Coronavirus

I had a look at the doc while NS was speaking:

So they're calling now Phase 0.

Next week we go to Phase 1 unless we go backwards next week - which includes

- meeting 1 other household outside socially distanced
- drive thru food not discouraged
- garden centres
- sitting outside in public spaces (>2m)

If we meet WHO criteria and things continue to improve, so basically that means TTI works and R is staying down consistently then we go to Phase 2:

- meeting >1 households outside and SD
- meeting 1 other household inside and SD
- pubs/restos can open outside spaces

Then at phase 3:

- meeting >1 households inside and SD
- pubs/restos inside and SD
- driving outside local area for exercise


Lots of other bits'n'bobs, those were the bits I remember.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Firstly you’ve jumped straight in and taken a couple of short posts as being your evidence.

Everyone has a right to question the govt, if you are OK with being a subversive member of society and you just want to nod and agree with everything that’s you prerogative.

By not putting any dates leaves a huge question mark for people with businesses who are trying to plan for a return to trade. There should be dates that people can work towards, people will understand the caveats.

I’ve skimmed read the full PDF from Scot.gov. A lot of positives in there and it is very credible.

I’m still sure that we’ll sail through the various phases. However I am concerned that there is not even a mention of a ‘phase 5’ which is a return to normal.

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Not sure you have used the word ‘subversive’ correctly here.

Also there is no phase 5 “return to normal” because presumably normality won’t be a phase.

Does the meeting another household mean you can in your garden?

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Nicola uses the ‘new normal’ cliche.

Surely now is the time to start making this phrase an actual arrestable offence.

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She's not really a cliche-ridden speaker. I think she's using it to damp down the "when are we getting back to normal?" clamour without saying "not now, not ever, never" which would be perceived as a tad negative.

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Originally Posted by I'm_cabbaged

Does the meeting another household mean you can in your garden?

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Yep. :agree:

What phase do the barbers open?

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

What phase do the barbers open?

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Opened weeks ago in my house....didnt go well.

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Originally Posted by I'm_cabbaged

Does the meeting another household mean you can in your garden?

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This is very good news. Although, I have a toddler who isn't great a social distancing so I really wish we had a better idea how much they transmit the virus or not.

What are parents thoughts on meeting up with another family who also has a toddler?

The Scottish Government website is up and running again.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Not sure you have used the word ‘subversive’ correctly here.

Also there is no phase 5 “return to normal” because presumably normality won’t be a phase.

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Probably not..council scheme education.

The amount of people that just want to accept that social distancing, and all that it entails, is here forever astounds me.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Probably not..council scheme education.

The amount of people that just want to accept that social distancing and all that entails is here forever astounds me.

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Hyperbole doesn’t really help the debate much, people just have different levels of caution depending on their personal circumstances.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Probably not..council scheme education.

The amount of people that just want to accept that social distancing and all that entails is here forever astounds me.

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Beeb's Douglas Fraser:

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Schools back from 11 August, under agreed plan.
Asked by @willie_rennie, FM says @scotgov would like to align that with Phase 4 re-opening of business, but that depends on health stats: says Aug 11 date ONLY applies to schools.

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

What phase do the barbers open?

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Originally Posted by Lee Marvin

This is very good news. Although, I have a toddler who isn't great a social distancing so I really wish we had a better idea how much they transmit the virus or not.

What are parents thoughts on meeting up with another family who also has a toddler?

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As **** as it is, I wouldn’t yet. I’ve got a walking 1 year old and it’ll be hardness enough isolating her when granny comes to visit.

Just been advised by my Head Teacher that we are losing a weeks annual leave to help manage Covid. Returning a week early on 11th August.

We’ve a holiday booked leaving on the 10th.

Scotgov doc - https://www.gov.scot/binaries/conten...eDownload=true

Back up in case their website crashes:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y3c...MBAyQL7X7/view

What phase would you think youth football training could return? From my optimistic reading it’s phase two? Anyone see anything different?


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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Surely they have a view as to the minimum period of time that they want to measure the different phases?

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Views can be irritatingly inaccurate. What happens if they say say for example "Airlines will be allowed to operate from the 1st of July" and everyone rushes out and books 2 weeks in Florida only to be told a little closer to the date that the R is on the rise again and there will be no flights. I'm happy to stick to a plan with a phased opening depending on the situation. It might not be ideal but it's the plan most likely to work. If you set dates, there's a high chance that they won't be met or that corners are cut trying to keep to targets.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Views can be irritatingly inaccurate. What happens if they say say for example "Airlines will be allowed to operate from the 1st of July" and everyone rushes out and books 2 weeks in Florida only to be told a little closer to the date that the R is on the rise again and there will be no flights. I'm happy to stick to a plan with a phased opening depending on the situation. It might not be ideal but it's the plan most likely to work. If you set dates, there's a high chance that they won't be met or that corners are cut trying to keep to targets.

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It seems fairly straight forward. Once test and protect is up and running by next Thursday the we will work through the phases in 3 week blocks so long as the r number does not drift above 1. If it does then there will be a delay in moving to the next phase.


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Does the 5 mile limit in the "Getting around" section apply to seeing friends and family? :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

What phase would you think youth football training could return? From my optimistic reading it’s phase two? Anyone see anything different?


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Just spoke to my club, and they're hoping phase two with social distancing

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

Does the 5 mile limit in the "Getting around" section apply to seeing friends and family? :dunno:

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No it's for travelling for leisure and recreational activities. There's a full separate section on seeing friends and family.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Just spoke to my club, and they're hoping phase two with social distancing

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That’s what I’m thinking. Even getting the boys out for some running in the park together but apart would be good for them. They’ll need it after three months sitting on their Xbox.


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The 'blended learning' plan for schools sounds like a logistical nightmare for working parents. How are we supposed to get back to work if our kids are only in school part time? And if you have kids in different years is there any way of ensuring their 'in school' days tally? You could end up with one or more kids at home every day of the week.

I can't see how this plan can work from what I've read so far.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

No it's for travelling for leisure and recreational activities. There's a full separate section on seeing friends and family.

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That's the way I initially read it too. :agree:

But a friend read it the other way and I can see how it complicates matters a little.

I've just had a read through some of the detail and it all looks quite promising. Pubs and restaurant potentially reopening in some capacity in phase 2 is good news and it looks like there is a degree of flexibility across the board.

I've been pretty critical about the length of time it has taken for this to be communicated but I'm fairly pleased with what has now been said. It's a plan that covers a lot of areas and seems to have, on the face of it, sound reasoning for each phase.

Of course the proof of the pudding and all that but it doesn't seem totally unrealistic to hope for something of a 'normal' social life to be back in place by late summer or early autumn.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Watching her statement, we are very lucky that it is her in charge in Scotland rather than Jackson Carlaw, Richard Leonard or the other guy.
Carlaw fumbling about for a question is actually quite funny.


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Thought Carlaws question re some business organisations are complaining they haven't been consulted was pretty poor. The answer was pretty much yes we have.

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

I watched her statement in full and it struck me as a straightforward, concise and clear speech.

None of the Boris bluster, rhetoric and (dare I say it) lies from the week before.

I'm sure the published details will now be fully scrutinised as they should be.

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Agree thought it was eminently sensible and considered and provides a positive way to go forward.

Looks like I’ll be able to go back to work (childminder) in phase 1 which I’m pleased about. I won’t get all my kids back straight away but it’s a start back to some kind of normality.