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I assume what will happen is Hearts will say "This is for our five guys who left in the summer" and the SPFL will just tell them it doesn't count if it wasn't done at the same time. Otherwise it really is just Hearts taking the piss (and losing that last ounce of sympathy anyone else had for them)
Apparently money from Adam King transfer will fund any players coming in. There would be uproar if those in charge of the game allowed it to happen.
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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
They've already said that there's no risk of them escaping the drop so why the need for 5 players? They've already said that they don't have enough money to finish the season, so are the extra 5 all going to play for free? They're also looking to replace staff that they made redundant!
Hearts class!
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Absolutely no chance of this happening, zilch. Just makes them even more of a laughing stock for trying. They have a serious determination to ignore rules and stick the finger up to Scottish football when all it's going to do is piss people off. Just liquidate the fuds and do everyone a favour.
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Originally Posted by Heisenberg
A Yam told you that, didn't he?
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Originally Posted by The Governor
You're probably right.
Don't believe anything you read on the STV website, the times they have got things wrong are legion. There is no way they could get away with this, remember each application is reviewed on a case by case basis.
I posted this the other day but they are not interested in the League as they know they are all but down. They want players in for the LC semi v ICT. It's a simple as that.
I fear that if and it's a very big IF, this is allowed to happen then the SPFL better prepare themselves for one hell if a legal battle,
Also makes a mockery of the so called rules.
I for one will be very surprised if this is allowed to happen.
With Doncaster in charge? The man who agreed to Sevco's transfer embargo starting AFTER the window shut. Yeah he'll stand firm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Doncaster was CEO of the SPL at the time, what would he have had to do with an embargo on an SFL3 team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Yes/no? ....if only!Quote:
Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
Here's who the legalese was broken down for me by a lawyer type.
If a team loses a player through injury or they otherwise decide to leave (not accepting reduced wages etc) then the team in question can apply to have the squad position back filled. Part of the criteria is that there's no existing player in the remaining squad that can fill the position (why goalkeepers get mentioned I guess), the other point to note is that you can't "just get rid of someone" to create a gap, if that was taken to an extreme the Yams could bump all TWENTY FIVE of their 1st team squad and bring 25 in.
So short answer I suppose is "yes"
STV journo on twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Have you always been the cheery, optimistic sort or has it taken years of practice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Or is this a case of the SPFL/Doncaster saying yip you can put each individual case forward but guess what
Get it roond ye.
It's not even his call.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Governor
A Yam STV journo :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
One in one out isn't an embargo, it's wheeling and dealing.
I do hope this is a sign they haven't learnt their lesson and start their promotion push completely bankrupt again.
In Aldo we trustQuote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
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Originally Posted by PatHead
Basically what I was saying. Doncaster seems to be a convenient scapegoat for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
STV think VAT is deducted from wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
It's been a while since I last said that... was getting anxious. :cb
The only thing I would ask is why Doncaster has suddenly changed his story about why they were allowed to sign Wilson in the summer.
The timing seems a bit too convenient and would give rise to them saying that they used those rules once and would only be allowing Hertz to do what they've done already.
Cheating yams.Trying to sign ratchit and Driver ONLY to get to the league cup final.
Not for the glory....but for the money.Cheatin yams
Rudi Skacel - Third rate euro trash who only plays when the opposing team happen to be hibs. Hasn't played for over 6 months and is coming to the end of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Andy Driver - :faf:
Escape relegation from the championship next season maybe
I wouldnae worry about it bud. The semi in on Feb 2nd. They would have to be signed sometime in January which is not going to happen.
People need to get stop getting worked up. The one in, one out will be from now and not when they released players. If that was the case every club in the world would go into administration then release your players, knowing you could re-sign them again x amount of months later. Also, they have to apply which is a rule every team can do in their current circumstances. The SFA will see that have over 24 players available to play on a weekly basis so they wont get to sign anyone IMO. The only way their application would be accepted as if they sold their keeper and had to sign an emergency replacement.
they wont be able to sign until at least feb 1st - same weekend as the cup semi , and both need international clearance so wouldnt expect to see either to be in the team for it
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Originally Posted by CB_NO3
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Originally Posted by CB_NO3
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the article says theyre tryin to get 5 in to replace the 5 players they released last june :rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by CB_NO3
Are they entitled to make at least one signing since they have already allowed Adam King to join Swansea?
They won't be signing either of those two has beens. Panic over :rolleyes:
Some of you lot are worse than the posters on Sickbag.
Here's the facts:
- The Yams are still under embargo. Absolutely nothing has changed on that front since the start of the season
- The "One In, One Out" rule is at the discretion of the SPFL. No transfers have been authorised at this stage
- This rule does not give Hearts free reign to boot as many players as they want and sign whoever they please. Talk of 5 players is utter pie in the sky. Each one will
- If Hearts are allowed to sign players they will need to be on the same or lower wages.
- Hearts are still 20 points behind Ross County with only 16 games left to play. Ross County still have a game in hand
- Signing Skacel and Driver won't change #5. The 2 of them have scored a total of 5 goals between them since they played us in that Final
- BDO still don't have any of the shares they need to complete a sale and money is running out.
- They are all still a bunch of cheating, charity robbing, paedo employing, puddle drink morons.
There. Now if you're still running around like this :panic:because you bought everything the media have told you since teatime then give yourself a good slap across the face and GET A GRIP FFS!
Pleasing 😄Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Sorry but the last thing they need is Rudi and Driver :faf:
They'd need to sign 11 players to make any difference, they're rank rotten.
I say let them sign 'king' Rudi, so he can play his customary game against us (the only time a season he tries) and we will still pump them on the 29th.
If the King transfer goes through that would, per the STV logic, allow them 6 players in as King wasn't in the 5 "out " mentioned earlier. So 2 STV sources contradicting themselves, Scottish journalism at its finest again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Nope, but they are entitled to apply as every article has said. Am 99% sure they we would be refused the chance to sign someone as they have adequate cover so far with 24 senior players available. You only need to pick 11 to be able to fulfil a fixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfc rd
Good man Bajillions! I do worry about some of our fellow posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
I missed a fact out and it's probably the most important of them all.
As of today Hearts have only submitteda request to sign ONE player. This happened on Friday. The SPFL board haven't considered it yet because they are waiting on a copy of the contract to confirm it's the same or lower terms.
I'm glad this thread has come back to some sense of reality. They'll no get to sign anyone apart from a keeper if McDonald is sold. It is that simple. Everything else is the MSM grasping at straws hoping to make a story where there's no one. Bajillions is correct in what he's said. Relax and watch them implode and then get relegated, with the same squad they have now.
the same as or lower terms than who though??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
The player they claim he's replacing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nribs
cleared that up then cheers :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
:agree:beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Let them sign who they want now. They are gone, they need to win 7 more games than the team above them. Not going to happen. The quicker they get out of admin, the quicker they start racking up the debt, and the fun starts all over again. They never learn- they are already talking about how they are going to scoosh the championship with all their new players-which will be bought with cash they don't have. Next year is going to be even better watching them - kids in a sweetie shop.
And I'm sick of listening to them going on about the injustice of it all - just let them sign some players. One less excuse they can use to avoid the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomeancity
That's crystal clear .:top marksBut can I just chech how many pies in the sky they might be allowed ? :aok::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Aye, lets just dae away with the rules so the next team that does it can come along and say, aye well you let them away with it. They are suffering the consequences of their own actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomeancity
Why does Doncaster keep casting up the Danny Wilson signing and relating it to the current situation? They were not in Administration when Wilson came in this time last year. Surely that makes it a completely different situation?!
A transfer embargo should mean just that. It shouldn't be one in one out. That's absolute nonsense. We're having to do one in one out, as most teams living within their means have to at this time of year. They shouldn't be given the same conditions as other teams whilst in Administration.
To be honest I'm past caring about the right and wrongs of the footballing side of the rules. They are gone so it makes no difference. What bugs me is how little it is mentioned that people lost their jobs in all this and businesses haven't been paid. Yet they think it's ok to spend money on players - if only the football rules would allow it. Imagine your a small business having to write off say £2k, then you hear they are looking to sign a player and pay him this a week!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
I care about the rules, cheats need tae pay the penalty. I think the team they are playing in the cup semi-final might care too about them being allowed tae strengthen their team, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomeancity
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25710173
The quote from Doncaster suggests that they have already registered 10 players last summer using the one out one in rule. (If I am reading this correctly). With this in mind surely they can only apply to replace players who leave going forward.
There is no mention in the rules that the player coming in must be on less than the player going out. I doubt the administrator would sanction a considerable increase in wages with the risk if them running out if money.
Beautifully put as per usual. I'd like to folk concentrate more on the second last point. Hearts and the media will be forced to catch up with that one soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Wilson was only supposed to be on loan until the end of last season but he signed for hearts after they went into administration. The reason they allowed it was because he was still on hearts books so there was no need for him to register with hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NadeAteMyLunch!
I think Doncaster is trying to draw comparisons because although hearts weren't in admin this time last year they had an embargo in place which meant they could only sign under 21's on a 1 out 1 in basis. There's still no comparison with that situation and the current one though. Hearts are looking to register players such as Skacel and Driver when they're in admin, which is why this will NOT happen. The desperation is laughable, all they're doing is making bigger fools of themselves and setting their idiot fans up for more disappointment.
Fair point re cup semi. But I'm not being too serious about them signing players. Just trying to get across that they are so far behind that it makes no difference. But agree the rules are the rules and they shouldn't be allowed - and I'm confident they won't be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
You have to admit though that it in their complete delusion it is giving them a cause(albeit unjustified) that they can say they are being unfairly treated and if they could sign players they would have survived
Can picture BDOs pitch to SPFL- "As things stand we don't have enough money to see out the season. We desperately need to sell a couple of players to raise cash so if we can sell Wilson and Adam King can we replace them with Driver and Big Nose. The added benefit of this is that the muppet supporters will turn up in their thousands helping us through to the end of the season."
Unfortunately I can see SPFL falling for it. The only good news is they are both boggin.
"There is huge sympathy for the position that Hearts players, supporters and indeed administrators find themselves in". WTF. The players are getting paid to play football(stop laughing at the back). Most of us dreamed of that opportunity. It could be worse FFS!! The fans?? **** off. They've had 6 tough months to watch-which incidentally has still included two wins against Aberdeen, two derby wins, two cup wins on pens and a forthcoming semi final. They've had 30 years of watching players on the park that they couldn't afford. 10 years of Romanov, winning cups, derby wins, Europe etc and we should have sympathy as a result of 6 poor months!! **** off!! Administrators?? Have I read that right? Sympathy for guys getting paid £500 per hour for doing their job. Incredible
I also see in that report that Jackson has blamed Walkers injury on playing too many games. A broken foot due to playing too many games. Not because of a tackle or landing awkwardly. Because of playing too many games. I've said this once or twice before but seriously, **** off!!!
The fuds can say what they like, naebody except them will give a ****. If they hadnae broken the rules and cheated for years they would have survived, that's the real facts, their delusions mean **** all. They did and now they're getting their comeuppance. Tae quote any number of roasters on keechboak, "pleasing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomeancity
Yep. Hopefully this pain is just a small downpayment on the justified splatterings yet to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
I wish I'd kept a list of all the lying, cheating and stealing hearts have done since romanov took over. An endless amount of shameless, deceitful, scaremongering propaganda
I feel sorry for the bairns getting dragged along to games and being forced to support that horrible club
He was part of the infamous '5 way agreement' on Sevco's negotiations to re-enter league which included the deferred transfer embargo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Governor
You better ****ing believe this Hearts **** is making me mad:grr::grr::grr: they just won't take their punishment aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhh:devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Bajillions do clubs register their entire squad and squad numbers with the SPFL at the start of the season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
If so any one in one out would surely only involve this squad and not last seasons squad which entered administration in June in the close season wouldn't it?
If they are allowed to replace the likes of Sutton who was made redundant and Zaliukas and Driver who were released from their contracts early, technically (though obviously unlikely in this case) they could be allowed to sign players on the ridiculous salaries that got Hearts into administration in the first place. It's a nonsense.
The SPFL should not have such fudges in their rules. An embargo should be an embargo and that's it.
I think the close season is a grey area to the SPFL as it is neither deemed as this season or last season. Since Hearts have already made the request without anyone leaving yet I'm guessing those who have already left can be counted against the "one out".Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
I don't think BDO are stupid enough to sign someone on a wage that would cause the money to run out faster than it already is. Bryan Jackson will know that one player is not going to generate enough income to justify his wage and something like £7k a week is a big chunk of their wage budget.
We are probably looking at Skacel signing a deal that he see's him play for very little money, if any at all. I've been told he wants to retire playing for Hearts and that the Alloa deal was just a handy way of keeping him occupied until such times as Hearts could sign him. As (their) luck would have it they may be able to do it now. I haven't been able to confirm who the player is though, I'm basing my theory purely on the fact he was at the Hearts game on Saturday when Alloa were also playing.
Ultimately then if they are allowed to sign players in this fashion then the embargo is meaningless. What is the point of it because all clubs entering administration lose players?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
One in one out I believe Ronnie :na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
If King is staying at the yams on a loan basis,how can he be replaced if he is still there:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hfc rd
Wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of additional sponsorship behind the scenes to embellish the wages of the. New signings.Quote:
Originally Posted by gorgie greens
FFS man, dinnae sit on the fence, say what you mean. :cbQuote:
Originally Posted by NadeAteMyLunch!
Surely if they sell him, then get him back on loan, that is one out one in already?Quote:
Originally Posted by gorgie greens
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...thern-3020099?
And ..... we're off !
Think I'm just going to ignore all media on this situation for a few weeks, it's really starting to get on my nerves. Hearts are a disgrace, fed up listening to them whining and moaning and then having the audacity to say they're taking everything on the chin. They are an embarrassment to themselves and football in general.
Guaranteed if Satchel gets a deal his squad number will be sooooo predictable...
Hibs at points this season have had no recognised full backs fit, and we were down to one senior striker for a while when heff got injured. We made do and played players out of position and brought in youth players. The yams should be expected to do the same.
I am sick of hearing how tight their squad is. They're talking about replacing a player that's hardly featured for them-they can't be that hard up.
Why are their players getting burned out but other team's youngsters aren't? Or youth players have played a huge number of games this season between the under 20 league and the East of Scotland league but they're not falling like flies. This burnt out pish is ridiculous and should be challenged.
They have enough players on their books to field a team. It might be a terrible team but that's what years and years of financial mismanagement brings you.
And all this guff about taking their punishment and not complaining... Deary me! Just because your sentence starts with "we're not complaining but, " doesn't make what follows any less of a complaint.
Yams. Go **** yourselves.
Southern said: “With everything that’s happened post-administration we’ve taken our medicine.
“We’ve not complained, we’ve not moaned, we’ve just carried on going."
Aye, OK.
'We've not complained, we've not moaned, we've just carried on going'
David Southern
14/1/14
“We’ve not complained, we’ve not moaned, we’ve just carried on going."Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Urgghhh...
Given his track record why would anyone believe anything that David Southern says?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
I don't understand how they can say that bringing in new players now is not going to harm individual teams - surely any point they take off any other team in the league (or any goal they score) could affect their final standing in the league which in turn could affect European places/income?
I genuinely don't get why the media are siding with hearts so strongly on this, it's bizarre. Their players are not at risk of a burnout, they are professionals and so should be fit. The only problem for them is that they are gash. They celebrated the signing embargo over a fine, why do they continue to moan and yet still say they are not moaning but "taking their medicine"... This is a joke and our media needs to actually address it!
As I posted yesterday, the problem is that the medicine they've taken clearly hasn't worked so far. They're like a smack addict desperate for one last hit. Just one more score Rents, then they'll stop, promise...
No, they need a lot more medicine. It should be force fed them until they learn some humility, contrition and most importantly, fiscal prudence.
It's a complete farce They have now had more media exposure about an application that Doncaster says they were never entitled to make so it wasn't even heard yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Onion
for Southern to say we haven't complained and we haven't moaned is hey another rewriting of the situation.They have a systematic campaign which as this article now reveals is about putting the threat ,sorry marker down that they might not at some point in the future be able to field a team to lplay out fixtures .So now they are using Blackmail Tactics.
lLocke is allegedly down to paper thin squad.. A bit like all their excuses Paper Thin ,expect they are now filling the papers .agree with last Poster I am taking some time out from reading about this until substantive decision is made at a future meeting as this bunch of cheats just try to go on cheating and Breaking Hearts with there Paper Thin pleas for Clemency They should play the Clash song Rudi can't Fail .The Jambo fans were all over him getting his autograph on Saturday or maybe that was them signing more pledges to pay his non wages . The only bit of the article I agreed with was when he said it will make no difference we are doomed Ok admit I am tKing some poetic license with is this bit but the word Doomed has a certain Finality to it:na na: And
DOOMSDAY Will be upon them soon enough.:stirrer::pray::chop::bye:
Ah self sufficient Southern.
The brass-esd of brass necks down Gorgie way and that's saying something. Only Vlad riding in on a sub claiming he's came to save the club could top Southerns downright cheek to stay in his job.
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Sent from my iphone
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Originally Posted by WeeWendy
Yep, and with 11 fixtures before the split some teams will play them home and some at the PBS. Also if the " strengthening" is not allowed before 1st February, St Johnston , St Mirren and Ross County won't have to play the New Hearts at all before the split.
Not an even playing field Mr Southern.
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Originally Posted by Onion
This clown told the football world that Hearts were self sufficient, only days before they went into administration.
If he told me it was Tuesday i'd check the calendar.
Guys an erse.
But he appears to get away with it time after time.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Do they call him "Mr Southern" on Kickback? I bet they do.
The Media side with whatever will sell papers. "Hearts told to abide by rules they agreed to" isn't much of a story, so they build a story with the aid of ridiculous quotes from the likes of Southern, they hint at Skachel coming back and the punters either get excited or angry; either way they sell a few more papers. That's all they know and I think that they are adding to the dispointment comming Hearts way when they get told to stop making idiots of themselves with appeals.Quote:
Originally Posted by QMU-1875
In any case - does anyone remember the smugness when they added Wilson to the wage bill using a loophole so that they could eh, avoid relegation?
:tee hee:
:top marks This.Quote:
Originally Posted by bawheid
The Yams are incapable of helping themselves, so it is up the rest of us (incl the SPFL) to explain to these children how a normal club and business should behave. This is little different to Sevco when the Huns, the media and SFA were incapable to doing the right thing, it was the fans who showed them the way.
IMHO the risk the Yams are running now is that all this bleating is more likely to fire up their SPFL opponents when they come to play them. Had they just gone about their business and "taken their medicine", they may have built a little sympathy for their plight from some other clubs. Instead, expect hard matches and relentless humpings on their way to Div 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mellow Hibee
Had another chat with my lawyer matey (he's worked on contracts with the SPL in the dim distant past so has a fair key decent view of things (notwithstanding an SPFL fudge factor being added of course))
He's said
1) Yams lose a player (injury/rejected contract - redundancy or selling isn't in scope as that's self inflicted and employment law impacts the redundancy element)
2) Yams request 1 out 1 in dispensation
3) Authorities review remaining registered player pool
4) if there is someone who can cover the lost position then application is rejected (being sh*te in the position isn't a reason to allow a registration)
Bryan also said 2) cannot come before 1) .... Deemed self inflicted
There is NO provision to force the replacement to be cheaper (it was expected pressures of admin would cover that)
One last thing, he's not an active fan but when pushed he used to say he was a Jambo (more of an egg chaser these days)!
This is spot on. They were exactly like an addict in recovery at first. "We've made some mistakes. It's our own fault. We have to look at ourselves and deal with the consequences and get ourselves back on our feet."Quote:
Originally Posted by bawheid
Trouble is it has been worse than they thought it was going to be and being "sober" is not as easy to handle as they thought. I suspect Southern et al plus most of the fans thought it would be a tough season but they had some of the best young players in Scotland, a loyal and passionate support and their united spirit and the fearless play of the kids would see the 15 points clawed back in no time and their would be a team in the league worse than them over 38 games and even if, worse case scenario, they were in the play off the fact that they are such a big club meant they would win it.
They probably even thought that even if they had a bad first half of the season, the finances would all be sorted and they would be able to sign some big players in January to get them firing through the second half of the season.
The reality has been bleak. They are now in a position where they are finding the sheer embarrassment of geting beat every week too hard to take. This wasn't supposed to happen. This wasn't going to happen. But it has so they are now desparately rolling the dice just to see if they can pull out all the stops to at least go down without losing almost every week. They want to sign a few "legends" so that the crowds in the remaining weeks of the season don't drop to embarrassing levels. Not that they would report them correctly. If they get crowds of 6k it will still go down as 12,382. Trouble is they won't get the money that 12,382 fans bring in on match day and this will hamper their chances of getting out of admin and/or having a "fighting fund" for next seasons's "Championsip charge"
The fact that they are in a league cup semi has a lot to do with it too. They'll be thinking at least if they get relegated and get horsed every week in the league, they can go down with a cup and give it the old "even when the mighty, the famous HOMFC get relegated amdist all sorts of unfair handicaps, we still manage to win more cups than the Hobos".
All these latest rumblings suggest that there is a growing realism across in the dark side that the Administration process is going to rumble on for the foreseeable future.
It's death by a thousand cuts and no amount of sticking plaster solutions will resolve their problems.
It's a shame, a real shame for the poor wee lambs.
Heh heh.
That medicine is lower league football and they clearly do NOT intend on having to drop down at any costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
Lessons learned? NONE.
Those other clubs in similar situations in the past must be very angry.
Someone at Hearts clearly knows how to work the system. If it were Jackson then why didn't he do same for other clubs in the past?
Dirty, horrible cheating bassas.
Let's hope they drop down with all their golden nuggets on board. Revenge will then be VERY sweet!
Or maybe they are just going to cheat, lie and squirm their way out of the worse case scenario for them, beating ICT in the process on their way to a cup final. :thumbdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
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Aye, never heard them once right enough :faf: what a ****in' tool. You've missed out his middle name though, it'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
David 'self-sufficient' Southern
Just noticed too that if they do re-sign the desperados, then they will be allowed to play in cup semi as it's 2nd February, the day after the SFA embargo sanctions are lifted. You couldn't script it!
I so hope ICT and Yogi hump them at the Holy Ground :-)
Might see if I can get a ticket in the ICT end :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
Their starting to piss me off, I wish they would just **** of and die !