Did he not reject us last year? :greengrin :wink:Quote:
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Did he not reject us last year? :greengrin :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by lewis_1875
Think so but different 'manager' this time round if that would do anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Yammish....Quote:
Originally Posted by fergy
Maybe not exciting to you, but a midfielder who wont be bullied (as PF says), excites me, especially as our midfield last season had a habit of rolling over and getting their bellies tickled.....We have been crying out for a hard midfielder for a long time....Quote:
Originally Posted by fergy
Farid El Alagui 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by lewis_1875
Is Deegan part of the legion of Irish players fenlon is bringing in...
Yammish?Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskyhibby
I asked if it was the same player, our midfield needed a player like deegan, however I was just asking if he was really the player that the PMs were going on about.
My understanding is that deegan is a tough tackling, hard working midfield general. Which is different from an exciting attacking midfielder.
I was not questioning the signing of deegan at all.
I'm happy with the signing and completely agree with you. I'm not trying to dispute whether or not deegan is going to be a good buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
I was merely asking if he is the player that the PMs were talking about, as they described him as an attacking mid
Part of his extremely small networkQuote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
Tell us about it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoltonHibee
Who are the legion of Irish players Fenlon is bringing in ..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
Doyle,McPake and now Deegan :wink: add to the Irish loan players last season he seem to have an eye for his countrymen :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by happyhibbie
Hardly a legion though is it ..?.:tee hee:..what about Cairney, Williams & Griffiths..did they sneak in the door when Fenlon was having a nap ..?Quote:
Originally Posted by H18sry
McPake isn't one of Fenlon's countrymen either, given that he was born in Bellshill and qualifies for Northern Ireland through a grandparent.
The amount of anti Irish nonsense is embarassing. Wrap it up as you like but there's far more comment about him and certain players being Irish than you'd get with an English manager bringing in English players for example.
and James McPake's hardly Irish, he's from Glasgow! Had an granny from Belfast qualified him to play for NI as he knew signing for Hibs Potter would never pick him for his homeland:agree:
Oops just seen post from Eyrie, beat me to it!
Agreed. The Irish are who some Scots like to belittle to enable them to accept our own limitations.
Made this point about an English manager the other day Andy. Crazy like. It happens to be the market he knows. I'm quite comfortable with our manager bringing in players that he's seen dozens of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Whats with all this anti-Irish comments creeping into the threads ? So what , we have an Irish manager, a few players who qualify for Irish international team, big deal. Personally I don't care what nationality/colour/religion/whatever they are - only care about how well they play FOOTBALL - which by the way has no nationality/colour/religion. Get over it - this is a football forum.
I think you will find a lot of them are meant to be sarcastic, in response to a few earlier comments posted about Fenlons signing strategy before the window had even opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric.hibsfan
think hibs wouldn't pay for loan st johnstone didQuote:
Originally Posted by lewis_1875
I take it you all missed the sarcastic :wink: in my post :rolleyes:
My post was not meant to be serious... You guys need to realise this.
And how exactly were folk supposed to know you were not being serious ..?..:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
Great statement! Folks really should know that the Scots are Irish!Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
Or so his wife says...Quote:
Originally Posted by BoltonHibee
Well it was meant to be sarcastic, which is hard to convey on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by happyhibbie
Aw ..ok then ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
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Originally Posted by MrSmith
:confused: Strange statement.
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Originally Posted by Andy74
If a manager came in from Germany, Holland, Italy or Spain, then of course fans would be more excited and positive than if you appoint a manager from the Irish League who starts signing players who have played there. It's not so much a case of people being anti-Irish, more the case that if you have come in, like Fenlon, and gotten off to a poor start as manager, and then sign players from a country that isn't producing many good players at the moment, of course fans are going to be negative and mention the common-link at some point.
If we were winning games, nobody would even bring it up.
Who has Fenlon signed from the Irish leagues ..?...Doyle was direct from Irish football but others have been signed/loaned from English championship teams ..:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sesoim
A manager from one of those countries might have a basic grasp of tactics and a eye for a player. PF quite clearly has neither...Quote:
Originally Posted by sesoim
Historically the Scots or Scotti where settlers from Ireland who set up home in our fine land becoming the Land of the Scots or Scot's Land finally Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesoim
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Scotland
Accidentally started a debate as to whether fenlon only brings in Irish players. Has he any history with Deegan?
Jeezo ..yer right facinated wi Fenlon & Irish players ...:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
Griffiths, Cairney, Kujabi & Williams are NOT Irish ..so thats your theory blown right oot the windae ...
bohemians manager and the guy played for him,,,i think
bt
We could have appointed a tried and tested SPL manager like Jimmy Calderwood but I recall that suggestion didnt go down too well on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9dream
Would rather Rangers were in the SPL than Jimmy Calderwood was our manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Falcon
McPake, Williams and Cairney so far. Doyle looked good when he get the ball to feet. Clancy will grow in that role.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9dream
Either you're trolling or you can't spot a player.
:giruy:
Ah yes, that esteemed, evidenced-based tome of knowledge :rolleyes: :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by MrSmith
Oh yes! http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/greengrin2.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by FranckSuzy
here:
http://www.archaeology.org/0107/abstracts/scotland.html
http://www.electricscotland.com/hist...scotsirish.htm
in contrast here:
http://irishtribesman.blogspot.co.uk...m-ireland.html
In the middle here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/educat...ckground.shtml
Didn't know Hasselbank signed for St.Johnstone, always rated him :\
I know I know. I'm not sure anyone could successfully argue he has only signed Irish players.Quote:
Originally Posted by happyhibbie
That's the last thing we need at Hibs is someone with his level of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Top 4 finishes every year, last 32 of Europa cup against Bayern Munich.
Definitely don't want any of that carry on round here. Much better to muddle on with the likes of Fenlon.
I sometimes think some folk prefer us to be crap.
Randomly interrupting the thread to drag it back on topic, but any word on Maybury or Forsyth signing for us?
Not long till the AGM - he might be in with a shout if our current manager continues his embarrassing attempt at getting us to play something that looks like football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
:top marks Whilst I wouldn't have been jumping for joy at the time if Hibs had gone for Fat Jimmy, I totally agree with your comments. I remember Gordon Strachan once being asked what makes a good manager and he said "experience", not that he is the great oracle or anything but he should know better than most. Having managed, been managed and played for top teams in England and Scotland. PF had no experience of either managing or playing at anything like this level and it surprises me where people got their optimism from. I hope he can still turn the corner because I think this is it, take it or leave it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I dont think its all the managers fault.
We dont pay the wages to sign good players. How much waa Sauzee on 10k?
We really need to get a 2-3 good experienced players or we will be relegated! We play stephens at cebtre half but have experience in ohanlon. We lose oconnor our top scorer but dont :cbreplace him. We get rid of osbourne and put cairnie in his place....we still dont have a midfld. It aint looking gdand even the manager has said as much. We look worse than last season!!!
should have added hope im wrong....
Its never just one persons fault and yes we are worse than last year. However, why don't we forget Hibs budget and get Fenlon to work with St Mirren's, Motherwell's or Dundee Utd's budget and see how he likes that? Worth a thought?Quote:
Originally Posted by gegs70
Yep I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Emerald
But they seem to manage to get better players through the door. Hasselbnk was a decentvplayer but went to st johnstone? Hayes went to Aberdeen?
Don't post very often at all but I think people need to take a step back. PF has been given very little financial backing yet the expectation is for him to have completely transformed the team that ended the season - mission impossible. We were terrible today and PF knows that. Surely now Petrie will see that if he doesn't invest he will lose a considerable amount via tickets when we are playing first division football next term.
Also think PF has to turn to youth. Why not throw Smith in at LB? Play Stanton? Granted we need a target man and a winger, but I think it's time for us to all stand together.
GGTTH.
In Pat wee Trust. :wink: :casper: :cb
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambo1875
I don't have trust in pat at all now.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Maybe it's to do with the fans and atmosphere at Easter Road, funny how none of the players we have signed are from the SPL even although we have been in for themQuote:
Originally Posted by gegs70
[cough] ClancyQuote:
Originally Posted by whiskyhibby
Thought I'd post a rumour on here...............just to be different likes. :greengrin
According to Agent Scotland on twitter we are back in for Cillian Sheridan.
It's a while since we were linked with Sandaza, but he's set to sign for Sevco for £5k a week. After tax.
They're still trying to tie up Beattie and Kevin Kyle too.
They shouldn't be allowed to sign anyone, talk about the SPL being unfair the third division will be a mockery, SFL and SPL have a lot to answer for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
All fair and well saying that but those clubs dont need a complete first team overhaul...Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerald
Hearing sandaza has signed for "The Rangers Football Club".
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Originally Posted by Hibs7
There will be league reconstruction and der hun will be back up in 2 years. :wink:
You mean zombie huns :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deek01
ggtth
:lips seal:lips sealQuote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
Apparently rejected dundee and between Hibs and St Johnstone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
That's forsyth I'm talking about, no idea on Maybury.
They playing a 2-3-5 formation or something?!? CrazyQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
They'll need some amount of rope to tie up those flabby bassas Hugh ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Fenlon saying post match yesterday that whilst he hoped to add more faces this week nothing was close, didn't sound like there were many irons in the fire.
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Originally Posted by S.sct
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Originally Posted by Del Boy
Cheers :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibstrooper
Look at the lack of SPL signings - we are ahead of most. But the SPL has the further disadvantage that it starts well before English leagues which paying more will have players waiting to see if they get offers from there first before they then consider the SPL as a back up...not ideal but its the financial situation we live in.
Hopefully another couple like Williams will take account of other things like facilities / Edinburgh / our potential :rolleyes: where there is not huge financial differences
Just heard a whopper. Goodwillie to Hearts.............:applause:
Ooops forgot that one :-))Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
What about Deeko is he not a free transfer right now he could partner Griffiths up front:top marks
GGTTH !!:flag:
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Originally Posted by Hibstrooper
To be fair nobody seen Deegan coming.
True but in the days before Fenlon was saying he was close with one. He is pretty open so when he saying nothing is close I'd be really surprised to see someone else this weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
There is something seriously wrong at hibs, petrie and co know that we are in desperate need of reinforcements yet as per usual **** all is being done about it.............free transfers and sub standard signings seem to be the norm for us.........hearts have been seriously weekened yet are still a far stronger team than us,.......surely it would make more buisness sense bringing in 2 or 3 big signings in order to sell more season tickets. If we finished second or third then we could make the money back
There is something seriously wrong at hibs, petrie and co know that we are in desperate need of reinforcements yet as per usual **** all is being done about it.............free transfers and sub standard signings seem to be the norm for us.........hearts have been seriously weekened yet are still a far stronger team than us,.......surely it would make more buisness sense bringing in 2 or 3 big signings in order to sell more season tickets. If we finished second or third then we could make the money back
Yes you are right but the time to have done it to max ST sales was a month ago, not when the season has already started. We are now left trying to arrange deals as the transfer window deadline approaches with players that have not been signed by anybody else!! Worrying times.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
We did have players signed a month ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by LancsHibs
Our problem is we need a lot of them and getting the right quality of players to come to us or to Scotland just now is not easy.
Fenlon has said in the last few days that 3 or 4 real quality players have turned us down. We can only keep at it but what we don't need right now is just to sign anyone for the sake of having bodies in so he needs to get on with working through the list of people he does want.
We've had to be patient and persistent with the likes of Deegan, Williams, McPake and Griffiths whilst if you went with the approach on here these guys would have had to be passed by as we chased people who would have been able to sign there and then.
I'd love five new players today the same as anyone but there's no point maoning about it when the guys involved are aware but actually have to work with the reality of getting it done.
Any word on Maybury, Kerr and Sheridan yet?
Define a big signing. The one signing that many were demanding was that of James McPake. Motherwell couldn't afford to match our offer for Clancy, a good solid performer in the SPL. We have paid a fee for Deegan and he will be on a decent wage. I think we are well short of having the players we need at the club but to suggest that **** all is being done is absolute nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
Befroe McPake signed a permanent deal the argument was that it would be sound business sense to snap him up in terms of season ticket sales. How many do you think renewed on the back of that? Think back to other 'marquee' signings. How many extra season tickets were sold when Stokes arrived? I am willing to bet you that it wasn't enough to cover his wages. Nothing in Scottish football ever makes sound business sense except to the lunatics who want somebody else to spend money for them.
I bloody hope not, the lee Miller rumour has also went a bit quiet?Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
It was clear to see at the end of last season that a complete restructure of the team was required. Not blaming Fenlon if he hasn't been backed and 'real quality players' are turning us down but it is showing a lack of ambition and shortsightedness that we have started the season with flops from last season in the starring 11 like Stephens, Stevenson, Wotherspoon & Sproule! As I say worrying times! I just hope that Pat is able to bring in players that are better than the above named and not just however we we can find last minute who will come to Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It's not marquee signings that get folk back to the games, it's those 'marquee' signings stepping up to the plate and putting in performances week in week out.
Fenlon has been left with all these guys still being under contract though, along with the likes of O'Hanlon and Galbraith.Quote:
Originally Posted by LancsHibs
He's shown last year they wouldn't all be playing for him if he had a choice.
He is trying to get better and it's taking some time, we've signed six decent players, which is more than most teams but the scale of what we are trying to do is an issue.
Yes, we are fed up of being told to be patient but a rebuild this size isn't going to take place in a matter of weeks.
At the time of the SPL vote most were saying they could accept a new reality and - what a load of tosh that was, one game in and it's clear that we want everything delivered today.
Dont think thats the case, not for me anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I would have accepted a loss if we showed some level of improvement.....some ability with the ball, some creativity, some drive, some passion
we showed none of that on Sunday
Not one shot on target tells its own story
We weren't going to get much of that with about 5 players who couldn't get their game for the team that finished second bottom last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I am finding it frustrating like everyone else but agree with Andy74.
I tend to think that, prior to close season signings being made, there was no-one at the club that PF would consider as definitely 1st team quality.
I'd like to think that some of the youngsters will make the step up - I do think Booth has got what it takes and I was impressed with Caldwell against Huddersfield. I haven't seen Stanton or Scott Smith but hopefully they can progress too. From the Huddersfield game Handling looks a bit away from it at the moment IMO.
However, it's not ideal to throw loads of kids in at once - especially when the team's under pressure.
I am encouraged by the signings that Fenlon has made. Williams, Clancy, McPake, Cairney and Griffiths all look good quality so far and hopefully Deegan too. However, because of where we started from there is still a massive job to do and, IMO, at least three quality players are required for us to be talking top six.
I keep thinking back to Mowbrays first league game, a 1-0 home loss to Kilmarnock (Boyd Freekick). We'd been a mess under Williamson for a while and everyone still had the 'who' and 'whats he done' tags on Mowbray. I remember leaving that game convinced we'd have a good season because of the drive and the fact we dominated Kilmarnock that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Mowbray said the same on the season review DVD, that after that 90 minutes, he knew his team was ready. I've not seen that 'readiness' from any hibs team since. We always start the season miles behind everyone else in preperation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Iwelumo
Been told he can leave Watford. Bags of experience and age shouldn't be too much of an issue given his style of play. Worth a punt :hmmm:
Ive always really liked Iwelumo, think he gets a bit of a hard time off people. Isnt a prolific goalscorer but he hasnt went through decent spells at clubs. Getting on a bit at 34 but he would well be worth a year or two imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibstrooper
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Originally Posted by Andy74
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Originally Posted by Callum_62
I totally agree Callum. It's even more worrying that there is still no evidence that the team is capable of putting the opposition (any opposition), under sustained pressure for a period of time.
Yes:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibstrooper
This is just a thought.
Let us assume, for arguments sake, that PF gets in 2 more players before the window closes. We then see a very gradual improvement in comparison to last season, get a couple more faces added in January and then finish, say, 9th.
Would this be acceptable?
The way I read some of the posts on this thread people are, on the one hand, saying the PF has a massive rebuilding job to do but, on the other hand, seem to want a top 6 squad in place before the end of August. I just don’t think that’s realistic. Provided we can get some continuity and stability within the squad personnel, steadily build it over a 3-4 year period (yes, it may take that long or even longer) then we may have to reserve judgment for some time yet.
Having said all of that, if we do continue to change the manager the night before every AGM then none if this is ever going to happen. I’m not saying that getting rid of CC was the wrong move but at some point I do think we are going to have to accept that change will not happen in the space of one transfer window and that if we do see improvement, however small, then we should probably stick with whoever is taking us on that course, otherwise we’ll just end up an infinite loop of restructure and re-building.
On the point highlighted, we do appear to have paid a fee for Deegan.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
Though officially 'undisclosed', press sources down in Coventry are putting the fee at around £100k. That's a lot for us for bringing someone in on a one year contract.
So the bonus from the Bamba sell-on from Leicester City seems to have been re-invested in Deegan.
Top 6 this season should be exactly what Hibs are aiming to achieve, minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by goosefat
When you look around the Rangers-free SPL, Motherwell, Kilmarnock, St Mirren, St Johnstone are all, for me, significantly weakened. Hibernian had the chance to rebuild and start afresh.
'Well losing Jennings and Clancy and not being able to add is telling. Last season they led a charmed life with regards injuries and suspensions. Kilmarnock lost Deano and released a few, only to my knowledge adding Rory Boulding of note. Saints lost Sandaza, Morris, Sheridan......Tade and Hasselbaink don't fill that void for me. St Mirren have even been weakened and not been able to add.
Aberdeen added a couple of good players and have a competitive looking squad - Dundee United are streets ahead of the rest, yet with injuries to Daly/Russell or GMS who knows what the season will bring. Hearts, despite I thought looking average, always muster up steely squads and Tynecastle is always good for them.
Hibernian need to get into the good habit of preparing for the new season weeks before the current one ends, and have players signed up, fit and ready to go, first kick of the season. Instead we add on last days of the window, rushed/panic signings, nothing long term agreed. They also need to look at the creative aspect of the team - that is what excites fans and brings them back, even if there is a defeat. Bums of seat players, with pace and a touch of 'what's he going to do next'.
Can anyone for example remember the last truly gifted and skilful Hibs winger ? Has anyone replaced Latapy in the central area as a consistently good, dazzling centre mid ?
Maybe it's because I was a midfielder that I remember as a kid wanting to be Ally MacLeod, Gordon Strachan, Andy Ritchie, Dalglish or a Davie Cooper. Players who when they got the ball they nearly always did something with it and had you going to the park afterwards and trying to do it.
If I wanted to do a David Wotherspoon impression nowadays for example I would simply have to have someone throw a ball to me and watch it bounce off my foot straight out of play !
Pace, width and some bloody skill - get it sorted Petrie :greengrin
Correction: that should read "throw a ball at my neck and watch it bounce straight out of play."Quote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
:tee hee:
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