The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by Hibeesforever

There is still Mr Leslie Deans four figure investment to come...

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I reckon it'll be 4

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Originally Posted by Hibeesmad

The go fund me page has kicked off!

https://www.gofundme.com/f/only-hear...f+share-flow-1

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Just asked the missus how much we should contribute to this and she said "**** all".

She doesn't seem to understand the injustice of expelling Hearts from the league. I have tried to explain how unfair it is that "the 3rd biggest customer of the SPFL" who "habitually beat Hibs" (as stated by Danny Devito yesterday) are being picked on by all the other clubs, how they have championed league reconstruction for years and how good a business woman Ann Budge is, but she is adamant about not sending any money.

Going to make her read all Queen Ann's statements and listen to the Sportsound podcasts to educate her.

Hopefully our 4 figure sum will be on its way soon.

Donate donate donate how much money do they through down the drain . I suspect a large amount of fans will see this as a opportunity to change things get rid of AB and co much of this is down to her

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When Queen Anne does 100 laps of Tynecastle on her zimmer I might consider putting a quid in.

I don't have any maroon pounds to donate. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Anyone wishing to make a contribution to them :greengrin might want more information about the campaign. Some of them are wary of contributing to something not rubber stamped by the club so the originator (Saughton Jambo :greengrin) has posted:

I can understand everyone’s concerns regarding the crowd funding page that I have started. There was much talk about starting a crowd funding page and now I’ve actioned it to happen. Please believe me I am no scammer.

I have put my name, my reputation and ultimately my business to ensure that no skullduggery shall be afoot. I am known to management throughout the years by way of my continued financial support In good times and in bad. I will not stand idly by and see our club and chairman being ridiculed in the media by the biased west coast SMS.

I have also raised money on JKB by the David Hagen auction and given stuff to be auctioned on here to raise money for JKB. Dave McClaren our moderator, has been to my house to collect the very own Dave Vanacek jersey I sponsored last year to give away as an auction prize. I’m sure I am known by a few members on here and to call me a scammer is being cautious at best but so wide of the mark. Scammers do not put their own name and address to such fundraising and do you really think I’d want circa 8000 people banging on my door if there was a misappropriation of funds?

I have written to senior management to inform them of my actions and I have also contacted Stuart Wallace regarding this. I have invited both to become trustees of this fund.

Please see below my corespondance to the relevant people I have contacted
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Dear Ann,


Dear Ms Park and Mr Wallace,

I am writing to you to express my concerns as of, the decision made on Friday to veto the motion to carry forward any plans for league reconstruction. This was voted against by premiership member clubs before the mandate proposed,by our chairman, had been given a chance to circulate.

To say I, and many fellow supporter are furious, would be the understatement of the year. It’s not just the proposals put forward, it’s the whole manner in which the way events have unfolded and member clubs have been ‘leaned upon’ to favour and benefit certain member clubs within the governing body.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, I was encouraged by a former board member, probably by way of a Rally Cry, by virtue of, every fan needs to do their bit! I simply cannot and won’t see our proud and glorious club suffer severe financial hardship which has been forced upon us by this global pandemic. We have always played within the rules of sporting integrity and yet I feel it’s been to the detriment of our club that our chairman has been honest, upfront and forthright in her endeavours to find a fair solution for all clubs and not just ourselves. This has lead to her integrity being taken advantage of by the double dealing that has taken place.

Without rambling on about past events then the purpose of this email is to say, if we decide to challenge the outcome or the way in which the outcome was derived by underhand dealings then a lengthy civil action will be costly to say the least. Mr Leslie Deans expects the figure to be between £250k - £500k. This is a lawsuit we probably cant afford if we find ourselves in the championship, but to sit back and do nothing is wrong. Who says it’s wrong? The supporters and everyone who follows our great club.

Therefore I have set up a crowd funding page to raise funds for Heart of Midlothian Football Club. I have opened this with a £500 donation to start things moving. If we find ourselves cruelly demoted after the European deadline to action the finishing of our league campaign, then I would like to think we have a separate fighting fund in place now that would urge our board to take this forward to the court of session. It would help to sway our cause if the club knows that the decision will not financially harm us and the funds have been raised separately by loyal supporters to enable us to do this.

Ann I am personally reaching out to you as a valued friend to endorse this campaign as you know me well enough. As a person who holds our great club very close to my heart, then I have never wavered with my support on the terraces home and away, and also as a match partner who has for a number of years, continually put money into our coffers by player, match sponsor, hosting and advertising.

There has already been some ‘raised eyebrows’ online as to the integrity of my actions. I can assure you that my actions are the result of much debate and I have decided to Seize the Day. This is our Carpe Diem and the time to act is now.

I would be happy to invite you and Stuart Wallace as a trustee of this crowdfunding page. This is to ensure transparency when the subject of monies is to be dispersed. I am happy for the FOH to take complete control over this if it does not raise concerns over a matter of conflict. This is a separate fund to be used for legal action If it’s decided and should by no way undermine the great work the FOH and its members, myself included, subscribe to every month by raising funds out with the FOH.

I thank you for taking the time to read this and I would employ you to urge all fellow supporters to get behind this campaign to show the world that Heart of Midlothian Football Club will not take this decision lying down.

Nemo me impune lacessit

Always Hearts

Yours faithfully

Keith Drysdale

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Nemo me impune lacessit!!!

Is this guy for real???

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Originally Posted by Joe6-2

Nemo me impune lacessit!!!

Is this guy for real???

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Caveat emptor

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‘No skullduggery is afoot’ remember. Totes for realz.

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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson

Just asked the missus how much we should contribute to this and she said "**** all".

She doesn't seem to understand the injustice of expelling Hearts from the league. I have tried to explain how unfair it is that "the 3rd biggest customer of the SPFL" who "habitually beat Hibs" (as stated by Danny Devito yesterday) are being picked on by all the other clubs, how they have championed league reconstruction for years and how good a business woman Ann Budge is, but she is adamant about not sending any money.

Going to make her read all Queen Ann's statements and listen to the Sportsound podcasts to educate her.

Hopefully our 4 figure sum will be on its way soon.

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It will then be a definite ****all
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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

The problem with having an inquiry is that it would almost certainly find something that could have been done better - inquiries do that to justify their existence. For example, with hindsight the publication of the incomplete vote looks like bad management but they didn't know Dundee were going to try to sell their vote and had they not published when they did they would have suffered accusations of secrecy and corruption. Bear in mind it wasn't the SPFL that let it be known whose vote was missing, it was those who felt they had something to gain from it being in the public domain but that would be lost in an inquiry report. Any list of shortfalls, however minor, would have "Rangers" jumping all over it.

This whole conflict isn't just about the current crisis. It's about an attempted power grab by the new club who want to get to the stage of running the game the way their predecessor club did. Get rid of Doncaster and a "Rangers" place man will replace him - maybe that's why Donald Finlay has suddenly stuck his oar in. They leapt on a worldwide disaster to press their claim because that's the sort of people they are and they're fortunate that Hearts are in the position they're in because they now have one of the country's bigger clubs with a naïve and weak leader as allies. It's bad enough with Celtic running the show without Sevco joining them.

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Scottish football pretty much ignored Henry McLeish when he conducted a wide ranging review of the game.

IMO that was the best opportunity in recent years to address some of the issues holding the game back.

Currently, and correctly, the focus is on getting past this current crisis. Budge wasn’t even sitting in the right meeting, let alone coming up with any answers.

The point that Hearts seem to be missing in all of this is that there are no winners in the current situation. It doesnt matter what you do, some clubs will be worse off in that situation.

What Hearts are effectively saying is you clubs will all be worse off and we will be much worse off. If you can take an extra hit to help us out that would be appreciated.

In essence all clubs are acting with self interest and none more so than Hearts themselves. While it is correct that the season isnt finished and it may not be perfect, there is no alternative. When Deans was asked what should be done he was stumped and spluttered that wasnt his problem, just make sure Hearts are not penalised.

The oddity though are rangers. Their motive is all about their fans and celtic and how many titles . Outside of the Old Firm nobody cares. We have had a 2 team league at best since the early 80s and for much of that time its been a 1 team league. The financial structure ensures that no one else can easily break into that. Does anybody really care about 8/9/10 or 15 in a row.

We also need to remember we are now above 30,000 deaths and the economic implications on peoples jobs and finances are completely unknown. There are much bigger problems in the world right now that what league Hearts play in next season or if they get financial recompense for being bottom when the COVID 19 ,lockdown struck

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

Caveat emptor

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Leslie Deans motto

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Anyone wishing to make a contribution to them :greengrin might want more information about the campaign. Some of them are wary of contributing to something not rubber stamped by the club so the originator (Saughton Jambo :greengrin) has posted:

I can understand everyone’s concerns regarding the crowd funding page that I have started. There was much talk about starting a crowd funding page and now I’ve actioned it to happen. Please believe me I am no scammer.

I have put my name, my reputation and ultimately my business to ensure that no skullduggery shall be afoot. I am known to management throughout the years by way of my continued financial support In good times and in bad. I will not stand idly by and see our club and chairman being ridiculed in the media by the biased west coast SMS.

I have also raised money on JKB by the David Hagen auction and given stuff to be auctioned on here to raise money for JKB. Dave McClaren our moderator, has been to my house to collect the very own Dave Vanacek jersey I sponsored last year to give away as an auction prize. I’m sure I am known by a few members on here and to call me a scammer is being cautious at best but so wide of the mark. Scammers do not put their own name and address to such fundraising and do you really think I’d want circa 8000 people banging on my door if there was a misappropriation of funds?

I have written to senior management to inform them of my actions and I have also contacted Stuart Wallace regarding this. I have invited both to become trustees of this fund.

Please see below my corespondance to the relevant people I have contacted
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Dear Ann,


Dear Ms Park and Mr Wallace,

I am writing to you to express my concerns as of, the decision made on Friday to veto the motion to carry forward any plans for league reconstruction. This was voted against by premiership member clubs before the mandate proposed,by our chairman, had been given a chance to circulate.

To say I, and many fellow supporter are furious, would be the understatement of the year. It’s not just the proposals put forward, it’s the whole manner in which the way events have unfolded and member clubs have been ‘leaned upon’ to favour and benefit certain member clubs within the governing body.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, I was encouraged by a former board member, probably by way of a Rally Cry, by virtue of, every fan needs to do their bit! I simply cannot and won’t see our proud and glorious club suffer severe financial hardship which has been forced upon us by this global pandemic. We have always played within the rules of sporting integrity and yet I feel it’s been to the detriment of our club that our chairman has been honest, upfront and forthright in her endeavours to find a fair solution for all clubs and not just ourselves. This has lead to her integrity being taken advantage of by the double dealing that has taken place.

Without rambling on about past events then the purpose of this email is to say, if we decide to challenge the outcome or the way in which the outcome was derived by underhand dealings then a lengthy civil action will be costly to say the least. Mr Leslie Deans expects the figure to be between £250k - £500k. This is a lawsuit we probably cant afford if we find ourselves in the championship, but to sit back and do nothing is wrong. Who says it’s wrong? The supporters and everyone who follows our great club.

Therefore I have set up a crowd funding page to raise funds for Heart of Midlothian Football Club. I have opened this with a £500 donation to start things moving. If we find ourselves cruelly demoted after the European deadline to action the finishing of our league campaign, then I would like to think we have a separate fighting fund in place now that would urge our board to take this forward to the court of session. It would help to sway our cause if the club knows that the decision will not financially harm us and the funds have been raised separately by loyal supporters to enable us to do this.

Ann I am personally reaching out to you as a valued friend to endorse this campaign as you know me well enough. As a person who holds our great club very close to my heart, then I have never wavered with my support on the terraces home and away, and also as a match partner who has for a number of years, continually put money into our coffers by player, match sponsor, hosting and advertising.

There has already been some ‘raised eyebrows’ online as to the integrity of my actions. I can assure you that my actions are the result of much debate and I have decided to Seize the Day. This is our Carpe Diem and the time to act is now.

I would be happy to invite you and Stuart Wallace as a trustee of this crowdfunding page. This is to ensure transparency when the subject of monies is to be dispersed. I am happy for the FOH to take complete control over this if it does not raise concerns over a matter of conflict. This is a separate fund to be used for legal action If it’s decided and should by no way undermine the great work the FOH and its members, myself included, subscribe to every month by raising funds out with the FOH.

I thank you for taking the time to read this and I would employ you to urge all fellow supporters to get behind this campaign to show the world that Heart of Midlothian Football Club will not take this decision lying down.

Nemo me impune lacessit

Always Hearts

Yours faithfully

Keith Drysdale

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That bit in bold - dearie me.

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Originally Posted by Biggie

"Dave Vanacek jersey I sponsored last year to give away as an auction prize" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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I can't believe he used that line as evidence of not being a scammer. :greengrin

If the SPFL do not take action against the teams spouting off for bringing the game into disrepute then the games a bogey imho.

It’ll be a free for all with teams saying and going what they want knowing there will be no consequences.

Let’s hope once this all settles a bit that sanctions are brought against those teams responsible.


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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

Can you seek surety of costs in Scotland before the action proceeds?

They do have a history of non payment of debts and liabilities so the court and defendants would be wise to see the money first.

Maybe a wee charge over Tynecastle, or a large deposit from thin Dean's character will take care of it?


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Not as far as I am aware. They would likely want a QC to raise action given the value of the claim. That will also mean they have to instruct a firm of solicitors so both sets of costs. Generally, large upfront fees will be paid at the point of instruction. The court costs are then awarded to the successful party but they will still not cover the winning parties full costs.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

If the SPFL do not take action against the teams spouting off for bringing the game into disrepute then the games a bogey imho.

It’ll be a free for all with teams saying and going what they want knowing there will be no consequences.

Let’s hope once this all settles a bit that sanctions are brought against those teams responsible.


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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Jdawg

Not as far as I am aware. They would likely want a QC to raise action given the value of the claim. That will also mean they have to instruct a firm of solicitors so both sets of costs. Generally, large upfront fees will be paid at the point of instruction. The court costs are then awarded to the successful party but they will still not cover the winning parties full costs.

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Even if you win the court does not always award costs. In many cases one side or the other will also apply at an early stage that the other side lodge a bond with the court to cover their costs should they lise ( to prove tgey can afford to defend the case come what may) and in many instances this results in many actions being deserted. I can just see Budge being asked to "pony up" £500k up front from no reserves and walking away to the Championship.

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Originally Posted by Jdawg

Not as far as I am aware. They would likely want a QC to raise action given the value of the claim. That will also mean they have to instruct a firm of solicitors so both sets of costs. Generally, large upfront fees will be paid at the point of instruction. The court costs are then awarded to the successful party but they will still not cover the winning parties full costs.

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What I'd like to see them be forced to do is prove it's not a vexatious action and that they can and will meet the defendant's reasonable estimated cost if they lose.

Helps focus the mind.

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Here’s another snippet I have taken from the latest statement


“We must also stop hiding behind what the current rules say and be prepared to take a pragmatic, fleet-of-foot approach to dealing with change”

Why should we do that Mrs Budge? Rules are there for a reason and they are also there to protect everyone associated with the game. If we didn’t have rules people could do what they wanted without consequences!

So you don’t want to abide by the rules because it doesn’t suit and you are doing all this because of fairness and sporting integrity.

Fairness would be you taking your medicine and accepting you will be relegated.

Fairness would be you paying your way including all the local businesses and charities you bumped in the past.

Sporting integrity is a word I would never ever associate with your team Mrs Budge. Just ask Dundee.

So in a word or 20 you have little or no interest in anyone else bar yourselves. You need to get your own house in order before you start spouting your self importance ****.

I look forward to your next statement of self pity and playing the victim so I can have a good laugh.


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Here’s another snippet I have taken from the latest statement


“We must also stop hiding behind what the current rules say and be prepared to take a pragmatic, fleet-of-foot approach to dealing with change”

Why should we do that Mrs Budge? Rules are there for a reason and they are also there to protect everyone associated with the game. If we didn’t have rules people could do what they wanted without consequences!

So you don’t want to abide by the rules because it doesn’t suit and you are doing all this because of fairness and sporting integrity.

Fairness would be you taking your medicine and accepting you will be relegated.

Fairness would be you paying your way including all the local businesses and charities you bumped in the past.

Sporting integrity is a word I would never ever associate with your team Mrs Budge. Just ask Dundee.

So in a word or 20 you have little or no interest in anyone else bar yourselves. You need to get your own house in order before you start spouting your self importance ****.

I look forward to your next statement of self pity and playing the victim so I can have a good laugh.


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Exactly. We've already had to adapt things due to the current circumstances. Why complicate matters with additional, unnecessary change?

The last 48 hours have been brilliant.

Sportsound has gone on the Hearts defensive even more so than normal with slavering Leslie (I am an experienced lawyer don’t you know) Deans howling at the moon and snide digs at Hibs. Today was Alan Preston (who makes Billy Dodds seem intelligent) and he was almost in tears. Tom English by the day looks more and more stupid it’s now a clear personal agenda against Doncaster.

Budge rant last night was just brilliant lots of words and lots of pain but little to no sense of facts.

And the Hearts fans. Oh my, they have reached a new level of bitterness and are taking about Philadelphia lawyers and bankrupting the SPFL. They talk about taking great delight when clubs go bust ignoring the fact that the first one is likely to be them.

Morally bankrupt, soon to be financially bankrupt.

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Exactly. We've already had to adapt things due to the current circumstances. Why complicate matters with additional, unnecessary change?

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Exactly. I think someone else posted that until the end of March 2020 not once since she took over did Budge even mention reconstruction.

That in itself tells you everything you need to know about her intentions.


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I've come to loathe the sight of Ann Budge's face.

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Originally Posted by Hibeesmad

If Hibs were in this position, my sole frustration would be on the fact we only managed 4 wins from 30 games leaving us bottom of the table, 4 points behind Hamilton. Accepting that the global pandemic has put people into a position where tough decisions have to be made but ultimately the right decisions to keep football clubs and people alive.

I haven't come across one Hearts fan who is frustrated that their club have allowed them to be in this position?

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Someone on Twitter has pointed out that its 6 wins in 44. Only 1 win against any of the current bottom six this season, only 2 wins in 45 against the teams in the current bottom six. They've not beaten Hamilton since before Christmas 2018. 32 points out of a possible 132.

They justify their current league position.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Someone on Twitter has pointed out that its 6 wins in 44. Only 1 win against any of the current bottom six this season, only 2 wins in 45 against the teams in the current bottom six. They've not beaten Hamilton since before Christmas 2018. 32 points out of a possible 132.

They justify their current league position.

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It’s pointless in some respects producing FACTS because Hearts fans don’t do FACTS they do FABLE.

I do however appreciate this type of thing because it’s important to have all the FACTS during any discussion with a hearts supporter.
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Originally Posted by Jim44

Anyone wishing to make a contribution to them :greengrin might want more information about the campaign. Some of them are wary of contributing to something not rubber stamped by the club so the originator (Saughton Jambo :greengrin) has posted:

I can understand everyone’s concerns regarding the crowd funding page that I have started. There was much talk about starting a crowd funding page and now I’ve actioned it to happen. Please believe me I am no scammer.

I have put my name, my reputation and ultimately my business to ensure that no skullduggery shall be afoot. I am known to management throughout the years by way of my continued financial support In good times and in bad. I will not stand idly by and see our club and chairman being ridiculed in the media by the biased west coast SMS.

I have also raised money on JKB by the David Hagen auction and given stuff to be auctioned on here to raise money for JKB. Dave McClaren our moderator, has been to my house to collect the very own Dave Vanacek jersey I sponsored last year to give away as an auction prize. I’m sure I am known by a few members on here and to call me a scammer is being cautious at best but so wide of the mark. Scammers do not put their own name and address to such fundraising and do you really think I’d want circa 8000 people banging on my door if there was a misappropriation of funds?

I have written to senior management to inform them of my actions and I have also contacted Stuart Wallace regarding this. I have invited both to become trustees of this fund.

Please see below my corespondance to the relevant people I have contacted
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Dear Ann,


Dear Ms Park and Mr Wallace,

I am writing to you to express my concerns as of, the decision made on Friday to veto the motion to carry forward any plans for league reconstruction. This was voted against by premiership member clubs before the mandate proposed,by our chairman, had been given a chance to circulate.

To say I, and many fellow supporter are furious, would be the understatement of the year. It’s not just the proposals put forward, it’s the whole manner in which the way events have unfolded and member clubs have been ‘leaned upon’ to favour and benefit certain member clubs within the governing body.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, I was encouraged by a former board member, probably by way of a Rally Cry, by virtue of, every fan needs to do their bit! I simply cannot and won’t see our proud and glorious club suffer severe financial hardship which has been forced upon us by this global pandemic. We have always played within the rules of sporting integrity and yet I feel it’s been to the detriment of our club that our chairman has been honest, upfront and forthright in her endeavours to find a fair solution for all clubs and not just ourselves. This has lead to her integrity being taken advantage of by the double dealing that has taken place.

Without rambling on about past events then the purpose of this email is to say, if we decide to challenge the outcome or the way in which the outcome was derived by underhand dealings then a lengthy civil action will be costly to say the least. Mr Leslie Deans expects the figure to be between £250k - £500k. This is a lawsuit we probably cant afford if we find ourselves in the championship, but to sit back and do nothing is wrong. Who says it’s wrong? The supporters and everyone who follows our great club.

Therefore I have set up a crowd funding page to raise funds for Heart of Midlothian Football Club. I have opened this with a £500 donation to start things moving. If we find ourselves cruelly demoted after the European deadline to action the finishing of our league campaign, then I would like to think we have a separate fighting fund in place now that would urge our board to take this forward to the court of session. It would help to sway our cause if the club knows that the decision will not financially harm us and the funds have been raised separately by loyal supporters to enable us to do this.

Ann I am personally reaching out to you as a valued friend to endorse this campaign as you know me well enough. As a person who holds our great club very close to my heart, then I have never wavered with my support on the terraces home and away, and also as a match partner who has for a number of years, continually put money into our coffers by player, match sponsor, hosting and advertising.

There has already been some ‘raised eyebrows’ online as to the integrity of my actions. I can assure you that my actions are the result of much debate and I have decided to Seize the Day. This is our Carpe Diem and the time to act is now.

I would be happy to invite you and Stuart Wallace as a trustee of this crowdfunding page. This is to ensure transparency when the subject of monies is to be dispersed. I am happy for the FOH to take complete control over this if it does not raise concerns over a matter of conflict. This is a separate fund to be used for legal action If it’s decided and should by no way undermine the great work the FOH and its members, myself included, subscribe to every month by raising funds out with the FOH.

I thank you for taking the time to read this and I would employ you to urge all fellow supporters to get behind this campaign to show the world that Heart of Midlothian Football Club will not take this decision lying down.

Nemo me impune lacessit

Always Hearts

Yours faithfully

Keith Drysdale

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Some of these folk have spent far too much time in bowling club committees.

Did the bus driver of a hearts coach not once collect money and do a runner? Or am I just imagining that?

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I've come to loathe the sight of Ann Budge's face.

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That was a rollercoaster of a sentence. Glad you ended it with face.

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Originally Posted by Col2

Did the bus driver of a hearts coach not once collect money and do a runner? Or am I just imagining that?

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I think a guy was supposedly running a bus took the hertz fans money and the bus never showed up,,pure rage lol