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14-12-2015, 09:13 PM
Deansy

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/cha...ast-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.

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'We discussed the importance to Rangers and Scottish Football of repairing and improving the relationship between our club, the Scottish Football Authorities and our fellow clubs in Scotland'

If this is genuine, then why issue a recent statement stating they will fight any attempt at title-stripping ??.If they really wanted all that's stated in this 'letter'then all they have to do is voluntarily relinquish all the (now tarnished)
trophies\titles they illegally and immorally 'won' and take out full-page adverts in all the main newspapers, and apologise for all the shame and disgrace they've brought to this country and game.
14-12-2015, 09:27 PM
Jim44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deansy

'We discussed the importance to Rangers and Scottish Football of repairing and improving the relationship between our club, the Scottish Football Authorities and our fellow clubs in Scotland'

If this is genuine, then why issue a recent statement stating they will fight any attempt at title-stripping ??.If they really wanted all that's stated in this 'letter'then all they have to do is voluntarily relinquish all the (now tarnished)
trophies\titles they illegally and immorally 'won' and take out full-page adverts in all the main newspapers, and apologise for all the shame and disgrace they've brought to this country and game.

This is the extreme antithesis of a huge part of their support who, for the last 3/4 years have vowed, when back in the top flight, to do everything in their power to exact utter revenge on all the clubs who 'caused their downfall'. Even the lying king, with all his (probably false) bonhomie, will not change the mind-set of his clubs muppets. Stuff them.
14-12-2015, 10:18 PM
Ozyhibby

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/sums-sevco-style/

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15-12-2015, 05:56 AM
gorgie greens

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/sums-sevco-style/

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the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.
15-12-2015, 06:39 AM
Onion

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Originally Posted by gorgie greens

the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.

Depends what you mean by strengthen. With a player budget 4 times that of Hibs, all Warburton needs to do is find the right mix of players to win this league. He doesn't need to spend more money, just spend whatever he can get effectively. So if he can move one or two of the higher paid players on (or for money), he might find cheaper players but a better balance. One things for sure, Sevco's squad is thin with some key pieces missing (in midfield) and far from assured of winning any league, so the pressure on them to do SOMETHING is huge.

That's why they need Reagan and Doncaster will dress up as Santa this year and hand Sevco a "Go to Prem" card before it looks contrived :wink:
15-12-2015, 07:20 AM
brog

[QUOTE=gorgie greens;4523416]the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.[/QUOT

They've paid as much of the £5m as they have of the £250k fine levied on them after the LNS whitewash. Ie, zip!
15-12-2015, 08:00 AM
greenginger

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-tells-7012206

Lee Wallace bigging up the Rangers in this mornings Daily ******.

I wonder if they are all familiar with Trigger's gun toting past .:greengrin
15-12-2015, 08:09 AM
Jim44

They've paid as much of the £5m as they have of the £250k fine levied on them after the LNS whitewash. Ie, zip!

While you're probably/possibly right, we don't know for sure how much, if any of the £5m has been paid. We are all sceptical about everything Sevco and we all wish them the worst but a lot of what's being banded about stems from or is reinforced, whether accurately or not, by the bloggers, who are blinkered and driven by their own agendas and prejudices. Like everbody, I initially thought these guys were a breath of fresh air but I've started to curb my enthusiasm for their diatribes.
15-12-2015, 08:11 AM
Ozyhibby

I don't think they have a player budget 4 times that of Hibs. I think Stubbs was being a bit mischievous there, knowing that Warburton or anyone from Rangers would deny it as they need their fans to believe they are still as big as Celtic.
They signed a couple of decent players who have had a great start but are starting to fade already and they don't have a squad big enough. I don't expect January reinforcements.

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15-12-2015, 08:13 AM
Brunswickbill

Quote:

Originally Posted by gorgie greens

the £3.000.000 to £7.500.000 needed , the main thing about this is no one knows are these conservative amounts ?
The so called £5 million for MA they claimed in court to have been paid , which was later said that they are £500.000 short
so am i right in saying they have paid the £4.500.000 off already or are they waiting till they get the remainder of the money before paying that debt off, or do they even have the £4.500.000 to begin with at all.
The first priority should be to make sure they can finish the season.
Next should be to make sure they get back in the top tier
Once back in the promised land they can then address MA loan as there revenue will go up.

i dont think they will strengthen their team in transfer window if anything i can see guys moving out and being replaced with cheaper options but knowing the huns they will spend money they dont have.

I would think that they'll have to pay the whole £5M to release themselves from the conditions of the loan. You can't get 90% of the security on the SECVO property back. I suspect that the paying off of the loan is an effort to assuage MA/SD with pressure being exerted from SFA/SPFL. But even if/when they pay off the loan they still have to deal with MA/SD as there appears to be a 7 year notoification for the termination of the retail contract. Also the document posted by Ozz indicates that there are mechanisms whereby SD could buy control of the joint enterprise. Clearly the whole thing has become very personal between MA and DK and rational discussion has probably gone out the window. So who knows what the next steps will be.

In relation to the 4 times larger player budget, presumably this is largely tied up with overblown wages being paid to existing players. It's not as if all of the the budget is liquid and available to buy in new players. I would think that the players that they have will want to stay put as they are, with perhaps a couple of exceptions, at best very average players who wouldn't get the same pay at other clubs.
15-12-2015, 08:14 AM
Ozyhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim44

They've paid as much of the £5m as they have of the £250k fine levied on them after the LNS whitewash. Ie, zip!

While you're probably/possibly right, we don't know for sure how much, if any of the £5m has been paid. We are all sceptical about everything Sevco and we all wish them the worst but a lot of what's being banded about stems from or is reinforced, whether accurately or not, by the bloggers, who are blinkered and driven by their own agendas and prejudices. Like everbody, I initially thought these guys were a breath of fresh air but I've started to curb my enthusiasm for their diatribes.

They have paid zero of the £5m to Sports Direct. This was confirmed by Grant Russell of STV.
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15-12-2015, 08:15 AM
andrew70

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-tells-7012206

Lee Wallace bigging up the Rangers in this mornings Daily ******.

I wonder if they are all familiar with Trigger's gun toting past .:greengrin

Read that earlier. Should be pinned up on the dressing room wall. Time to show them who really is the best.
15-12-2015, 08:22 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They have paid zero of the £5m to Sports Direct. This was confirmed by Grant Russell of STV.
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I can't see any incentive for Sevco paying back the £5m bit by bit. It's not like SD will show them any goodwill for doing so, so it would make sense to wait until they've got the full amount.

I do find it unbelievable, though, that Sevco told a court they had paid the money back if they have not done so. I guess 'glib and shameless' was pretty accurate.
15-12-2015, 08:24 AM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Read that earlier. Should be pinned up on the dressing room wall. Time to show them who really is the best.

What with their criminal Chairman and a gun toting club captain,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/5319592.stm

Pity they got shot of the Islamaphobic director, could have had a full-house ! :greengrin
15-12-2015, 08:26 AM
Dashing Bob S

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I don't think they have a player budget 4 times that of Hibs. I think Stubbs was being a bit mischievous there, knowing that Warburton or anyone from Rangers would deny it as they need their fans to believe they are still as big as Celtic.
They signed a couple of decent players who have had a great start but are starting to fade already and they don't have a squad big enough. I don't expect January reinforcements.

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I agree, and I think that they are also handicapped by their recent history of paying over the odds for players who are okay by Scottish standards, but still not very good. Agents see them as an easy mark, and they are too full of themselves not to pay the bigger money for donkeys.
15-12-2015, 08:33 AM
Libby Hibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-tells-7012206

Lee Wallace bigging up the Rangers in this mornings Daily ******.

I wonder if they are all familiar with Trigger's gun toting past .:greengrin

Must be brilliant to have a propaganda mouthpiece the size of the records to distort the truth...forget the poor form, forget, the dropped points and forget the directors court cases...but roll out a 'we're better than the rest' article to appease the orks...somebody has got them rattled and I love it!!!
15-12-2015, 08:36 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Libby Hibby

Must be brilliant to have a propaganda mouthpiece the size of the records to distort the truth...forget the poor form, forget, the dropped points and forget the directors court cases...but roll out a 'we're better than the rest' article to appease the orks...somebody has got them rattled and I love it!!!

Darren MacGregor should have a word. Time for Wallace to put in a transfer request so that he can join his boyhood heroes.
15-12-2015, 08:41 AM
brog

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They have paid zero of the £5m to Sports Direct. This was confirmed by Grant Russell of STV.
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Thanks, beat me to it! Just how do they continue to get away with this?
15-12-2015, 08:43 AM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

I agree, and I think that they are also handicapped by their recent history of paying over the odds for players who are okay by Scottish standards, but still not very good. Agents see them as an easy mark, and they are too full of themselves not to pay the bigger money for donkeys.

Ranger's accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at just under £14 million and detail first team squad costs at £ 6.5 million.

Hibs accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at £ 3.4 million, and guessing the same percentage ( 46% ) attributable to first team would give our costs as £ 1.56 million.

That's less than a quarter of the Ranger's costs.
15-12-2015, 09:53 AM
1875godsgift

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Originally Posted by Col2

Yes 7 mins from £240!! Ridiculous odds!

Must admit I stuck a sneaky muff on it too after seeing your initial post! Crazy odds!
It was worth it for the few minutes of excitement ☺
15-12-2015, 10:53 AM
Cropley10

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenginger

Ranger's accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at just under £14 million and detail first team squad costs at £ 6.5 million.

Hibs accounts show staff costs for 14/15 at £ 3.4 million, and guessing the same percentage ( 46% ) attributable to first team would give our costs as £ 1.56 million.

That's less than a quarter of the Ranger's costs.

Second highest squad cost behind Celtc.

Loving the fact that their costs are greater than their income, there is no war-chest, spending on lawyers and not players, which could well mean there's players and even a manager, going out in the January window.

But, we shouldn't worry - the SFA will increase the size of the top league if the worst should happen...
15-12-2015, 11:31 AM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Cropley10

Second highest squad cost behind Celtc.

Loving the fact that their costs are greater than their income, there is no war-chest, spending on lawyers and not players, which could well mean there's players and even a manager, going out in the January window.

But, we shouldn't worry - the SFA will increase the size of the top league if the worst should happen...

Lots of people said that last year and they can't do it unless almost all clubs agree.
15-12-2015, 11:44 AM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Cropley10

Second highest squad cost behind Celtc.

Loving the fact that their costs are greater than their income, there is no war-chest, spending on lawyers and not players, which could well mean there's players and even a manager, going out in the January window.

But, we shouldn't worry - the SFA will increase the size of the top league if the worst should happen...

Ain't in their gift. :cb
15-12-2015, 11:54 AM
jacomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/cha...ast-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.

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If this is genuine, sounds like a job for Petrie. Leeann's got a job to do, don't want her wasting her time with glib and shameless liars.

Mind you, if Dave King invites you to lunch, you'd really want to check he hasn't left his wallet in the car before you sat down.
15-12-2015, 01:21 PM
Brunswickbill

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Originally Posted by greenginger

First one up is this Wednesday. Chuckie Green appealing against decision not to award him legal expenses for his court cases.

http://www.sfm.scot/lns-a-summary/?cid=24598
15-12-2015, 03:14 PM
Moulin Yarns

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603
15-12-2015, 04:20 PM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

Wonder if they'll put The rangers on the cup if they win it. Got to get it right for their first cup final win. They must be all excited.
15-12-2015, 04:27 PM
Lucius Apuleius

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

:confused: Why?
15-12-2015, 04:51 PM
hibs0666

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

How come? They have never even played at Hampden. :confused:
15-12-2015, 04:52 PM
jonty

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

How come? They have never even played at Hampden. :confused:

The cynic in me would sing:

money money money money. money.

Bigger gate receipts?
15-12-2015, 04:59 PM
stantonhibby

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

How come? They have never even played at Hampden. :confused:

Played Celtic there in a semi final a couple of years ago? 1st Feb this year actually.
15-12-2015, 04:59 PM
hibs0666

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonty

The cynic in me would sing:

money money money money. money.

Bigger gate receipts?

The choice of stadium allows everyone that wants to see the game to be there - that's got to be a good thing surely.
15-12-2015, 04:59 PM
Ozyhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by hibs0666

How come? They have never even played at Hampden. :confused:

Played Celtic there a couple of months back.

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15-12-2015, 05:04 PM
jacomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

Decent pay day for The Rangers. I'm sure the cash injection will as welcome as the glory of playing in a tin pot final... wait, it's not until 10 April? Wow. That's a bit of a wait.
15-12-2015, 05:09 PM
Sergey

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

Decent pay day for The Rangers. I'm sure the cash injection will as welcome as the glory of playing in a tin pot final... wait, it's not until 10 April? Wow. That's a bit of a wait.

SEVCO (or any other team) don't see the cup prize-money until after the season's end anyway. They could play the match tomorrow and they still wouldn't see a penny.

I'm sure if they really needed the money, then the authorities would without doubt advance them it rather than see them go into admin again.
15-12-2015, 05:13 PM
Ozyhibby

http://www.espnfc.com/twente-ensched...or-three-years

What happens when an FA is not corrupt.

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15-12-2015, 05:20 PM
MKHIBEE

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

Decent pay day for The Rangers. I'm sure the cash injection will as welcome as the glory of playing in a tin pot final... wait, it's not until 10 April? Wow. That's a bit of a wait.

its an even better pay day for Peterhead,relatively speaking.
15-12-2015, 06:21 PM
gorgie greens

Quote:

Originally Posted by hibs0666

How come? They have never even played at Hampden. :confused:

They played Queen's Park on there way up the leagues
16-12-2015, 09:17 AM
greenginger

https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman?lang=en

Chuckie Green V Sevco.

Fixture rearranged for 29th January.
16-12-2015, 10:47 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by greenginger

https://twitter.com/jamesdoleman?lang=en

Chuckie Green V Sevco.

Fixture rearranged for 29th January.

Looks like Charlie won the right to a full appeal hearing. Also new charges against Charlie. Wonder if those new charges are covered by his termination contract?

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16-12-2015, 10:53 AM
Salt N Sauzee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

I see the Petrofac cup final venue favours the young club.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35105603

It's only a 360 mile round trip to Hampden for Peterhead FC and their fans. Makes complete sense.
16-12-2015, 10:56 AM
scoopyboy

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Originally Posted by Salt N Sauzee

It's only a 360 mile round trip to Hampden for Peterhead FC and their fans. Makes complete sense.

Yes, especially as Peterhead also asked for Hampden as the venue.
16-12-2015, 10:59 AM
Hibee87

Are we really that paranoid now that we think its only at hampden so rangers get more money? :confused:
16-12-2015, 01:05 PM
Gingertosser

It might help us.

I'm sure by 10th April they will wish they never had this game to play.

The fact they would have sold thousands of tickets means they would still have to play a full strength team.

Hopefully, they slip up around this time.
16-12-2015, 03:56 PM
Springbank

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Looks like Charlie won the right to a full appeal hearing. Also new charges against Charlie. Wonder if those new charges are covered by his termination contract?

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Importantly, from our point of view, this introduces an unavoidable financial risk for the rifc board that sits right at the end of the transfer window.

should see the warb chest remain shut this season
16-12-2015, 04:19 PM
jacomo

[QUOTE=Gingertosser;4524061]It might help us.

I'm sure by 10th April they will wish they never had this game to play.

The fact they would have sold thousands of tickets means they would still have to play a full strength team.

Hopefully, they slip up around this time.[QUOTE]

You are being harsh! What about poor Swally's efforts to win a cup for both of the Rangers teams he managed? So many attempts, zero successes.

This first trophy would no doubt mean a lot to this young club.
16-12-2015, 04:24 PM
Just Alf

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Originally Posted by Springbank

Importantly, from our point of view, this introduces an unavoidable financial risk for the rifc board that sits right at the end of the transfer window.

should see the warb chest remain shut this season

I was thinking exactly this! ..... here's hoping :agree:

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16-12-2015, 05:01 PM
Deansy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Springbank

Importantly, from our point of view, this introduces an unavoidable financial risk for the rifc board that sits right at the end of the transfer window.

should see the warb chest remain shut this season

Along with his mouth - respectively !
16-12-2015, 05:45 PM
Ozyhibby

http://thecelticblog.com/2015/12/blo...gpA7e2HyMp3.97

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16-12-2015, 07:35 PM
Deansy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

http://thecelticblog.com/2015/12/blo...gpA7e2HyMp3.97

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Abysmal and a disgrace though no shock that the people allegedly in charge of our game/clubs can't wait until everything's 'as it was' until the Hun got caught - hell mend them, they have been well warned.
16-12-2015, 08:15 PM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by Deansy

Abysmal and a disgrace though no shock that the people allegedly in charge of our game/clubs can't wait until everything's 'as it was' until the Hun got caught - hell mend them, they have been well warned.

Was it Aberdeen that voted to preserve the OF voting veto? Seems incredible.
16-12-2015, 08:30 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Was it Aberdeen that voted to preserve the OF voting veto? Seems incredible.

I've not read that link but I thought the old firm veto was lost when the spl was scrapped? As it's all spfl now, they're just two out of 42 votes instead of 2 out of 12?
16-12-2015, 08:55 PM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by bingo70

I've not read that link but I thought the old firm veto was lost when the spl was scrapped? As it's all spfl now, they're just two out of 42 votes instead of 2 out of 12?

Wasn't in the link just have some recollection of Aberdeen voting to preserve the voting structure previously which favoured OF.
16-12-2015, 09:15 PM
Ozyhibby

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16-12-2015, 10:21 PM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Bit of a wordy rant, but he's got a point. How is it that Rangers can persistently break clear and unambiguous rules on declaring full details of all player contracts and get away with it?
17-12-2015, 05:35 AM
Moulin Yarns

Saw this elsewhere, a few contracts ending in January.

Dominic Ball – January 2016 (loan period expired),
Nicky Law – January 2016 (end contract),
Gedion Zelalem – January 2016 (loan period expired),
Oduwa – January 2016 (loan period expired),
Nicky Clark – January 2016 (end contract),
Barrie McKay – January 2016 (end contract),
Fraser Aird – January 2016 (end contract),
Robbie Crawford – January 2016 (end contract),
Andy Murdoch – January 2016 (end contract).

I guess this is where the 'Warby Chest' is coming from.
17-12-2015, 07:47 AM
jonty

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Originally Posted by Hibee87

Are we really that paranoid now that we think its only at hampden so rangers get more money? :confused:

Not just Rangers - all parties.
Other than that, there haven't been any clear reasons why its changed venue. http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...ning-cup-final
First time in 26 years.
Given the larger quantity of supporters wanting to attend it makes sense to milk them for all the money they can - why shoe-horn them into a smaller stadium?
17-12-2015, 08:14 AM
scoopyboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

Saw this elsewhere, a few contracts ending in January.

Dominic Ball – January 2016 (loan period expired),
Nicky Law – January 2016 (end contract),
Gedion Zelalem – January 2016 (loan period expired),
Oduwa – January 2016 (loan period expired),
Nicky Clark – January 2016 (end contract),
Barrie McKay – January 2016 (end contract),
Fraser Aird – January 2016 (end contract),
Robbie Crawford – January 2016 (end contract),
Andy Murdoch – January 2016 (end contract).

I guess this is where the 'Warby Chest' is coming from.

Not doubting the information in the slightest but I find it really strange that so many players are out of contract at the end of January, most contracts end at the end of a season.
17-12-2015, 08:21 AM
Deansy

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoopyboy

Not doubting the information in the slightest but I find it really strange that so many players are out of contract at the end of January, most contracts end at the end of a season.

Because the Hun still thinks it's a huge, major club that players will crawl over broken-glass to play for - strange that 'draw' doesn't seem to be mentioned so much these days, ever since the EBT's were stopped ........,,
17-12-2015, 08:32 AM
Weststandwanab

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoopyboy

Not doubting the information in the slightest but I find it really strange that so many players are out of contract at the end of January, most contracts end at the end of a season.

Just in time for Admin 2
17-12-2015, 08:54 AM
Moulin Yarns

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoopyboy

Not doubting the information in the slightest but I find it really strange that so many players are out of contract at the end of January, most contracts end at the end of a season.

Looks like the info was duff, sorry.

Zelalam appears to be the only out of contract in January according to Transfer Market
17-12-2015, 11:10 AM
brog

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Excellent letter, well done that man!
17-12-2015, 12:05 PM
Platinum Scotty

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Originally Posted by brog

Excellent letter, well done that man!

agree totally - very well written
17-12-2015, 12:16 PM
Jim44

Sorry to be a bore, but what did Stewart Milne say?
17-12-2015, 12:23 PM
Brunswickbill

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Sorry to be a bore, but what did Stewart Milne say?

According to the Herald online:-
He said: “We want to have all of the top clubs up in the Premiership.
“If Rangers come up with the right approach – and everyone allows them to put what happened in the past behind them – it would be good for the game.
“It would be fantastic if Hibs were able to get back up to the Premiership this season as well.
“When you look back over the last five to six years we have come through some horrendous times economically.
“Some of our top clubs not being in the top division for a substantial part of that period didn’t help.
“We are bringing less money into the game through media deals than we were back in 2007.

“The Sky contract was renegotiated when we lost Rangers because they were part of the deal.
“We could no longer fulfil our agreement with them so money was pulled back.

“What we have to do now is find ways of bringing more money back into the game.
“Having Rangers and Hibs back at the top level again would help.”

Seems to me that the letter from the Dons fan is fine apart from one mistake. It isn't one club that has cheated it's way to trophies. There's two. It's just that one has managed to avoid proper scrutiny and hasn't been found out in the SMSM.
17-12-2015, 01:51 PM
Deansy

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Originally Posted by Brunswickbill

According to the Herald online:-
He said: “We want to have all of the top clubs up in the Premiership.
“If Rangers come up with the right approach – and everyone allows them to put what happened in the past behind them – it would be good for the game.
“It would be fantastic if Hibs were able to get back up to the Premiership this season as well.
“When you look back over the last five to six years we have come through some horrendous times economically.
“Some of our top clubs not being in the top division for a substantial part of that period didn’t help.
“We are bringing less money into the game through media deals than we were back in 2007.

“The Sky contract was renegotiated when we lost Rangers because they were part of the deal.
“We could no longer fulfil our agreement with them so money was pulled back.

“What we have to do now is find ways of bringing more money back into the game.
“Having Rangers and Hibs back at the top level again would help.”

Seems to me that the letter from the Dons fan is fine apart from one mistake. It isn't one club that has cheated it's way to trophies. There's two. It's just that one has managed to avoid proper scrutiny and hasn't been found out in the SMSM.

Oh I wouldn't worry about that too much, once the Hun realise that their ill-gotten 'Titles/Trophies' ARE being voided, their East Coast 'B' team will be the first ones to feel the Huns wrath as they set about on a monumental, hate-filled 'Whatabootery' campaign for any club/team whose financial affairs have ever had the slightest bit scrutiny - all aided and abetted by their media !!

It's gonna be great !!
17-12-2015, 02:01 PM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by Deansy

Oh I wouldn't worry about that too much, once the Hun realise that their ill-gotten 'Titles/Trophies' ARE being voided, their East Coast 'B' team will be the first ones to feel the Huns wrath as they set about on a monumental, hate-filled 'Whatabootery' campaign for any club/team whose financial affairs have ever had the slightest bit scrutiny - all aided and abetted by their media !!

It's gonna be great !!

I very much doubt it, most of Scottish Football have got the belief that it was only the stupid Liths. who lost money.

A while back I had an extended exchange with a Celtic fan who was convinced Hearts owed the HMRC nowt when BDO were called in.
17-12-2015, 02:12 PM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by greenginger

I very much doubt it, most of Scottish Football have got the belief that it was only the stupid Liths. who lost money.

A while back I had an extended exchange with a Celtic fan who was convinced Hearts owed the HMRC nowt when BDO were called in.

They ain't that popular with a few St Mirren fans I know either.

When situations like the above arise I think its our public duty to raise awareness for people that there are businesses about who have built on foundations of using money that belongs to the council, taxpayers, the NHS and even charities they claim to support, only to go into administration to avoid the debts. It's about doing the right thing.

Lest they forget.
17-12-2015, 03:10 PM
Brunswickbill

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Originally Posted by greenginger

I very much doubt it, most of Scottish Football have got the belief that it was only the stupid Liths. who lost money.

A while back I had an extended exchange with a Celtic fan who was convinced Hearts owed the HMRC nowt when BDO were called in.

I had a similar experience with a very knowledgeable Celtic fan who is right into the Sevco goings on. When I drew a parallel with the yams his reply was "oh but they went about it the right way." When he had scraped me off the roof I put him straight on a few things but he wasn't really interested.
17-12-2015, 03:45 PM
hibs0666

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Originally Posted by Brunswickbill

I had a similar experience with a very knowledgeable Celtic fan who is right into the Sevco goings on. When I drew a parallel with the yams his reply was "oh but they went about it the right way." When he had scraped me off the roof I put him straight on a few things but he wasn't really interested.

That's the thing about that mob - they spout 'sporting integrity' but they're only really interested in a bit of one-upmanship over their rivals.
17-12-2015, 04:08 PM
s.a.m

Sky Sports Scotland ‏@ScotlandSky 1m1 minute ago #Rangers director Paul Murray tells @SkySportsNewsHQ £5 million has been deposited with solicitors to repay Sports Direct loan...
17-12-2015, 04:12 PM
robinp

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

Sky Sports Scotland &rlm;@ScotlandSky 1m1 minute ago #Rangers director Paul Murray tells @SkySportsNewsHQ £5 million has been deposited with solicitors to repay Sports Direct loan...

So we can categorically say that rangers lawyers lied in open court during one of the recent hearings vs SD!
17-12-2015, 04:19 PM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by robinp

So we can categorically say that rangers lawyers lied in open court during one of the recent hearings vs SD!

Lies lies lies, wonder if this will go unpunished?
17-12-2015, 04:23 PM
Col2

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Lies lies lies, wonder if this will go unpunished?

Of course it will. It's now ok to blatantly lie, either in court or to the football authorities. I remember our friends from Gorgie telling everyone how financially ok they were and fighting to prove insolvency event in Lithuania had no impact on them (to avoid automatic relegation that season) while a few weeks later going into admin and ditching £32m.
17-12-2015, 04:25 PM
kaimendhibs

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Originally Posted by robinp

So we can categorically say that rangers lawyers lied in open court during one of the recent hearings vs SD!

They are shameless
17-12-2015, 04:39 PM
Ozyhibby

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17-12-2015, 04:41 PM
Radium

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

Sky Sports Scotland ‏@ScotlandSky 1m1 minute ago #Rangers director Paul Murray tells @SkySportsNewsHQ £5 million has been deposited with solicitors to repay Sports Direct loan...

So, they have raised money to pay a debt incurred whilst finishing third in the championship last year and may (qualified because there seem to be so many twists to the contract) be able to trigger a seven year notice period to get out of the contract. They are a mess and are using good money to pay off bad. Either they are assured of promotion (through reconstruction) that will be announced ahead of next seasons ST sales or the board room roulette table is in overdrive
17-12-2015, 05:12 PM
Just Alf

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Originally Posted by kaimendhibs

They are shameless

And glib :agree:

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17-12-2015, 05:24 PM
kaimendhibs

According to Paul Murray the solicitor made a simple mistake in court. Ah, thats ok then. In thevreal word im sure that is perjury
17-12-2015, 05:34 PM
Just Alf

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Originally Posted by kaimendhibs

According to Paul Murray the solicitor made a simple mistake in court. Ah, thats ok then. In thevreal word im sure that is perjury

Thise of you with a better idea.... could this actually cause them a problem?

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17-12-2015, 05:44 PM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Thise of you with a better idea.... could this actually cause them a problem?

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Glibly and shamelessly lying to a judge in court:confused:

Nah, they'll be fine.

Any one can be confused over whether they have handed over £5m or not.
17-12-2015, 06:08 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Thise of you with a better idea.... could this actually cause them a problem?

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Think someone would have to make a complaint.

Even at that, who was the perjurer? I would say the solicitor.
It would only be their problem if the solicitor was following orders to say it.

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17-12-2015, 06:20 PM
Brunswickbill

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ng-not-perjury
Remember Coulson got away with lying at the Tommy Sheridan trial at his perjury trial because the lying didn't affect the outcome. Seemed odd to me.
17-12-2015, 06:42 PM
HoboHarry

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Think someone would have to make a complaint.

Even at that, who was the perjurer? I would say the solicitor.
It would only be their problem if the solicitor was following orders to say it.

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As far as I can see the solicitor would have had to have made iit up for him to be at fault. His comment must have come from info given to him surely?
17-12-2015, 06:45 PM
Just Alf

Thanks folks..

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17-12-2015, 06:47 PM
Gordy M

Is the crime of perjury not 'lying under oath'? Im not 100% sure but dont think lawyers are 'under oath' therefore not subject to perjury?
17-12-2015, 06:55 PM
kaimendhibs

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Originally Posted by Gordy M

Is the crime of perjury not 'lying under oath'? Im not 100% sure but dont think lawyers are 'under oath' therefore not subject to perjury?

Not sure, but they should be!
17-12-2015, 07:12 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

As far as I can see the solicitor would have had to have made iit up for him to be at fault. His comment must have come from info given to him surely?

In which light, I'm not sure there's a case here.

Client gives solicitor duff information. Solicitor repeats it in Court.

Fairly common occurrence, I would have thought. "I wisny there. It wisny me" says accused to solicitor. That's repeated in Court. Court finds that he wis there, and it wis him. Nobody gets done for perjury.

The only reason people are getting aerated about this is because it's them.
17-12-2015, 07:29 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

In which light, I'm not sure there's a case here.

Client gives solicitor duff information. Solicitor repeats it in Court.

Fairly common occurrence, I would have thought. "I wisny there. It wisny me" says accused to solicitor. That's repeated in Court. Court finds that he wis there, and it wis him. Nobody gets done for perjury.

The only reason people are getting aerated about this is because it's them.

I agree. Perjury is committed in just about every court case there is and it rarely results in any punishment.

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17-12-2015, 07:39 PM
Ozyhibby

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...medium=twitter

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17-12-2015, 07:40 PM
Jack

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

In which light, I'm not sure there's a case here.

Client gives solicitor duff information. Solicitor repeats it in Court.

Fairly common occurrence, I would have thought. "I wisny there. It wisny me" says accused to solicitor. That's repeated in Court. Court finds that he wis there, and it wis him. Nobody gets done for perjury.

The only reason people are getting aerated about this is because it's them.

I'm sure on the day 2 bit the misleading statement was addressed by someone. Whoever it was said that because the £5m wasn't relevant to the case it didn't count as perjury.
17-12-2015, 07:48 PM
kaimendhibs

Is asking your solicitor to
Lie on your behalf perjury?
17-12-2015, 07:52 PM
Mr White

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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A cynic might suggest that dave king isn't the only glib and shameless liar in the ibrox boardroom these days after watching Paul Murray's interview there.
17-12-2015, 07:57 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by kaimendhibs

Is asking your solicitor to
Lie on your behalf perjury?

Solicitors will not lie on behalf of their clients. To do so would be professional misconduct...... a solicitor is an Officer of the Court and as such is not permitted to mislead the court either deliberately or by omission.

From a random Google of solicitor websites.
17-12-2015, 08:17 PM
Killiehibbie

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Solicitors will not lie on behalf of their clients. To do so would be professional misconduct...... a solicitor is an Officer of the Court and as such is not permitted to mislead the court either deliberately or by omission.

From a random Google of solicitor websites.

They do so on a daily basis and to pretend otherwise would be lying.
17-12-2015, 09:16 PM
kaimendhibs

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Solicitors will not lie on behalf of their clients. To do so would be professional misconduct...... a solicitor is an Officer of the Court and as such is not permitted to mislead the court either deliberately or by omission.

From a random Google of solicitor websites.

Cheers. Must be a mistake then😂😂
18-12-2015, 02:35 AM
Ozyhibby

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18-12-2015, 05:47 AM
Jpdhfc

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Great piece this we as fans need to put pressure on our clubs to ask questions.
18-12-2015, 05:55 AM
flash

It's definately time to focus our attention on the people who run Scottish football instead of this relentless campaign to grind The Rangers into the ground.
18-12-2015, 06:55 AM
Kojock

Simply put a person commits perjury when they wilfully and unequivocally make a false statement while giving evidence in any judicial proceedings, this may be by way of oath or affirmation. Essentially a person must make a statement that they know to be false and it must be made according to their will (i.e. someone who makes a statement that turns out to be false recklessly or unkowingly would not have committed perjury.

No way the Solicitor could be done for perjury.

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