Shaun Maloney - Style of play

I'm guessing Newell got a knock after Wednesday? We really miss him when not in the side - easily our strongest midfielder when receiving the ball under pressure.

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Originally Posted by Nicho87

We have none, I repeat no character in the team.

We lack a McGinn, Cummings, Riordan, Boyle now.

Someone who was a bit different.

I think porteous has tried to do that but I’d rather he just concentrated on being a centre half.

Like our play it’s all just a bit bland and boring currently

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We let the one bit of character we had f*** off to the Middle East to be in a relegation battle with his new team.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

So JDH gets time but Maloney doesn’t. :aok:

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I wish folk would see that the majority of these players are not good enough, they let down Ross and they'll let down Maloney, it needs more than one window to sort out this team.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

He needs to be far more pragmatic and realise that these players simply aren’t good enough to play the way he wants.

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I think the majority of these players can play a good quick passing game.

What’s not so clear, is what exactly Maloney does want to do? I thought I understood the approach in the first few games. The last 2-3 games with the ponderous passing in our third…. It just seems confused and a bit bizarre. We don’t seem to have a clear idea how to move up the park collectively at any pace.

There is definitely a disconnect somewhere and he needs to fix it now.

In recent seasons we have lacked a player in midfield who can run the game. Until that’s sorted we’ll have games like today.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

I think the majority of these players can play a good quick passing game.

What’s not so clear, is what exactly Maloney does want to do? I thought I understood the approach in the first few games. The last 2-3 games with the ponderous passing in our third…. It just seems confused and a bit bizarre. We don’t seem to have a clear idea how to move up the park collectively at any pace.

There is definitely a disconnect somewhere and he needs to fix it now.

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This is where I am at. I saw a lot of good pressing in the first few games aswell, but it was absent midweek and sounds the same today too.

It's why I think it is harsh to specifically blame the players as a collective because it must be tricky to try an adapt to whatever it is they are being told to do. My worry is that this is too much too soon.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Oh for f*** sake, another expert who thinks he knows it all, Jack Ross had some horror shows at ER in his time as well, but you know that don’t you Underscore.

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🤣🤣👏🏻 its been bothering me for ages who he reminded me of!

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

I think the majority of these players can play a good quick passing game.

What’s not so clear, is what exactly Maloney does want to do? I thought I understood the approach in the first few games. The last 2-3 games with the ponderous passing in our third…. It just seems confused and a bit bizarre. We don’t seem to have a clear idea how to move up the park collectively at any pace.

There is definitely a disconnect somewhere and he needs to fix it now.

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You would think a journalist may ask what the actual plan and style is ? Rather than the usual cliche questions and answers.

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Originally Posted by Crab apple

I think Shaun needs to sign a quality experienced midfielder that can help to drive the team forward. With two days until the window shuts I've no idea who that might be though. If we stick with the current squad then the board are effectively writing off the rest of the season.

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Not a total disaster for the owners, whatever they paid for our club, our best player Martin Boyle, was there when they arrived and theyve recouped £3m whilst getting us to where we are today.

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I'm going to criticise the time we have chosen to appoint Maloney. 20th December. 5 days before Christmas and then we have been VERY lucky the winter break was moved forward, if the break hadn't been moved we could be 3-4 more games down the road, at least the break gave the squad time together on the training pitch, but you know what, it doesn't show one bit.

I've gone from scared to terrified in the last 7 hours.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

I'm going to criticise the time we have chosen to appoint Maloney. 20th December. 5 days before Christmas and then we have been VERY lucky the winter Break was moved forward, if the break hadn't been moved we could be 3-4 more games down the road, at least the break gave the squad time together on the training pitch, but you know what, it doesn't show one bit.

I've gone from scared to terrified in the last 7 hours.

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Feel exactly the same. We've regressed after the time Maloney has spent with them on the training ground.

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

I can see this too.. this new Hibs identity needs key players - it needs fans to be able to say right this is what we are trying to do. These are our key players and they will make us play well. John McGinn / Boyle etc these type of guys who got fans on their feet and brought the crowd together. Add in the quality they brought and they dragged us though games to do well more often than not.

Rotating players and random subs is something I would expect in pre-season. This isn’t an experiment. Maybe rotate Rocky if he’s tired after Motherwell but he comes on after 22 mins then surely he’s fine to start ?

We don’t have the right players for this system - we don’t have good enough players centrally for most systems (or wanting to finish 3rd) - we need to stop letting teams score goals against us.

The spine of the team needs sorted and this is a Jack Ross / Mathie moment (not signing a striker to compete with Nisbet and Doidge -that was even before he was injured - let alone after!!) if he doesn’t sign a decent CM by end of the transfer window the 2nd part of the season will see same frustrating results.

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Nailed it with this post - the teams needs 3 or 4 players who at each point in a game can ignite things, bring energy and a spark - whether that's a driving run, a series of tackles, or someone who commands and dictates - at present they all look at each other for inspiration yet none do it and 'pass the buck'. Totally agree with your post.

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell when he wasn't backed in the summer then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell when he wasn't backed in the summer then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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I certainly don’t think Maloney should be escaping any criticism. Far from it. I also don’t think folk should be declaring they are 100% Maloney out after he’s been in charge for six games either.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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30 Dec 2020 Hibs 0 Ross C 2
2nd Jan 2021 Hibs 0 Livi 3
27th Feb 2021 Hibs 0 Motherwell 2
16th Oct 2021 Hibs 0 Dundee U 3

All horrendous terrible defeats at home by your beloved Jack Ross.

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Originally Posted by Mutu

I'm guessing Newell got a knock after Wednesday? We really miss him when not in the side - easily our strongest midfielder when receiving the ball under pressure.

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Maybe he's being sold?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I certainly don’t think Maloney should be escaping any criticism. Far from it. I also don’t think folk should be declaring they are 100% Maloney out after he’s been in charge for six games either.

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I think alot of the criticism stems from whether you were a disappointed Jack Ross fan.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Too much sentiment at the club and not enough zeal to succeed SH - fans fall into that 'romance' - but top sport and success is lethal and has to be cut-throat.

I was questioned by a poster about a player's injury - I know for a fact (and you will better than me) that the likes of Derek and Garry played whilst carrying knocks and niggles - they were true competitors - I'm not convinced we've rid ourselves of players who just don't fancy it. I think we have 4 or 5 in the squad who play on injuries.

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They were always ready to go next match if they picked up niggles, I know for sure about one that he would be sent home with stuff that would help with getting him through the next game, can’t even remember him being out for any length of time with injury, the two of them never wanted to be out the team, they were trying to hard to win the bets at the end of the season. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I certainly don’t think Maloney should be escaping any criticism. Far from it. I also don’t think folk should be declaring they are 100% Maloney out after he’s been in charge for six games either.

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In fairness I haven’t seen many of any wanting him sacked this early I’ve seen plenty frustrated and a bit despondent based on what they have seen so far which for me is understandable.

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Originally Posted by J-C

30 Dec 2020 Hibs 0 Ross C 2
2nd Jan 2021 Hibs 0 Livi 3
27th Feb 2021 Hibs 0 Motherwell 2
16th Oct 2021 Hibs 0 Dundee U 3

All horrendous terrible defeats at home by your beloved Jack Ross.

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Was that not in between the best away run in our history?

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

I'm fully behind him, as I am every manager at Hibs. Me being behind him doesn't mean we didn't just beat Livi today.

Folk like me :faf: I very rarely slag the team on here. Like, very rarely. Don't embarrass yourself further by continuing this patter.

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You have done nothing but slate him.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Admit it, you've had a few and you're posting utter garbage. I back all Hibs managers from the day they join. I desperately want us to win every game. Get yourself to bed.

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I don’t drink, but I will continue to pull you up on the garbage you are spouting, from my bed.

What’s our next step Pep.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Maloney deserves the criticism. If we can hound Jack Ross out after a 8/9 game bad spell when he wasn't backed in the summer then Maloney can get criticism for being schooled at home by bloody Livingston. After the Cove performance and not being able to produce a shot between the sticks at Motherwell after two weeks working with his players then he needs to take it imo. The bar has been set punting our best manager in many years.

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Maloney isn’t immune from criticism, but are you willing to acknowledge its not a like for like comparison. Jack Ross had numerous transfer windows and had his own squad. He was sacked two years into the job. Maloney hasn’t got everything correct but he’s 6 games and less than one full transfer window into the job having inherited all the problems that got Ross sacked.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Was that not in between the best away run in our history?

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I really don't care what games he already won, you want Maloney out after 6 bloody games, playing with the same pish players that got Ross sacked, these are the same players that turned in those horrendous home defeats. Instead of sitting wanking over a photo of Jack Ross, grow a pair and get behind the new manager, at least until he gets his own squad of players in, if after that and the team is still pish, then have a go at him.

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

I just don't think the players he currently has at his disposal are capable of playing in the system he wants to play.

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I think that is fair to say, but players can adapt to different styles but as I keep saying it will not happen overnight we need to give coaching team and players time.

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

For the same reasons that got Ross the sack. We were a one man team and had no midfield. That is still the case but we’ve lost the player that papered over the many cracks we see now.

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The midfield wasn't a problem at the start of the season, newell and jdh in front of the back with magennis ahead and we were flying. Fans were all talking about them being the best we have had for years. Losing magennis really has had such a huge impact.

Today showed that newell should be the first name on the teamsheet at the moment. If maloney is going to stick with this sh*t 343 system then he needs to get magennis fit or sign another like him, although im not hopeful of getting someone in that is suitable given our recruitment team think mitchell and henderson are worth signing.

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Originally Posted by J-C

I really don't care what games he already won, you want Maloney out after 6 bloody games, playing with the same pish players that got Ross sacked, these are the same players that turned in those horrendous home defeats. Instead of sitting wanking over a photo of Jack Ross, grow a pair and get behind the new manager, at least until he gets his own squad of players in, if after that and the team is still pish, then have a go at him.

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Grow up. Jack Ross got massive criticism so why can't Maloney? Tell me what has improved? I'll wait.

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

We should have given Ross more time and better recruitment to turn things around. At least he had proven as a successful manager.

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Support seems to be sharply divided on this. I think Ross should have got until the end of the season but, if I'm honest, I didn't think he was great and I thought Hibs were a poor team despite the 3rd place last season. I think there is a lot of evidence just how poor the league was by the way Hearts have gone by everyone so easily. Also, St Johnstone are now being shown up as a poor team despite a 5th place finish and two Cup wins.

Surely Davidson has a better track record than Jack given his success and budget he was working to? Ross hasn't achieved anything out of the ordinary in his management career and was really struggling this year. He should maybe have got some time but we weren't going anywhere. Despite a good start in terms of points this season we weren't playing well and the signs of what was coming were there. I just don't think he's a proven success at all.

If we were going with track record for proven success, McInnes should have got the job. We've gone down another route and its a toss up whether it's a success or not. Personally, I think there are worrying signs and I don't rate Martinez (Maloney's mentor). That said there is a chance he could turn us round but he needs time. It looks unlikely he'll get it but I'm willing to be patient albeit I'm pretty sceptical.

The stewardship of the club though is very worrying and its amazing how quickly the rot set in after the 2017-18 success. Last year's 3rd place looks to be a blip which covered up the rot that was taking hold.




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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

In recent seasons we have lacked a player in midfield who can run the game. Until that’s sorted we’ll have games like today.

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Something Jack Ross didn’t address in 2 seasons, hopefully Sean Maloney can bring in that type of player who can drive us forward, they are hard to find in the January window though.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Something Jack Ross didn’t address in 2 seasons, hopefully Sean Maloney can bring in that type of player who can drive us forward, they are hard to find in the January window though.

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Kyle Magennis.