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BDO were appointed by the Lithuanian administrators were they not?Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashinGlass
Therefore, they should know the valuation, and FoH is the interested party who makes the bid.
The bigger issue perhaps is that no other interested parties have gone public with a bid for Tynecastle as a development site, although it's understandable that developers wouldn't want to be seen as being responsible for making Hearts homeless. They may surface if they go to liquidation though.
Yep, pretty much what I said below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Its hard to remember now but I thought it was other way round. ie, any "profit" made by Yams while in admin, up to the time a CVA is agreed would be set off against BDO fees. The balance would come off the £2.5m offer. I have to say this struck me as a crazy deal for Ukio. Can anyone remember the post# with the CVA details on it?
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Poor Vlad, he has had his case for suing the Lithuanian State for damaging his bank thrown out without any evidence being examined.
Don't take it, Vlad, launch an appeal ! :greengrin
Clearly the Liths know the value of the land. But they are not holding Hearts responsible for Romanov's £70 million of losses attributed through his activities in Gorgie. They are going after whatever they can salvage/ track down from what he has absconded with. If on the way way they can pick up any money from the parties he has used in his £300 million blow out then that is a bonus - £2.5 million in Hearts case. The liquidation game is over. All we can do now is see them languish cAsh strapped in the lower leagues for several years. Not a bad consolation prize.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRANTON_HIBS
:confused: If as you claim they are going after whatever they can salvage/track down, and if on the way they can pick up any money from the parties Romanov has used, then it will be more than £2.5m in Hearts case (basket), since the value of the land on which the Wongadome (Pink) stands is more than £2.5m.Quote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
Is this official now...tell me noooo :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
No it isn't. Hearts are still in Admin and will be for the foreseeable future, if they run out of money before a CVA can be completed then BDO will be left with no choice but to liquidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
Not sure if it's been covered yet but i noticed Dunfermline officially came out of administration today, when was there CVA agreed in principle again?
End of July.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
So around 4 and a half months for a club with circumstances much simpler than Hearts to come out of admin, you've got to assume in Hearts case then it's extremely unlikely they'll be out of admin by the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
I take it that means they'll almost definately be starting next season on -15 points then?
Phew :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
TBF though i think the chances of that happening are pretty small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
They've got enough cash to get them through till March just now, probably a fair chance they'll sell a player or two in January and even if they don't they could put season tickets on sale early or have more whip rounds.
Just stumbled across this interesting piece of history :greengrin
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Will they not have to still be in administration at start of next season to suffer points deduction?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
:dunno: I'd always assumed it would have been the end of the season so clubs next season can prepare for the next season. Not sure though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
For someone who proclaims to have 25 years experience in administration finance, I wouldn't trust you with the petty-cash tin.Quote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
I was taking to one of my friends yesterday who was a Dunfermline director a few years ago. They are trying to get 1000 members to pay £20 per month to help generate income for the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
He also said that Dunfermline had little or no football debt?
Anyone know if that is a fact?
:take that:spammy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
There's only so much of that the fans will take. It's already started dropping. It doesn't seem like there will be a finance option for Season Tickets next season so that's going to put a dent in sales there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I've said previously BDO want to use next seasons Season Ticket money as a very last resort because it puts the FOH's business plan into serious jeopardy as they'd have to take over the club and run it just on Direct Debits if they come out of admin during the off season. I'm also led to believe BDO can't deduct their own fees from that money.
Don't tell me they are not even holding Hearts responsible for the £ 22 million they were in debt before Vlad came on the scene. :confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
Who do they blame for that ...... The Tooth Fairy !
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Originally Posted by Bajillions
Oh good,i hope they have thief in their ranks stealing some money so it runs out quicker !
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Originally Posted by Bajillions
Oh good,i hope they have thief in their ranks stealing some money so it runs out quicker !
'Hearts, once proud, once mighty .....' - Jeezus-wept - just not enough words, time, space etc, etc !!Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Leopards can't change their spots
Regardless of what happens to hmfc and trfc, lessons have not been learned and their futures will feature further admins I suspect
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Originally Posted by Deansy
What a gem.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Who would have thought The Famous have been the subject of ridicule before eh?
What players? How much? To whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Which clubs - who would be interested in HoMFC standard of players - are in a position to pay transfer fees on the assumption there are some who think they have any players of value?
I can't think of any Hibs players we would get a transfer fee for. Harris in the summer maybe depending on his form and match time when he comes back.
If they start to run out of cash which I don't expect before spring then I would imagine they would release season tickets early if need be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
In the long term I doubt this will do them much good however, this season being the prime example.
Everyone is saying this, but this season are they not surviving (only just) without receiving a penny from the 7,000 ST bought before the money was hidden in Vlad's accounts. Not really up to speed on these matters, so would be happy to be corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby
This has been mentioned by BDO and seems a certainty. Was there also not a precedent of the SPL releasing money early to help a club see out the season (Gretna?).Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby
Unfortunately, they should see out the season albeit with them scrambling around for extra pennies at every opportunity. The 15 point penalty next season for remaining in administration would be nice but they had no chance of winning that league with Der Hun in it anyway. Play off was/is possible mind.
The $h!te that wouldn't flush away.
They're a twenty flusher
It's not what's reported here, it's how it's reported. Love the number of different ways he chooses to stick the knife in.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
But saying Hearts were not as big a club as Liverpool, or Manchester United....there was no need. They were as Famous then as they are Famous now, and have always been a big club.
I reckon they will go down again next season,every game will be a dogfight,and with their young team I can't see them winning muchQuote:
Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
Yes precedent was set so sadly agree one way or another they will finish the season but on the highest minus points ever So that is something we will be able to cast up There is a feeling in new set up that they can't let the her7s go to the wall Not good publicity for new league when trying to get more sponsorship .You would of thought Wonga would have pulled plug as main sponsor but probably right up there street giving loans to those that can't pay there debt and charging extortionate interest ratesQuote:
Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
Whatever happened to Sydney?
Was still in Australia last time I heardQuote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Sorry mate, he was a Yam fud that used to post on here, making countless stupid posts. Most of us felt sorry for him, he seemed like the sort of guy that didn't have any mates, and just needed a bit of attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
Not seen any posts from him for a couple of months. Hope he's OK, now that things have realty gone t,ts up for the Yams. Who knows, he may have reinvented himself by now.
As Ronniekirk? :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
The SPL gave Gretna their prize money early to ensure that they could finish the season, and the same will happen if the Yams survive until March.Quote:
Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
But if they're still in administration at the start of next season that 15 point penalty will do long term damage. Although Sevco Huns will win Division One, without the penalty there is a risk that the Yam support rallies round as we did during the "great adventure" enabling them to come up through the playoffs. Starting next season on -15 will ensure that they have no prospect of promotion in 2014/15 and, with no incentive other than avoiding relegation to Division Two, crowds will suffer and DDs will be cancelled. That in turn will weaken them for 2015/16 - a cumulative effect that will ensure they will always to struggle to finance a promotion bid and, if they do make it to the SPL, struggle to finance a team good enough to stay up for more than a year or two before going back down. They could end up like Dundee - a once big club (in Scottish terms) that has been unable to re-establish itself in the top flight.
Watching them bob around for years will be more fun than watching them get flushed.
If their keeper McDonald (sp?) goes then they'll be humped ay every opportunity. He's kept them from several sore ones and saved them a few points.
And this is of relevance how?? If you are owed money you're really not interested in the back story of how it happened, you just want your dosh back! I can't imagine Lithuanians are any different & as another poster said, if they are going after whatever they can track down why are they allowing PBS to be valued at a knockdown rate? I never knock posters on here but I've never seen a volte-face like yours either. Just what happened to change your position from guaranteed liquidation to guaranteed CVA? I'm genuinely interested because this is the greatest conversion since St Paul!Quote:
Originally Posted by desantos0773
That is a bit harsh even for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
Any player to any club at any price.Quote:
Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
I hope that the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
They're in danger of becoming a Dundee.
Do you mind if I change it slightly? I quite like Dundee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Mind, it would be quite poignant if they were to be Dundee's equal - albeit 28 years after they would have given anything to have achieved that!
And they will be exactly like Dundee fans, running about telling anyone who will listen that they are the biggest club in town.
Makes me smile just thinking about it.
They have a mid table Scottish championship squad imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Oh, any Jambos looking in, don't panic - I'm Kidd-ing you on.
At the moment, but who's to say how much worse they'll be once they have to sell players. Basically, they are going to have to trade themselves out of this mess. Post Bosman, that'll be no mean feat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Going to be many years before we have another derby, after this season. I expect them to have back to back relegations, then at least two more years to get back to the SPL. After that a couple of desperate seasons, before back down again.
Who knows what their fan base will be after all that?
Sydney who? Sydney Australia:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
I don't get it. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Didn't they win the double 28 years ago? And who is this Kidd that you speak of?
Well they'll be dependant on their DDs, Tynie surely will be too big an expense and they'll have players so awful they'll be waxing lyrical about the likes of McHattie bombing down the wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
At work and on my phone - can someone pick an appropriate PLEASING smilie for me please?
Imagine if Hearts needed a point against Fundee on the last game of next season to stay in the league and the Albert Kidd scenario repeats itself.
Pleasing. Very, very pleasing.
If there are any Yams still actively engaging on this thread they must be masochists. After a little wobble at the end of November when it seemed as if FoH / BDO had pulled a rabbit from a hat, the news (from a Hearts pov) has been unremittingly bleak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Merry Christmas Jambos!!
:xtree2 :tree :snowman
My current PoV is that, by some miracle, they will survive to get a CVA, then get relegated.
They'll still be in Administration come the end of the season and get a 15 point deduction.
This will then scupper any chance they had of finishing in 2nd place (1st is already a given), condemning them to at least two seasons outside the top league.
The future's bright, the future's green and white :thumbsup:
Exactly my thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
The more delays the better.
If Hearts go down and are still in Administration, will they defo get another points deduction ?
The Pars lost points last season, were still in admin this season but dont seem to have had a 2nd points deduction....:confused:
Only if they start new season in administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
New governing body this year and they were SFL. Probably explains it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Sent from my brain via Tapatalk
Fixed that for you ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Classic piece of yamanomics on their matchday thread
"BTW, I would say there were more walk-ups than you think. If ST holders stayed away (and it used to average 2k a game) then that is a decent number" (11,950)
Ehm, naw. It means that your actual attendance was was well under 10k because you include ST's whether there or not.
Even with your extra fingers and toes ye cannae get the counting right
Ooooooo so close that man :top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by jonty
Went off injured today
pleasingQuote:
Originally Posted by southmoroccostu
Thought it was Superstar Walker who went off injured? Don't think goalie went off did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu
Are most of them not only contracted till the end of the season anyway? The Yams biggest danger is that the half decent ones look for a get out in January.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Oops - my badQuote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
And the bellends were singing nowt on xmas day!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
And a tear shed fur poor wee two year old, Rudi with his certificate from FOH, with their heartfelt thanks.....
Love how the yams motto for the season has changed from 'we're all in this together' to 'we're all in this together except Gary Locke, who has to go'
I was a guest at Tynecastle this afternoon. A few observations....The main stand, while retaining some character, hasn't changed since the first time i was in it in the late seventies. The roof has netting underneath it to catch any falling corrugated asbestos. The toilets are old and filthy . The catering i avoided but i did notice they provide a vegetarian option, probably vinegar crisps. The crowd were quiet for most of the match and the atmosphere was subdued but fairly supportive, they seem to understand their prediciment and accept that the football will be of a poor standard. There seems to be a general feeling that Gary Locke is clueless but he escapes vocal critisism due to the fact that they understand there is no alternative. The crowd looked to be around about the figures given, i guessed 11,000 although it dropped to around 3,000 by the time the final whistle blew.
The match itself was fairly even in the first half with hearts maybe even having ther upper hand but in the second half Inverness got their act together and killed hearts with a couple of sucker punches...Billy McKay was the difference and his movement and finishing were top drawer. The hearts kids were ok and fought hard but their inexperience shone through on numerous occasions.
the hearts goalie was the busier of the the two and one save in particular was top class, mchattie seems to get it tight from the boo boys but he just gets on with it, hammil gets it tight too but the general feeling is he plays better at full back where he was positioned today, in midfield it is all kids and they have enthusiasm in abundance but lack guile and match awareness, up front they have paterson who spent most of the match rolling about on the floor moaning at the ref for free kicks that never were, he was ineffective and posed little or no threat to a solid and impressive ict back four
all in all the feeling inside the ground is hearts are going down and the football will continue to be painful to watch until new blood can be brought in, one deluded soul, who thought i was a jambo turned to me at half time and said ''we just need an experienced striker and midfielder and we will be able to challenge''...i resisted the urge to pat him on the head and say ''there there'' instead i agreed with him adding, ''if only we had rudi we would be beating this lot today''...he looked wistfully at me as i uttered these calming words and i almost heard him think, 'oh rudi, where for art thou, why have you forsaken us in our hour of need'
nice day out for those prepared to sit amongst the famous unwashed, theres nothing better than watching them get pumped and to do it as your jambo mates sit squirming beside you just makes it more fun...if your spying again M.E. :na na: ...cheers for the ticket and the comfy seat
After Mercer, we are forever known as the team that would not die. Thanks to DC Hibs, they will forever be known as the ****** that would not flush, well done DC :greengrin brilliant.
Why what did you do wrong :greengrinQuote:
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Originally Posted by LeithBoozy
Comfy seat............. ***********!!!!!!!! Discuss
not been in that dump since the 0-3 millennium trouncing and won't ever be back. Wouldn't go if you paid me to.
Posted Today, 17:06
People don't seriously think Locke's the reason we lost that game, do they?
At half time, I sat thinking: "Hmm. Good effort, can't ask for anything more. But we've no quality, couldn't hit a barn door, and they're 2nd. We'll lose this 2-0 purely because they have matchwinners, and we don't".
Our opponents today are 2nd in the league and have been the best run club in Scotland for years. We've never been at a lower ebb at any time in the modern era and barely have a squad of players to choose from. No manager who'd take the job can do a thing about that.
And yes, it's incredibly disheartening: demoralising for the players and fans. But we're going down; we haven't got a prayer of doing anything else. And the reason for that is lack of money, lack of quality, lack of quantity and lack of experience. Absolute doddle for any manager to deal with, that little lot.
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Shan Lawson speaks his mind.
ha hahahahahaha ha
And to add insult to injury, he wasn't even sitting down at the PBS racking his wee brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by einstein
The guy is a trumpet and both he and Hearts deserve each other = LOSERS
The reason that hearts never won today was because the referee was bias. Inverness were shouting, kicking and pulling the jerseys and hair of the hearts players and the ref was punishing hearts players instead.
Players like Foran and Goodwin shout because they know they will never be good enough for hearts and they certainly wouldn't get a look in under "normal circumstances".
I hope the referee is watching out for Butchers bullies on the third.
That is a belterQuote:
Originally Posted by peter douglas
Sent from my iphone
From 'Sick-bag'
'An average hearts team under normal circumstances would NOT carry hammer throwers like foran and goodwin'
Wonder if these 'Normal Circumstances' include their entire history or is it just the 'Money-Years' (The Cheating) they're capable of remembering ???
this guy is never a footballer never mind a forward. one ofthe worst footballers that I have seen at Tynecastle. ******* murder and I have seen some ***** players after watching Hearts for over 50 years.
The guy is being played out of position! Bet you liked him when he scored the winner against Hibs!
never won a ball all afternoon and never had a shot at goal. Get himout of Tynecastle ASAP
Was he not one of the best players
Was he at the game though? Don't see the point of quoting some no mark that seldom (very) goes to see hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by einstein
I think it was very short sighted to allow sutton, barr and webster to leave. Any one of those 3 could have made a difference this season. :greengrin
'tis a bit like quoting Rick Astley to prove unconditional support for Gary Locke in his position right enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS44
Richie Foran . No doubt lurch will be in for the ****bag come january as he is vermin class :greengrin
At half time he sat thinking " good effort " did he? Was this before or after he`d straightened his back from being hunched over the radio, adjusted his position in his easy chair and shouted down the stairs for his ma to bring the half-time pies and cocoa up to him??Quote:
Originally Posted by einstein
How can any one of the mutants on KB take this walloper seriously??
Its not a Goodwin or Foran we need, they are just dirty , moaning , mediocre players who wouldn`t get a look in at Hearts.
Our winners,:greengrin players who led from the front , players who opposition feared , played with quality , determintation and guts. They never picked up regular stupid yellows or reds like they two dicks do.
Did they not get heavy fines for this ? :greengrin
We'll, I've just watched the first half and Inverness were just bigger and better. All of this "being kicked off the park" is a load of garbage. If anything, the cheats are going down like dying swans and were lucky not to see two reds: one for a two footed lunge by their number 8 and McHattie had a clear swing at someone. ICT are mixing it but they are no worse than the cheats.
It's just excuses and it's the old trick of saying something over and over again until you believe it.
Always find it amusing when people have stayed on their sofa but then imply they were at the ground when talking about a football match.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS44
2 things..........
If you're quoting from Kickback please put it in quotes. Otherwise we'll just think YOU'RE extremely stupid :wink:
And...... is this really the thread for them anyway??
Surprised he can see the keyboard with his Ma's knickers on his napper.Quote:
Originally Posted by einstein
Filthy filthy lot.
Big thanks to Bet365 for the very generous evens for an ICT win.
Proving a very profitable season betting against the Saviles.
Kind Regards.
If he thinks he's seen some **** players in the last 50 years watching hearts then I've got news for him, you ain't seen nothing yet my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Feed the jambos
let them know its Christmas time
Anyone listen to Sportsound on Friday ? Heard Brian McLaughlin ask Golden Gary a question at the yams presser "Huv ye asked the SFA aboot getting some respite and trying to sign a couple of players ?"
What part of admin/transfer embargo/common decency does this journalist not get?
Thats what this concerted propaganda campaign re only having 12 players has been about. BDO already appealed for clemency & this shameless outfit will try anything. Hard to blame them, many of their lies have been swallowed whole so far, eg self sufficiency, it was a big boy did it. Incidentally for a team with only 12 players they brought on 3 subs yesterday who have been semi regulars all season. Now how does that equate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
BDO are past masters at all this propaganda bull. Getting something for nothing is what they are good at.
The lack of players will be mentioned at every press conference until Jan 31st. Other sympathetic managers' comments will be wheeled out (step forward Jeffries, McCoist and Hartley etc)Tthe media will lay it on thick, Sportsound will be a bleatfest from Richard Gordon, Preston, Robertson, Dodds and English.
Not once will the fact that they haven't even completed shafting people for the £28m yet, they are still in the process of it:rolleyes:
I live for the day when the authorities actually get tough with a team. Tell them "pay your, debts, tax , vat etc and you can sign someone" failing that "if you persist peddling the tripe that you don't have enough players you will be docked 3 points for every fixture you fail to fulfill."
Injuries would clear up pretty soon but I won't hold my breath.:cb
A match is played by 2 teams , each consisting of not more than 11 players , one of whom is the goalkeeper . A match may not start if either team consists of fewer than 7 players .Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
A lot more injuries to go then :greengrin
Cue players being trotted out to the bench on crutches and in head bandages to elicit sympathy :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Totally agree!!. Lately they've never missed a chance in each and every interview- "I'm/We are not making excuses BUT ....". It can't be far off the time when they'll have the neck to go public with a heart-rendering plea - let's hope the authorities show them the same compassion and thought the jambos gave Dundee FC when their lying relegated them !!Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
If the media assisted campaign to get the SFA to allow Hearts to sign players is successful, it`ll be interesting to see exactly how BDO propose to pay any new arrivals. They can barely pay their current employees and a one out, one in policy wont actually make any difference to the player numbers....
And what happens if the bending of the rules results in Ross County or some other team getting relegated and the Cheats staying up.
It's McLaughlin, remember. Doesn't look like the sharpest tool in the box. Trust me, looks don't deceive. Oddly, he is actually a complete tool as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
He's desperate, he's a Jambo and he's a fud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone