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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
they would just name as such
the last supper
next home game= the real last supper
next home game= the really real last supper
next home game= the truly last supper
next home game= the seriously last supper
next home game= the honestly we're being serious now last supper
next home game= the factual never to be repeated last supper
next home game= the 1902 and 5-1 appreciation last supper
and so on and so forth
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Originally Posted by inglisavhibs
If you're ITK, can you give us some examples of how far off the mark they are?
Hibs reckon that an average of 10% of STs don't turn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by clerriehibs
From what I've seen and heard they talk about 20%.
Have other SPFL teams now given up hope of further fleecing Hearts fans with the nonsense about donating to FOH when the yams come visiting?
I don't see anything on the Saints website in relation to tomorrow's game and nothing was mentioned in the previous away days to Dundee United and Celtc?
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Originally Posted by DaveF
Celtc give money to Hearts? Are you SERIOUS?
I realise they love to think of themselves as a charitable entity (no laughing at the back) but there are limits you know.
It was more United and Saints I was on about :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
FOH used to shout from the rooftops about goodwill from other teams, but that seems to have went quiet of late. In fact, FOH almost seem to have shut up shop in terms of blowing their own trumpet.
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Originally Posted by DaveF
:greengrin I know, I just couldn't resist.
Yep, FoH seem to be strangely silent just now. Not a peep about the DDs, for instance.
I tried to bait them last night on one of the EEN pieces about the Yams terrible year of 2013. I asked if they could confirm that the standing orders had dropped by 50% and that is why the figures are not being released.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
No denials, insults or responses of any kind so far.
Come folks, get busy, 50% reduction in the S/O's is now a Hibs.net fact. :greengrin
Been quiet since before the CVA vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
Despite getting a provisional approval of their CVA their faces were tripping them as they came out of the meeting and not heard from them since.
BDO been quiet as well. They said they have a funding shortfall to finish the season but have then announced nothing about plans on how they would fill it (except selling 4 course meals and a free bar for about £50 a pop).
Maybe the plan is to sell players bit I don't think they have anyone of value and Bryan Jackson said himself that they would have to go back to the fans. What is his plan? Wait till things are desperate and blackmail them with a gun at the clubs head? Worked before, so maybe.
Yam acquaintance saying some team had blown his win by +4 goals bet and reeled off he three that did.
Pity you didn't include Killie, I said.
His wee face was a picture
Clayton would be a fantastic signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs07p
Big Ben is 10 times the keeper McDonald is. McDonald has undoubtedly improved this season, however so would I if I was to get approximately 70 shots pinged at me every Saturday
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Originally Posted by Slenj.=]
No chance.
He's having a great season at Brentford who look like getting into the playoffs if not automatic promotion to the Championship where the big money starts.
Been watching them a lot recently (whilst keeping an anxious eye on hibs.net, obviously.)
My mates a bobby and it was over a year ago he old me about the difference in actual/reported attendances. Not sure how far out they are but from a different source I hear the attendance on boxing day was 11000 plus. Still a good crowd for what they are having to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by clerriehibs
Not a ****in chance they had 11K !!! Sorry but thats drivel..According to the cheats fan i know 8K would be more appropriateQuote:
Originally Posted by inglisavhibs
Going by the BBC pics before they went heavily behind their claimed attendance looks about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibbyAndy
Are they still dead certs for liquidation, survival or have you had another change of heart? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
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Originally Posted by desantos0773
13,684 att at the PBS against Killie :confused: You are having a laugh .
Assuming 500 away supporters in the visitors end, that would leave about 700 empty seats in the rest of the ground. There was acres of empty seats even before the first goal.
Away and bile yer heidQuote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
Utter nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
Family yam who went said 8k...............there did seem to be too many gaps for 11k but we are talking yamematics here so any number is possible in their world. They're a big club who won a war so they can say and do what they likeQuote:
Originally Posted by HibbyAndy
Even if they were getting full houses every week (which they clearly aren't ) it's not going to make any difference to what happens regarding Relegation so why are we bothered about it If they want to lie about attendances leave them to it and focus on increasing oursQuote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
At the end of the day, it all comes down to plums on seats!!! And there are still plenty of them!
Did you enjoy the game ?Quote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
Exactly, their turnover is smaller than ours and has been for the last 3 years so if they are getting those crowds then they must be seriously discounting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
He left after the second went in.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbymick
:titanic:
Time to go from here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibee_nation
Where do Yams go these days? Not faxed back to Kaunas anymore, for sure. Maybe it's onto the unpaid debts file at BDO's office - a kind of purgatory.
Plenty room to do both my good man :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
... and in with that thought the major factor is results.
We are on the up, up, up, slowly but surely while they are on the good ship Titynic.
They hit the iceberg some time ago. The ladies, children and cowards have long gone. Only those with harridan type wives worse than death/going to the shops on Saturday remain on deck waiting on the inevitable.
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Originally Posted by jacomoseven
'Return to Drawer'? :greengrin
Edit: Or is it 'Refer to Drawer'? :hmmm: Bounced cheques are soooooo 20th Century....
I'm not sure thats accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Yams wish it still was the 20th century.Quote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
5,000 less? A Uni pal of mine (from Dublin, so I could excuse his allegiances) dragged me along to the Declans v. Cologne in the early 90's. The place was rammed apart from one strip at the Sevco end to keep the fans apart. There were at least 50,000 there and the declared attendance was exactly '30,000'....Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
I agree with the majority of your sentiments, as I was at the game, but Killie brought nearer 350, not 500-700.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Thought I'd bring this thread back just to remind people that Hearts probably have about 3-4 months maximum to come out of administration before they are liquidated.
The championship should be something they are aspiring too.
What's going to be the head-shot ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Club runs out of cash, Ukio admin. run out patience, Yam fans run out of interest, or something else :greengrin
Good reminder Bob! Quick question for JKB watchers, has anyone over there even ventured the possibility that they may still be in admin come season end with all the dire consequences that brings? I realise this is almost certainly a rhetorical question but its now a year since the great share issue fraud & yet they continue to believe in all the fairy tales which ooze out of the PBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
I have a few good contacts at foh they have gone oh so quiteQuote:
Originally Posted by brog
Around 5 weeks ago I was being told it was a done deal as per
Our fav MP ..I asked last week why it was not done yet to be told
We are really worried now the voting fiasco proved to be just that
And the noises are not good....they beleive they will out of cash
Before anything happens in lith...
Time is not there friend :thumbsup:
Forgive me if I missed this but : does anyone know who actually owns or controls the 50% shares that were assumed to be in ubig's possession?
Is it definitely confirmed as being in ubig's ownership?
I was out with my mates on Saturday night, one of whom is a full on Jambo (5-1, 1902 etc...). I asked him about their current plight. His answer (put very boldly) was it was all worth it and he wouldn't change anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
I said that I would ask him in a couple of years if it was worth it when you are still in the championship at best, with no ground and nobody else remembers or even cares about your cup wins.
His response was he still wouldn't change anything, but his eyes has real fear in them!
It felt really really good to see that fear, as I think deep down they all have it..........:wink:
I'm not believing they'll run out of cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
They've got 7,000 guaranteed seasons to fall back on, and the introduction of the season tickets for sale in March will see them through this season. It might put pressure on their cash flow for next season though.
BDO only need to put that begging bowl out and the deluded will come running. Even if they don't know which League they will be in next year if at all, the chumps will empty the bairns piggy banks, and get the ovens fired up once again.
Based on the DAFC timeline, even if the CVA is unconditionally approved by all creditors at the beginning of January, they will be lucky to be out of admin by June.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
Na no really. Look at Rangers, 50,000 odd fans at Ibrox almost close enough or all filled and they (Rangers) were/are in a right state.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdhibees1
That only works so often, even with completely brain dead morons. I don't think that the begging bowl efforts would be as successful if tried again. I would think that even the DiDDies have started to dwindle already. If as you say they start to sell STs for next season in March there is no way they will be able to get through next season as they would hope and get promotion back to top division. Not much chance of those £300k bids for May and McKay being put through I suspect:crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
If ict beat them in the semi final then they will be struggling for cash, if they don't I think they will probably be ok money wise.
I don't think it was ever definitely confirmed that UBIG still held the shares. Their admin. had barely got his feet under the desk before the CVA vote and I think there is a hell of a lot more stuff of importance to sort than a few million Yam shares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
There was plenty of time for Vlad and his cronies to shift the shares before UBIG and Vlad's assets were frozen and Vlad did transfer the ownership of his houses and tried a few tricks with other shares in companies so why not ship the heart's shares to a safer place ( that is supposing they thought they might be worth anything )
Fedatovas did state after Vlad and the other directors all resigned from UBIG that Vlad still controlled HOMFC.
So who Knows ? The niece was already holding 15% of the equity in Quantum Holdings or something but I would have thought the actual holders of the shares would have made themselves known as the shares will be worthless come liquidation.
Listen the talk is over they are ****ed when we beatQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
them on Thursday that will be the end they and their fans will wilt
away disdapear already they are fighting within...magic
Wishfully thinking but agree if we beat them and they go out cup crowds will dwindle as sweet F A to play for so only hard core will try and do a Rangers and stay defiant till the end The other Scenario is administrators string them along again and end of January say they are close to deal for fans to take over but need one last big push then they do same again about keeping money coming in so they can bounce straight back up with all those players waiting in the wings to play for the cause when they do go down some of them will just use hearts as a gravy train and that will lead to more problems when they don't come back upQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenworld
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Seems to me like they won't complete the season...
...unless the share ownership is resolved
Barry Anderson on Twitter:
Barry Anderson @BarryAnderson_8 21m This is frightening. Bolton Wanderers' debt is now £163.8m. http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/wanderersnews/10905726.Bolton_Wanderers__debt_reaches_record_lev els/ … #BWFC
I wonder how this compares to Hearts level of debt as a ratio to their turnover. I'm pretty sure if you added back the "forgiveness" - which is basically Vlad writing off the debt -the Bolton numbers would compare to Hearts.
Edit to add - from the story linked in the tweet, at least Bolton maintained their wages at a level within their turnover.
Ask him ?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
In 2007/8, their turnover was £51m - more than 5 times that of Hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
http://www.footballeconomy.com/conte...hletic-company
Indeed, but hearts are a big team who owed it to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Which of the two clubs are in admin having bumped their creditors and their own favourite charities?
And allisbarry is a reporter - it must be true as the EEN employ him and give him money.
The real difference is that BWFC is owned by someone who actually gives a sh*t about the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Hearts don't have that problem, but at least they are managed by somebody passionately committed to the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
And long may that beautiful state of affairs continue.
Interesting that allisbarry never showed any interest in the true level of homfc debt, even tho the EEN has him 'aligned' with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'm not sure thats correct. I think it was the cash from the 7,000 season tickets which disappeared, almost certainly into the same black hole as the share issue money. The Yams then went out with the begging bowl again, did a bunch of special offers & moved about another 3,500 seasons, a fairly high % of which were discounted. That money will also mostly have gone by now. I think their LC semi may be a watershed, win it & they'll lurch on through to the final for the revenue, lose it & the lights could be going out all over Gorgie!Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Indeed, of the debt, the vast majority of it is owed to Eddie Davies who has effectively written the debt off. The club also bought the running of the hotel at the Reebok this year and have chucked a bucketload of money at the 'Middlebrook Masterplan' which will provide a good few different areas of income over the coming years. Certainly a little different to the Yams throwing non-existent money down a black hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
Although it would appear to be a huge debt do bolton not own the retail park that the stadium sits in so so gain a steady income from that? Also they own a pretty decent stadium too??
Are you suggesting the PBS isn't a decent stadium?Quote:
Originally Posted by gegs70
:agree: Know the area pretty well, Middlebrook and the area around the hotel has a positive feel to it, and BW also play in an already built megasuperhotelstadium complex a bit like the yam were planning. Shame it only ever reached the pile of cardboard boxes stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by LancashireHibby
Brog I believe you are correct. The 7000 ST's money plus share monies were put in suitcases and whipped away to Lithland or indeed Russia by Vlad and his laddie.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
I remember from the off BDO begging for between 3000 and 3500 to start or survive until the season started.
Hate the thought of Hearts zombie'ing on due to winning this upcoming semi against ICT. Wouldn't surprise me if they won it on penalties. The cup run would then read; beat Raith on penalties, beat QoS on penalties, one of their luckiest ever wins against us then another penalties win.
https://twitter.com/The_FoH
Some fellow called Davie Hogg asking FoH " how many direct debits have been lost since the peek "
FoH respond by wishing everyone a happy new year, hiding the question without answering it.
Major cover-up going on, me thinks.
Post deleted
Maybe not best idea to share in public (just yet)
All has gone very very quite down FoH way. They will only shout the amount of DD's when they are on the up and when it suits.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Their silence is deafing and I think things may not be going to plan.
Not even heard any adverts on radio.
Allisbarry
I couldn't see the question but saw a response which indicated Davie Hogg was stopping his DD. As Davie Hogg was a Hibs player & fan I think this could be a nice old wind up. Suspect a fair few have pulled out but if they say so they only encourage the rush to oblivion!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
The question is behind the Tweet that starts " with that a heart felt happy new year ... " It is still the top tweet from 2 hours ago, but has been covered by a non-answer. Press the expand . I think there will be quite a few Davie Hogg 's in East of Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
One definite wind-up is the lad Mathew something , on Christmas day he tweets he wants to donate all his christmas money to FoH and gets a response with a great thank-you and instructions . Look at the guys face page or tweet page and it is a picture of Easter Road taken from Calton Hill. :greengrin
I would surmise that if they announced that the DDs had reduced by say 20%', it would start a dramatic slide.
' Am no payin if he's no payin'.
:agree: Diddies who didnae. We will be hearing a lot more about this group in months to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
As has been mentioned before, the DD's are only going to go one way and will drop-off over time, as anyone who was going to subscribe, will have done so already. FoH must have factored into their plan a % into their (oxymoron alert) business model for unpaid subs.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
The whole scheme is flawed and the resignation of key directors may have set the alarm bells ringing (although even a brass hammer striking inside their hollow heads would probably go unnoticed)
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Originally Posted by Seveno
My thoughts exactly ! :thumbsup:
We need to be pushing the question the merricks won't ask and FoH would rather ignore, Scotsman, EEN anywhere, get it talked about.
FoH , now replied to David Hogg query on number of Direct Debits cancelled.
Answer ...... " Almost none , still over 7600, incredible "
And it was right about David Hogg being a Hibby, his response is " Mugs ". :greengrin
PS . does anyone else think that FoH adding the word " incredible " was a Freudian Slip. :greengrin
off topic a tad but look at Bolton's debts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25559504
Bolton have announced they are £163.8m in debt after parent company Burnden Leisure PLC released its figures for the year ending June 2013 - the club's first season in the Championship.
jeezo
Problem for the Yams is they own a stadium which could become a retail park.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
So is it none, almost none or we're not telling you?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Well they would say that, if the answer was " well, 25/35/50% or whatever have cancelled, that would lead to more yams saying, well what's the point and also cancelling. By saying nearly none have, it might keep some or the more deluded mugs to carry on payingQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Would suggest its not FOH replyingQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
The 7600 number is just a stock response that FoH have been told to maintain regardless of what the actual figure is as only a couple of people actually know it. The FoH aren't even telling BDO for precisely the reasons mentioned above, if there's a drop off it will lead to a domino effect.
The number hasn't gone up since November which would indicate they hit saturation pint quite quickly.
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
How on earth can you survive with that sort of debt,interest payments must be huge,unless they owe it to themselves of course !!!!!
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Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
gawd knows, but the owner has pumped in over £100 million of his own dosh(unlike romanovs imaginary money)
"only" £12m is owed externally. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
Spot on! I love the almost none answer, means they've peaked & only one way to go now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
"Almost none" is in reference to "how many points do Hearts have?" :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by brog
Ultimately the question is not how many have cancelled, but how much the monthly pledged income has dropped.....if 5000 have cancelled at £10 a month then that is not huge in the scheme of things, I would be very interested to know what the current monthly pledge income is versus what was pledged.....
Let's just say they've had a 10% reduction in donations. What must the mystery backer(s) be thinking? (Assuming they knew about it) If it was me I'd seriously be reconsidering my offer and not paying as much money, which could royally **** things up for FoH. To be fair though they must know its a huge risk and be willing to take a hit.
It's "almost none" in relation to 400,000 jambos - which means they could have lost about 2000 and they can claim "almost none".Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
Ach we'll they won't have to pay the big wage to Zal that the deluded mob were talking about
he's just signed a new deal with Leeds
Another dream turns into a nightmare for the Jambos
Next Satchel will be signing for Auchinleck Talbot for a better wage than the Yams can offer
GIRFUY Jambos
GGTTH
Which is wiped out four times over with one promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
And here's another one to give the Yams comfort that they really are a big team.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25564078
'Almost none' means there HAS been a drop - so how much is the 'Drop' ??
I think that there might be a bit of wishful thinking going on here regarding a drop in pledges unless anyone has any concrete info?
What I think should be more concerning for the jambos is that they still do not know who is bankrolling it. After all this time and all the pledges, surely it's time to reveal who it is?
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Originally Posted by Mellow Hibee
I thought Anne Budge was putting up the bulk of the dosh.
Perhaps an international financier who has reasons to keep a low profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mellow Hibee
Be interesting how many more drop off when the credit card bills for Christmas start popping through the letter boxes. Just wish they would hurry up and die :agree:
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
100 million down the drain,what a waste and proves how crazy it has got in England. I couldnt name a Bolton player just now yet some bloke has pumped all that money in
Maybe he's got a secret underground lair built into a volcano with a submarine at the ready to make a speedy escape if it all goes tits up.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
FOH can put as much spin on it as they like but a recent poll showed that 40% of fans had cancelled their DD's and 40% more were 'actively considering' doing so.
Sobering figures, which I admittedly, just plucked out of the air, but no more or less valid than the ones made up by FOH.
Not that it matters a jot - they will get nowhere near to running the club as much as I would love to witness the shambles they'd exacerbate.
Liquidation looms.
...and this report by the European Commission might scupper any Council funding for a new stadium :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-25559959
They should be paying back with interest on their benefit from Scotland's National Performance Centre for Sport at some point in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/scotland/24060805
I'm sure we could make those numbers a .net FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S