Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

Hearing ends.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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No comment from the Judge about the apparent lie that was told yesterday?

Or might that be the subject of a different case? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Given that they've lied once already in Court, I wouldn't put it past them.....

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Judge appears not to have picked up on it, so they have probably got away with it. Strange thing is they did not have to say it yesterday. It wasn't relevant.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Something has to change before people move on. What do you suggest?


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Where to start...

• A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
• A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
• A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
• Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
• Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
• Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
• Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
• Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

No comment from the Judge about the apparent lie that was told yesterday?

Or might that be the subject of a different case? :greengrin

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Judge : "This is not part of the case" and moved on.

King said live on TV after the aim that they had raised the money in 1 hour and that it was already in the bank. He then told a court that it had already been paid.
Two weeks later and it has still not been raised.
Alarm bells should be ringing louder than ever among the Sevconians.


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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Where to start...

• A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
• A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
• A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
• Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
• Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
• Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
• Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
• Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities

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You just copied Neil Doncaster's job description didn't you?

And you can see how well he's doing.

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

Judge : "This is not part of the case" and moved on.

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I would agree that it isn't.

However, a lie was told in Court. Apparently.

Bottom line, though.... it ain't been paid. MA still has the ball, and RIFC's balls, in his hands.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Where to start...

• A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
• A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
• A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
• Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
• Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
• Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
• Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
• Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities

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The current incumbent at Hampden have resisted those suggestions time and again. The only way all the above can happen is if we sweep them from power.


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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I would agree that it isn't.

However, a lie was told in Court. Apparently.

Bottom line, though.... it ain't been paid. MA still has the ball, and RIFC's balls, in his hands.

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You really didn't need that 'apparently'.

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

You really didn't need that 'apparently'.

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Ken.

So many writs flying about, have to cover my erse :greengrin

Besides, how do we know that Ozy isn't Keith Jackson moonlighting, and we're being told *****?

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Originally Posted by Geo_1875

You just copied Neil Doncaster's job description didn't you?

And you can see how well he's doing.

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What's your point?

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

The current incumbent at Hampden have resisted those suggestions time and again. The only way all the above can happen is if we sweep them from power.


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Nope. The incumbent at Hampden acts upon the mandate provided by the clubs. If things are not happening then blame the clubs not their administrator.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

The current incumbent at Hampden have resisted those suggestions time and again. The only way all the above can happen is if we sweep them from power.


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Which won't happen because the pair of them are a heat shield for the likes of Lawell and the other Club Chairmen who can dump their various problems and incompetent handing of their own clubs at the door of the league and national association, slagging them off to the fans whilst backing them privately.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Ken.

So many writs flying about, have to cover my erse :greengrin

Besides, how do we know that Ozy isn't Keith Jackson moonlighting, and we're being told *****?

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Jackson can barely do one job!

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Where to start...

• A new strategy for the Scottish game developed in conjunction with all staekholders with agreed accountabilities, responsibilities and KPIs to drive action and measure success
• A new and inclusive mode of governance with clearly defined remit including finance
• A re-assessment of the use of technology across every aspect of the game
• Proper and transparent reporting of KPI performance
• Collaborative approach to development of young professionals that benefits all concerned
• Scheduling decisions taken with inputs from the fanbase
• Fundamental re-assessment of the match-day experience informed by a far more robust understand of the outcomes that people are seeking to achieve through their engagement with clubs
• Fundamental re-assessment of the role and responsibilities of clubs within their local communities

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i don't think anyone would disagree with those laudable aims. There is however nothing to stop us moving forward with those plans while at the same time holding the club that was Rangers properly to account for their failure to comply with the rules of Scottish football. Oh, & an explanation & a sanction for the one penalty they did receive & their contempt for continuing to pay that fine.

I know some of you guys think the judge is doing a good job but, like Underscore, I think he is demonstrating inappropriate and unprofessional tendencies, and let's not forget that he has well publicised previous for his behaviour in court.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

I know some of you guys think the judge is doing a good job but, like Underscore, I think he is demonstrating inappropriate and unprofessional tendencies, and let's not forget that he has well publicised previous for his behaviour in court.

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I think the judge is annoyed by the flippancy of the action. Yesterday he gave SD counsel ample opportunity to explain the harm at certain points which were not answered.
I wouldn't disagree that he's boorish and egotistical.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Nope. The incumbent at Hampden acts upon the mandate provided by the clubs. If things are not happening then blame the clubs not their administrator.

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That's the problem. The clubs are only nominally their bosses. There is a powerful cabal at Hampden that think themselves untouchable. If the clubs were their bosses, do you think they would have launched such a scathing attack on Ann Budge this week?
It's time these people were removed for the good of the game.


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Originally Posted by brog

i don't think anyone would disagree with those laudable aims. There is however nothing to stop us moving forward with those plans while at the same time holding the club that was Rangers properly to account for their failure to comply with the rules of Scottish football. Oh, & an explanation & a sanction for the one penalty they did receive & their contempt for continuing to pay that fine.

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I think you need to have the governing body purged first before you can properly deal with Rangers/the Rangers otherwise there will always be a view of bias from one side or another.

My issue is that the current incumbents are never truly going to address all of the issues (turkeys voting for Christmas). As much as I don't like to see football and politics mixed I do think someone like Kenny MacAskill raising a question in the Scottish Parliament to instigate an independent root and branch review of the governance of our game (SPFL and SFA) and then identify who is appropriate to implement that new structure is what is required.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Ken.

So many writs flying about, have to cover my erse :greengrin

Besides, how do we know that Ozy isn't Keith Jackson moonlighting, and we're being told *****?

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I'm more an egg 'n chips man. Succulent lamb is a bit rich for me. [emoji3]


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Originally Posted by Jim44

I know some of you guys think the judge is doing a good job but, like Underscore, I think he is demonstrating inappropriate and unprofessional tendencies, and let's not forget that he has well publicised previous for his behaviour in court.

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Having seen judges in action in the Sheriff and High courts in my time this ones behaviour isn't all that out of the ordinary.

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

I think the judge is annoyed by the flippancy of the action. Yesterday he gave SD counsel ample opportunity to explain the harm at certain points which were not answered.
I wouldn't disagree that he's boorish and egotistical.

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If he judged that the case was flippant, could he not just throw it out or rush through it routinely? Or is there a serious case to answer under the flippancy?

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Originally Posted by Jim44

If he judged that the case was flippant, could he not just throw it out or rush through it routinely? Or is there a serious case to answer under the flippancy?

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I thought he was being flippant at the start, then I started to think he was really pushing hard on the SD counsel to make them "really" prove their point


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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I would agree that it isn't.

However, a lie was told in Court. Apparently.

Bottom line, though.... it ain't been paid. MA still has the ball, and RIFC's balls, in his hands.

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When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

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Originally Posted by greenginger

When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

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No way to know unless Sports Direct tell us. We can't trust anything Sevco say with King in charge.


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Originally Posted by greenginger

When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

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Fuss about nothing. His Glibship already raised the full £5m, by phoning round, in "an hour". On that basis, another 500k, to make the total up to, er, £5m, would only take another 6 minutes. He's probably already done it, and is just too modest to confirm.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

When RIFC say they are £ 500K short to make the repayment , do we know if £ 4.5 million has been paid over and they are looking for the other half mil. to complete the repayment.

Or, they have £ 4.5 million in a bank account ready to pass to SD when the other half mil. appears. :confused:

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Doleman on Twitter "No money is with SD. Rangers have told them they are awaiting to collect another £500k before repaying loan
Sorry for confusion"

Perhaps they could approach the local council to pitch in with a handout, it will help the local govan community out and keep creating jobs in that area?

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JJ seems to think SD are looking for £200,000 damages. It makes sense given we are back in Jan but it is JJ so take with a pinch of salt.


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Even the Record is unimpressed.


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Originally Posted by Jim44

If he judged that the case was flippant, could he not just throw it out or rush through it routinely? Or is there a serious case to answer under the flippancy?

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My take on it, albeit through the sound bites conveyed by Ozzy (that'as not a dig, btw, it was great to hear), was that the attempt to jail DK was flippant. There may be, though, a more fundamental case to be heard in January. I think that judge was trying to cut through the crap to get at that case.

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My take on it, albeit through the sound bites conveyed by Ozzy (that'as not a dig, btw, it was great to hear), was that the attempt to jail DK was flippant. There may be, though, a more fundamental case to be heard in January. I think that judge was trying to cut through the crap to get at that case.

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Was 'the attempt to jail King' not just a bit of sensationalism, coined by the media, adding a sense of flippancy to the issue?

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Was 'the attempt to jail King' not just a bit of sensationalism, coined by the media, adding a sense of flippancy to the issue?

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Seemed like a fairly serious motion to me. That was what was dismissed yesterday, no?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Seemed like a fairly serious motion to me. That was what was dismissed yesterday, no?

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Yes. I think SD were very serious about jail. It now seems that they are also seeking damages.


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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

My take on it, albeit through the sound bites conveyed by Ozzy (that'as not a dig, btw, it was great to hear), was that the attempt to jail DK was flippant. There may be, though, a more fundamental case to be heard in January. I think that judge was trying to cut through the crap to get at that case.

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It looks like SD received, in return for the £5M loan, security on properties, nominations of 2 board members, IP rights and an inceased share of the retail profits from RIPFC marketing. I'm guessing that the increased share of the return on marketing was in lieu of interest. With the details of the loan agreement coming out and the subsequent boycott of SD merchandise by the RIPFC fans, I would think that SD's return on their loan has been below what they expected. I don't know what evidence they will submit re the actual leeks but they may well be able to show that the return on their loan was damaged. I wonder if the board are rushing to get the loan repaid before Christmas to cash in on a late Christmas rush for the blue shirts.

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It looks like SD received, in return for the £5M loan, security on properties, nominations of 2 board members, IP rights and an inceased share of the retail profits from RIPFC marketing. I'm guessing that the increased share of the return on marketing was in lieu of interest. With the details of the loan agreement coming out and the subsequent boycott of SD merchandise by the RIPFC fans, I would think that SD's return on their loan has been below what they expected. I don't know what evidence they will submit re the actual leeks but they may well be able to show that the return on their loan was damaged. I wonder if the board are rushing to get the loan repaid before Christmas to cash in on a late Christmas rush for the blue shirts.

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Agree that they money SD are getting must be a small percentage of what they thought they would be getting, noticed they now sell their own version of a kit ,unsure where exactly the funds are going but it's defo not going to SD

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Originally Posted by Brunswickbill

It looks like SD received, in return for the £5M loan, security on properties, nominations of 2 board members, IP rights and an inceased share of the retail profits from RIPFC marketing. I'm guessing that the increased share of the return on marketing was in lieu of interest. With the details of the loan agreement coming out and the subsequent boycott of SD merchandise by the RIPFC fans, I would think that SD's return on their loan has been below what they expected. I don't know what evidence they will submit re the actual leeks but they may well be able to show that the return on their loan was damaged. I wonder if the board are rushing to get the loan repaid before Christmas to cash in on a late Christmas rush for the blue shirts.

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The £200k (that has been touted as the damages being sought) may well be the amount of that loss.

You may be right, too, about wanting the shirt sales in the coffers. They need whatever cash they can get just now.

I know we disagree on this, but I'm still not convinced SD want that loan repaid yet.

On a related topic, are there any photographs of King in which he doesn't look utterly gormless? I only ask as I've never seen one.

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

On a related topic, are there any photographs of King in which he doesn't look utterly gormless? I only ask as I've never seen one.

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This came to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-HRYKGpDHU

http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-i...of-sevconians/


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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JJ seems to think SD are looking for £200,000 damages. It makes sense given we are back in Jan but it is JJ so take with a pinch of salt.


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His opening line -

“A Scar on Business” This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Dave King.'

He's either getting it wrong or he's hoping his fellow hordes don't read 'The Guardian' -


http://www.theguardian.com/business/...es-revelations

'The company was branded a “scar on British business” by the Institute of Directors ...'


Or have I read this completely wrong ??

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His opening line -

“A Scar on Business” This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Dave King.'

He's either getting it wrong or he's hoping his fellow hordes don't read 'The Guardian' -


http://www.theguardian.com/business/...es-revelations

'The company was branded a “scar on British business” by the Institute of Directors ...'


Or have I read this completely wrong ??

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I read it as you do.

You should ask him for clarification. He ignores me when I do it. :greengrin

It's quite clear to me that the 'scar on British business' is a reference to Sports Direct and not Dave King.
JJ is either devious or at best careless in his interpretation of the Guardian article. I know what I think.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

It's quite clear to me that the 'scar on British business' is a reference to Sports Direct and not Dave King.
JJ is either devious or at best careless in his interpretation of the Guardian article. I know what I think.

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DK is not even mentioned in that article, or the Chronicle one, which is where I read it.

Go on, Jim, you ask him as well. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

DK is not even mentioned in that article, or the Chronicle one, which is where I read it.

Go on, Jim, you ask him as well. :greengrin

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Out of interest, how did you contact him? Is there an email address? I wouldn't want to register on his site. My impression is that he only 'publishes' supportive comments or questions.

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Out of interest, how did you contact him? Is there an email address? I wouldn't want to register on his site. My impression is that he only 'publishes' supportive comments or questions.

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I did it on that site.

My experience has been exactly as you describe. Positive comments of mine are on there. Questions and negative ones have been ignored :)

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His opening line -

“A Scar on Business” This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Dave King.'

He's either getting it wrong or he's hoping his fellow hordes don't read 'The Guardian' -


http://www.theguardian.com/business/...es-revelations

'The company was branded a “scar on British business” by the Institute of Directors ...'


Or have I read this completely wrong ??

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He has backtracked and corrected his embarrassing faux-pas. It doesn't help his credibility.

James Doleman on Twitter:
Judge after saying in court today he had never been a mason

'But it would have been an honour to be nominated by a legend like John Greig"

These boys writing pseudo intellectual drivel in an attempt to be the white knights of Scottish football are embarrassing. Give us a coherent logical timeline and appraisal of the situation. 99% of football supporters don't have the time or inclination to follow all of this. Make it accessible or you are no better than the mainstream media. They have went too far in making it accessible but there is a happy medium which is at the heart of any good journalism.

Having been to football matches all across the world the only thing notable about rangers is their "passion" is driven purely by hate. Dont fuel their hate. Ignore them, skelp them on the pitch and mock them. They barely have the resources to compete with Hibernian, a club which is based on inclusion and integrity. The jokes on them and always will be.

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Originally Posted by God Petrie

These boys writing pseudo intellectual drivel in an attempt to be the white knights of Scottish football are embarrassing. Give us a coherent logical timeline and appraisal of the situation. 99% of football supporters don't have the time or inclination to follow all of this. Make it accessible or you are no better than the mainstream media. They have went too far in making it accessible but there is a happy medium which is at the heart of any good journalism.

Having been to football matches all across the world the only thing notable about rangers is their "passion" is driven purely by hate. Dont fuel their hate. Ignore them, skelp them on the pitch and mock them. They barely have the resources to compete with Hibernian, a club which is based on inclusion and integrity. The jokes on them and always will be.

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Very Churchillian and spirit raising - "We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Pity about the last four ironic words, but there you go .......

Excellent post, putting the 'white knights of Scottish Journalism' in perspective ( are you listening, Phil and JJ ) and an almost 'hare and tortoise' means of pipping them at the post. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Hibs Class

On a related topic, are there any photographs of King in which he doesn't look utterly gormless? I only ask as I've never seen one.

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Do you mean from before or after he was fund raising as Roy Croppers slightly more fashionable twin?

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He has backtracked and corrected his embarrassing faux-pas. It doesn't help his credibility.

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Originally Posted by JJ in response to having his mistake pointed out

Note my change in the article in my response to numerous posts on this matter. I constantly strive to be accurate.

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Originally Posted by JJ in revised blog post

This article’s headline is a quote from the Institute of Directors in regard to Mike Ashley, but I posit that it’s more apposite of Dave King.

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I posit this guy's an idiot.

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These boys writing pseudo intellectual drivel in an attempt to be the white knights of Scottish football are embarrassing. Give us a coherent logical timeline and appraisal of the situation. 99% of football supporters don't have the time or inclination to follow all of this. Make it accessible or you are no better than the mainstream media. They have went too far in making it accessible but there is a happy medium which is at the heart of any good journalism.

Having been to football matches all across the world the only thing notable about rangers is their "passion" is driven purely by hate. Dont fuel their hate. Ignore them, skelp them on the pitch and mock them. They barely have the resources to compete with Hibernian, a club which is based on inclusion and integrity. The jokes on them and always will be.

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Not sure I agree about a 'happy medium' being at the Heart of good journalism, at least not good investigative journalism. More a case of tenacity, asking awkward questions and having a desire to uncover inconvenient truths which some would rather remained hidden.

The lamentable performance of the Scottish mainstream media has created a vacuum which these guys are filling. The problem appears to me to be their barely concealed agendas, out of control egos, tendency to guild the lilly and the absence of a good editor.

I must admit I do find the whole thing to have a horrible fascination with a cast of characters who would be out of place in the most far fetched of films. I have made the effort to follow all the goings on and try to understand them-don't pretend I do though. I agree it would be good to have an 'executive summary' but I'm not sure it's that simple or that anyone really knows, hence the speculation.

If you don't have the time/ inclination to follow all the goings on then I guess the answer for you and your fellow 99% is don't. It's probably quite important for the future of Scottish Football that the whole business is resolved though and that the truth (whatever that is) comes out. Ignoring the issues won't do that.

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Not sure I agree about a 'happy medium' being at the Heart of good journalism, at least not good investigative journalism. More a case of tenacity, asking awkward questions and having a desire to uncover inconvenient truths which some would rather remained hidden.

The lamentable performance of the Scottish mainstream media has created a vacuum which these guys are filling. The problem appears to me to be their barely concealed agendas, out of control egos, tendency to guild the lilly and the absence of a good editor.

I must admit I do find the whole thing to have a horrible fascination with a cast of characters who would be out of place in the most far fetched of films. I have made the effort to follow all the goings on and try to understand them-don't pretend I do though. I agree it would be good to have an 'executive summary' but I'm not sure it's that simple or that anyone really knows, hence the speculation.

If you don't have the time/ inclination to follow all the goings on then I guess the answer for you and your fellow 99% is don't. It's probably quite important for the future of Scottish Football that the whole business is resolved though and that the truth (whatever that is) comes out. Ignoring the issues won't do that.

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The problem is that the incessant ranting of these bloggers tends to mitigate the misdoings of their targets.

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The problem is that the incessant ranting of these bloggers tends to mitigate the misdoings of their targets.

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I agree.

Big thanks for the main contributors on this thread. Totally missed yesterday's action and got more info here than on any news site I've looked on. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

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The problem is that the incessant ranting of these bloggers tends to mitigate the misdoings of their targets.

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Of all the bloggers on this issue I find James Forrest to be the most readable. Phil has the best sources. JJ is a windbag who barely pauses to think before posting.
On the issue of them having barely concealed agendas, who would argue that Roddy Forsyth, Chris Jack, Richard Wilson or Keith Jackson did not have barely concealed agendas?


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Morton (good form) are 22-1 to win at Ibrox today.

Chucked a tenner on that.

Every season in every league you will see surprises.

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I did it on that site.

My experience has been exactly as you describe. Positive comments of mine are on there. Questions and negative ones have been ignored :)

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It appears that your questions fail to reach the standards he has set.

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Remember to watch your salt intake.

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Morton (good form) are 22-1 to win at Ibrox today.

Chucked a tenner on that.

Every season in every league you will see surprises.

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Wow you must be gutted. Unlucky.

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Wow you must be gutted. Unlucky.

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Yes 7 mins from £240!! Ridiculous odds!

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What does this all mean?

Apologies for being too lazy to read it all

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What does this all mean?

Apologies for being too lazy to read it all

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Don't feel bad - I read it and still don't understand it. I assume that because it was posted by Ozyhibby it's bad news for Sevco though. :greengrin

Guys guys, are you sure it is wise posting this stuff? Are there implications?

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What does this all mean?

Apologies for being too lazy to read it all

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Not sure myself, think it means Mike Ashley gets the lot of they don't pay him soon.


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Not sure myself, think it means Mike Ashley gets the lot of they don't pay him soon.


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Think the 2 are unrelated , no?

What you have posted is an agreement between Rangers Retail and SD.
The loan is between SD and the club. I saw a version of the loan agreement the other day which said that there is no fixed repayment period.

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In relation to this.


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Fair play for their honesty. Refreshing to see but if that's their proper "official" page, I can see them getting hammered for that.

The document is dated 2012. I think it relates to the Joint Venture whereby SD took over the running of the Rangers retail operation. See link from August 2012 below.

http://news.stv.tv/west-central/1867...sports-direct/


The £5m loan was agreed in January 2015 and I think that it's this loan that SEVCO are trying to pay off. See the link below

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30996809

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Fair play for their honesty. Refreshing to see but if that's their proper "official" page, I can see them getting hammered for that.

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Fair play for their honesty. Refreshing to see but if that's their proper "official" page, I can see them getting hammered for that.

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I think it's not their official page. They seem to only have twitter and not facebook.

A suggestion could be to get the SFA neutral observer ( if they still send such officials ) to sit with the visiting fans at Ibrox for a few matches .

The reports could be interesting, if he lives ! :greengrin

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Not too surprising from these Neanderthal cretins

Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....

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Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....

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i live in hope that once a case is found not in their favour they will have to start robbing Peter to pay Paul and it will become a domino effect with everything comes crumbling at their feet and im not talking about the sandy jardine stand,mind you the loss in revenue and the hopefull thought that they have the most basic of insurance to cover any repair if at all with a horid excess to pay.

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Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....

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The tax case appeal has no impact on their current funds.

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Wish our club was more like them.


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Really? I sure as hell don't.

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The tax case appeal has no impact on their current funds.

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Directly, there's no impact

indirectly, there might be some financial impact if Charles greens fees were the liability of the current sevco mob, afaik.

the others are all now due to be after the jan window shuts (except Ashley v king on 18 jan) but wanted to,check.

and my only interest is the impact it might have in terms of reducing the warb cchest good luck to,Falkirk v rangers this weekend

First one up is this Wednesday. Chuckie Green appealing against decision not to award him legal expenses for his court cases.

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Can anyone provide us with an up to date revised "fixture list" of when the rangers are in court over the next few months, after this week's false start?
reason I ask is each one has at least the potential to be expensive in fines or being responsible for the other sides legal costs, and that factor ought to see the transfer warb chest left unopened during January "just in case".
I am, of course, assuming that a glib shameless liar chairman, of a club who see themselves as being above the normal rules (ie of paying their way), will suddenly seek to be honourable & prudent.

but any update on when these and others are now scheduled...

charles green appeal (seeking to get rifc to pay his legal costs)

decision on legal costs from last weeks trial v mike Ashley at Londons high court

the ex players seeking damages for non payment of player contracts (an issue that surely should lead to a football punishment if found to be true ie sounds like a points deduction case)

bdo and the big tax case appeal (will they/won't they)

mike Ashley vs SFA challenging Dave kings fit and proper person test

and any others I've missed,.....

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Here's an extract from my diary - I'd welcome any updates

25January Mike (Scarface) Ashley v SEVCO - Damages arising from breach of confidentiality agreement. Court of Session
4 Feb 2016 Ashley V SFA - Judicial Review of SFA fine of £1000 for dual ownership / undue influence on Sevco board. Court of Session


11 Feb 2106 Ashley V SFA - Judicial Review of King being declared a fit and proper person. Court of Session

Date? Appeal by Green re his claim on Sevco to pay his legal fees. Can’t find any confirmation that appeal has or will be made.

Date? Appeal on Big Tax Case. Await decision by BDO. Can’t find a date http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...rs-use-of-ebts

Date? Worthington Group / Law Financial claim on Sevco assets. No date as yet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-recovers.html

Date? Employment Tribunal to hear claim for holiday pay by 2 Former Sevco players. I haven’t found a date. Could be 5/6 figure sum to 4 ex-players if successful http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot..._-Imageandlink

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A suggestion could be to get the SFA neutral observer ( if they still send such officials ) to sit with the visiting fans at Ibrox for a few matches .

The reports could be interesting, if he lives ! :greengrin

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Reminds me of auld pishy breeks going 'undercover' with the hertz support at Septic Park....but made sure that the press were informed well in advance so he could get a wee bit of publicity...and a police escort for the bus he travelled on

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/...urts/#comments

JJ thinks there is court action today although James Doleman thinks it's a mistake on the rolls.


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Any word on the £5m repayment yet? :wink:

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Ooh, he's been reading about Roman history on Wikipedia as well, the wind bag.

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/cha...ast-offensive/

Wonder if Hibs got an invite.


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Wonder if Hibs got an invite.


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Think it's a spoof.

Who is Stewart? :greengrin

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Milne/Gilmour?

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Stewart Robertson, the bloke they brought in from Motherwell. Leeann will know him well.


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Regan?

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Gotcha.

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I didn't know you could have visitor lunches at the Bar-L! :wink: