SNP are lying b******s as well !

I received an email this morning informing me that my son's nursery will be closing on 31st July. A lot of the places at the nursery are subsidised by the council because of the area it is in. The nursery have been informed by the council that due to budget cuts said funding will be cut by 80%, even with a huge hike in parental fees it's just no longer viable so they are closing the doors. That's on top of the local library recently cutting it's hours significantly and a local youth group having their funding cut completely and announcing they will be closing at the end of the current school term.

I suppose that's the reality of ill thought out council tax freezes. You now have people on low incomes having their subsidised childcare pulled from under them and scrambling about trying to find spaces in the very limited alternative options. An extra £50 annually in your pocket thanks to the freeze but adding hundreds to your childcare bill doesn't really seem such a good deal does it? It's not a huge issue for me as my fees weren't subsidised anyway but it's a huge hit for those who can least afford it.

As I said way back when it was announced; a council tax freeze disproportionately impacts the worst off and is of most benefit to the already wealthy. The whole thing needs a radical overhaul.

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I received an email this morning informing me that my son's nursery will be closing on 31st July. A lot of the places at the nursery are subsidised by the council because of the area it is in. The nursery have been informed by the council that due to budget cuts said funding will be cut by 80%, even with a huge hike in parental fees it's just no longer viable so they are closing the doors. That's on top of the local library recently cutting it's hours significantly and a local youth group having their funding cut completely and announcing they will be closing at the end of the current school term.

I suppose that's the reality of ill thought out council tax freezes. You now have people on low incomes having their subsidised childcare pulled from under them and scrambling about trying to find spaces in the very limited alternative options. An extra £50 annually in your pocket thanks to the freeze but adding hundreds to your childcare bill doesn't really seem such a good deal does it? It's not a huge issue for me as my fees weren't subsidised anyway but it's a huge hit for those who can least afford it.

As I said way back when it was announced; a council tax freeze disproportionately impacts the worst off and is of most benefit to the already wealthy. The whole thing needs a radical overhaul.

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How come council tax is considered not progressive and also cutting it is also not progressive?
The SG replaced the money lost by the councils on the freeze and did it by taxing higher earners more in income tax.
Usually when people advocate getting rid of council tax because it’s not progressive they favour replacing it with Income tax?


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How come council tax is considered not progressive and also cutting it is also not progressive?
The SG replaced the money lost by the councils on the freeze and did it by taxing higher earners more in income tax.
Usually when people advocate getting rid of council tax because it’s not progressive they favour replacing it with Income tax?


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It's not fully costed in real terms every council needs to chose its cuts and the ones that said they wanted to raise council tax were threatened by scot gov with being cut completely.


https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-budget-will-cause-cuts-in-every-community
Robison said the government was offering an additional £140m to councils to implement the freeze, the equivalent of a five per cent increase to the local tax.

But some had reportedly been considering an increase of up to ten per cent.

Cosla estimates councils are facing a revenue shortfall of £95m in 2024-25, not including the cost of a council tax freeze, and a capital shortfall of £99.5m.

It said fully funding the freeze could cost up to £300m, more than double what has been provided by ministers

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How come council tax is considered not progressive and also cutting it is also not progressive?
The SG replaced the money lost by the councils on the freeze and did it by taxing higher earners more in income tax.
Usually when people advocate getting rid of council tax because it’s not progressive they favour replacing it with Income tax?


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That read suspiciously like trying to circumvent the realities of the situation when it comes to council funding.

Services are on their knees and completely underfunded and the additonal central funding comes nowhere close to meeting those needs because it's a bribe that was nowhere close to 'fully funded'.

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That read suspiciously like trying to circumvent the realities of the situation when it comes to council funding.

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I’m not. I think councils should be fully autonomous from the SG and think they should be responsible for raising their own funding as well, with whatever tax structure they see fit. The constant arguments with cosla are a waste of time politically and economically.


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Forbes deputy first minister.

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Forbes deputy first minister.

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Good start. [emoji106]


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Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

Was obvious he would give her the gig to not stand. I think she would have won with members but not SNP msps in forming a government. Let's see how the greens take it hopefully it means an end to a formal coalition and they can go policy by policy.

Great read from Robin Mcalpine about the final days of Yousaf, the much publicised deal he tried to do with Alba and Sturgeons interventions.

https://robinmcalpine.org/two-portraits-of-a-fall/

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The start was installing Swinney as yet another continuity candidate. The party before country manouveres we are seeing here doesn’t really qualify as a good start, the people responsible for the last twelve months of dysfunctional Government are still in charge.

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Genuine question: why? Sell her to me, as a political nomad and atheist.

As a first action, Swinney could do worse than reverse the ridiculous Council Tax freeze of his predecessor.

Personally I think that was a stupid decision, and I say that as someone that voted SNP in the last elections.

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As a first action, Swinney could do worse than reverse the ridiculous Council Tax freeze of his predecessor.

Personally I think that was a stupid decision, and I say that as someone that voted SNP in the last elections.

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I'd doubt Sturgeon would let him do that she didn't let Humza?

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Genuine question: why? Sell her to me, as a political nomad and atheist.

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Personally as someone that wants independence she brings a chance of independence. The current 5 years of culture wars mince has brought independence as far away as I can remember. Swinney won't change that to be fair we've probably 2 years a crap Scottish election then a rebuild.

There is probably 90% of yes or no voters that are not going to move. SNP has ignored the middle where that should have been the focus. Most of that middle say they will vote for Starmers Labour at the GE so that shows what kind of policy won.

After all these years of the tories and Starmer for the next 5 all I care about is getting independence, that should be the number 1st,2nd and 3rd focus. If going to the centre gets independence do it we will have a lifetime to make a fairer Scotland without the fear of the Westminster tories having any power over us

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Personally as someone that wants independence she brings a chance of independence. The current 5 years of culture wars mince has brought independence as far away as I can remember. Swinney won't change that to be fair we've probably 2 years a crap Scottish election then a rebuild.

There is probably 90% of yes or no voters that are not going to move. SNP has ignored the middle where that should have been the focus. Most of that middle say they will vote for Starmers Labour at the GE so that shows what kind of policy won.

After all these years of the tories and Starmer for the next 5 all I care about is getting independence, that should be the number 1st,2nd and 3rd focus. If going to the centre gets independence do it we will have a lifetime to make a fairer Scotland without the fear of the Westminster tories having any power over us

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Completely agree, Swinney will now be in place until, at the very least, the Scottish elections. Those elections could of been used as a plebiscite at a push with, as Robin McCalpine mentions, every decision made correctly and on point. I reckon once a date is decided and a proper campaign is started there's mid 60's % for Independence if not more. That chance is gone now and we're looking at around 10 years. That'll be 10 years of theft and extraction of Scotland and its resources. Gawd I'm sounding like an Alba supporter now, this aint healthy.

New cabinet announced no greens obviously. Lot of chatter as they have dropped having a minister for independence. Not a big deal I think they all should be pushing independence anyway

Not pop at the SNP but at the Greens, I thought Patrick Harvie’s attack on Kate Forbes was very disrespectful

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Not pop at the SNP but at the Greens, I thought Patrick Harvie’s attack on Kate Forbes was very disrespectful

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Let him crack on. It’s helping bring SNP back together.


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Not pop at the SNP but at the Greens, I thought Patrick Harvie’s attack on Kate Forbes was very disrespectful

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It was embarrassing, Ross Greer has been at it too.

I’m absolutely sick of people behaving like this just because you don’t agree with them. This current Green Party are all just weird people who shouldn’t be anywhere near a government.

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It was embarrassing, Ross Greer has been at it too.

I’m absolutely sick of people behaving like this just because you don’t agree with them. This current Green Party are all just weird people who shouldn’t be anywhere near a government.

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Ross Greer is an odious individual with puss I would not get tired punching 🤣🤣🤣

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And Harvie is the definition of a wee sh*te.

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It was embarrassing, Ross Greer has been at it too.

I’m absolutely sick of people behaving like this just because you don’t agree with them. This current Green Party are all just weird people who shouldn’t be anywhere near a government.

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I’ve said this too. I wish the current greens could be forced to relinquish the name so we could have an actual Green Party who focused on pro environmental polices without being complete nut cases instead of these culture war students who never grew up.

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It was embarrassing, Ross Greer has been at it too.

I’m absolutely sick of people behaving like this just because you don’t agree with them. This current Green Party are all just weird people who shouldn’t be anywhere near a government.

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Yet it took nearly three years for our Government to recognise that.

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It was embarrassing, Ross Greer has been at it too.

I’m absolutely sick of people behaving like this just because you don’t agree with them. This current Green Party are all just weird people who shouldn’t be anywhere near a government.

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Don't tar every green with the same brush. I have Mark Ruskell as a regional MSP, met him a few times and I doubt if he has any extreme views.

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Don't tar every green with the same brush. I have Mark Ruskell as a regional MSP, met him a few times and I doubt if he has any extreme views.

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Thought you were a Green Party member?

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Have been in the past. Met Mark Ruskell while out campaigning for the Greens in Dunkeld and pitlochry in Perthshire North. Good guy but less enamoured with the way of campaigning by the local branch, choosing to knock doors in areas I don't think that would be typical green voters. But that's a different story.

My point remains, not every green MSP or councillor shares the opinion of Harvey, slater or Greer.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...eform-32777370

A welcome change in direction from Swinney. Making it clear early on that all talk of gender reform is off the table. I doubt it will be back until people are willing to be more grown up about it and that could be a very long time.


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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...eform-32777370

A welcome change in direction from Swinney. Making it clear early on that all talk of gender reform is off the table. I doubt it will be back until people are willing to be more grown up about it and that could be a very long time.


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As I said in my post on another thread, it will be back once society has come to a consensus. Politicians don't decide these things, society does. All politicians do is pass legislation once there is no political downside to doing so.

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As I said in my post on another thread, it will be back once society has come to a consensus. Politicians don't decide these things, society does. All politicians do is pass legislation once there is no political downside to doing so.

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