Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

Thanks. You’d think season ticket holders would be able to show their vaccination status at the ticket office or online beforehand and that would suffice for a predetermined period. I don’t really see the point in having to show your status for every game, it’s not going to change.

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I suppose the argument would be that you could give your ticket to an unvaxxed person.

Since the tickets are supposed to be non transferable then I’d imagine Hibs could cover themselves with that.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

Thanks. You’d think season ticket holders would be able to show their vaccination status at the ticket office or online beforehand and that would suffice for a predetermined period. I don’t really see the point in having to show your status for every game, it’s not going to change.

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If everyone does I would expect you would want to turn up at least 30 minutes before you usually do. From what was said earlier there isn't a way to scan the passports at fitba grounds yet. Mind you they have a huge 21 days to both precure and pay for the necessary equipment. Even then and if it goes really well it will still slow down entry. I suspect spot checks, people without passports chancing it and stewards having to deal with the fallout. There are still countless question anyway regarding proving your ID, will photo ID be needed, what to do when the name on a ticket doesn't match the name of the ticket holder etc etc.

I disagree that your status will change though during a 8 month period. There is a fair chance you will need a booster and an updated passport. Lots of other new findings could also change the view to Passports. If Sturgeon and Harvie are to be believed in the past I don't think Passports sits easily with them.

Showing your Passport to the Ticket Office staff sounds like a good idea but that is putting more work on them and it may change the type of IT and data requirements they need, Thinking back to my training medical data is in the special category which is more protected and may have different timetables for deletion, requirements for security etc. On the face of it the idea sounds good but I suspect the legalities may be different. It wouldn't surprise me if there is debate around GDPR in terms of passports depending on how they are scanned and how the information is stored. I'd be amazed if there wasn't a GDPR expert on here who will know if there is any difficulties in your suggestion.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

As far as I’m aware it’s only to prove your vaccination status.

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You could have covid while gaining entry as long as you have a passport and a ticket, possibly even in different names

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I suppose the argument would be that you could give your ticket to an unvaxxed person.

Since the tickets are supposed to be non transferable then I’d imagine Hibs could cover themselves with that.

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I suppose the club would have to make people aware that we can’t do that and there will be consequences if we do.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

If everyone does I would expect you would want to turn up at least 30 minutes before you usually do. From what was said earlier there isn't a way to scan the passports at fitba grounds yet. Mind you they have a huge 21 days to both precure and pay for the necessary equipment. Even then and if it goes really well it will still slow down entry. I suspect spot checks, people without passports chancing it and stewards having to deal with the fallout. There are still countless question anyway regarding proving your ID, will photo ID be needed, what to do when the name on a ticket doesn't match the name of the ticket holder etc etc.

I disagree that your status will change though during a 8 month period. There is a fair chance you will need a booster and an updated passport. Lots of other new findings could also change the view to Passports. If Sturgeon and Harvie are to be believed in the past I don't think Passports sits easily with them.

Showing your Passport to the Ticket Office staff sounds like a good idea but that is putting more work on them and it may change the type of IT and data requirements they need, Thinking back to my training medical data is in the special category which is more protected and may have different timetables for deletion, requirements for security etc. On the face of it the idea sounds good but I suspect the legalities may be different. It wouldn't surprise me if there is debate around GDPR in terms of passports depending on how they are scanned and how the information is stored. I'd be amazed if there wasn't a GDPR expert on here who will know if there is any difficulties in your suggestion.

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I read the other day that the software to check the codes was going to be free and could be downloaded to a phone.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

You could have covid while gaining entry as long as you have a passport and a ticket, possibly even in different names

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That’s obviously the case now as well. The whole point of this I’d imagine is to try and reduce the chances of spreading the virus, there isn’t a way to stop it completely unless you close the stadium.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

If everyone does I would expect you would want to turn up at least 30 minutes before you usually do. From what was said earlier there isn't a way to scan the passports at fitba grounds yet. Mind you they have a huge 21 days to both precure and pay for the necessary equipment. Even then and if it goes really well it will still slow down entry. I suspect spot checks, people without passports chancing it and stewards having to deal with the fallout. There are still countless question anyway regarding proving your ID, will photo ID be needed, what to do when the name on a ticket doesn't match the name of the ticket holder etc etc.

I disagree that your status will change though during a 8 month period. There is a fair chance you will need a booster and an updated passport. Lots of other new findings could also change the view to Passports. If Sturgeon and Harvie are to be believed in the past I don't think Passports sits easily with them.

Showing your Passport to the Ticket Office staff sounds like a good idea but that is putting more work on them and it may change the type of IT and data requirements they need, Thinking back to my training medical data is in the special category which is more protected and may have different timetables for deletion, requirements for security etc. On the face of it the idea sounds good but I suspect the legalities may be different. It wouldn't surprise me if there is debate around GDPR in terms of passports depending on how they are scanned and how the information is stored. I'd be amazed if there wasn't a GDPR expert on here who will know if there is any difficulties in your suggestion.

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All they need is a mobile phone tablet or barcode scanner. When they scan the barcode on your phone it will pop up your name and status on there device, if matches your ticket in you go. They do it in many countries already. I'm sure the management of g4s or whoever have the contract will have went to a game in France and see how it goes

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/articl...mRf3LGGrzGmduw

Club statement on the passports, doesn’t say much apart from calling for patience

Can i ask a really stupid question :greengrin

Is the 'vaccine passport' your letter you get confirming you have had both jabs ?

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Originally Posted by HibbyAndy

Can i ask a really stupid question :greengrin

Is the 'vaccine passport' your letter you get confirming you have had both jabs ?

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Yes. And you can now download a pdf to your phone with qr codes of the details.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

If you're likening Sturgeon to Thatcher, I find it hard to believe that you lived through Thatcher. If you did then you werent paying attention.

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quite possibly the most imbecilic post i've ever read on here :agree:

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Originally Posted by HibbyAndy

Can i ask a really stupid question :greengrin

Is the 'vaccine passport' your letter you get confirming you have had both jabs ?

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Yes, and it will be available on an app at the end of the month

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Originally Posted by O'Rourke3

Yes. And you can now download a pdf to your phone with qr codes of the details.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Yes, and it will be available on an app at the end of the month

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Cheers guys :aok:

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Originally Posted by HibbyAndy

Can i ask a really stupid question :greengrin

Is the 'vaccine passport' your letter you get confirming you have had both jabs ?

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If you've got your details you can download it on your smartphone from the nhs inform site, makes it simpler than having to carry a bit of paper round with you.

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Originally Posted by HibbyAndy

Cheers guys :aok:

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Multi quoting now Andy, coming on leaps and bounds😀

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Originally Posted by LunasBoots

If you've got your details you can download it on your smartphone from the nhs inform site, makes it simpler than having to carry a bit of paper round with you.

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Yeah mate done that also , Cheers

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Multi quoting now Andy, coming on leaps and bounds😀

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Billy back in the day i used to be an avid poster and kent how to multi quote , Highlight , Font , Images the lot :greengrin

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I suppose the argument would be that you could give your ticket to an unvaxxed person.

Since the tickets are supposed to be non transferable then I’d imagine Hibs could cover themselves with that.

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Likely path is for all vaxed ST holders to upload their vax cert (or QR code) to Hibs. Hibs then mark their record with a big tick, and arrange for photo to be added to ST card or digital ST. Cost attached to that, but only have to do it once.

None of that will stop a ST holder giving their ticket to someone who is unvaxed, but should deter and make detection easier for stewards when they randomly ask to see the photo. Anyone caught trying to enter with someone else's ST, then ST holder loses their ticket.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Likely path is for all vaxed ST holders to upload their vax cert (or QR code) to Hibs. Hibs then mark their record with a big tick, and arrange for photo to be added to ST card or digital ST. Cost attached to that, but only have to do it once.

None of that will stop a ST holder giving their ticket to someone who is unvaxed, but should deter and make detection easier for stewards when they randomly ask to see the photo. Anyone caught trying to enter with someone else's ST, then ST holder loses their ticket.

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Why do ST not include a photo already? Is it a cost thing?

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Originally Posted by Stokesy's on fire

Jane Godley is another one of Sturgeons Muppet's. The sooner this modern day Thatcher is removed the better

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Laughing at you because I find it hard to believe you posted that in all seriousness.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

If everyone does I would expect you would want to turn up at least 30 minutes before you usually do. From what was said earlier there isn't a way to scan the passports at fitba grounds yet. Mind you they have a huge 21 days to both precure and pay for the necessary equipment. Even then and if it goes really well it will still slow down entry. I suspect spot checks, people without passports chancing it and stewards having to deal with the fallout. There are still countless question anyway regarding proving your ID, will photo ID be needed, what to do when the name on a ticket doesn't match the name of the ticket holder etc etc.

I disagree that your status will change though during a 8 month period. There is a fair chance you will need a booster and an updated passport. Lots of other new findings could also change the view to Passports. If Sturgeon and Harvie are to be believed in the past I don't think Passports sits easily with them.

Showing your Passport to the Ticket Office staff sounds like a good idea but that is putting more work on them and it may change the type of IT and data requirements they need, Thinking back to my training medical data is in the special category which is more protected and may have different timetables for deletion, requirements for security etc. On the face of it the idea sounds good but I suspect the legalities may be different. It wouldn't surprise me if there is debate around GDPR in terms of passports depending on how they are scanned and how the information is stored. I'd be amazed if there wasn't a GDPR expert on here who will know if there is any difficulties in your suggestion.

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Did you miss the fact that most smart phones have QR readers.

The information in the QR code will be read easily and give the steward your name, age and date of vaccine (probably the version of vaccine as well) I don't think any new equipment is required.

I easily got a QR code for my website. Any smart phone can read it and be taken straight to the website.

Rocket science it is not.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Why do ST not include a photo already? Is it a cost thing?

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Don't want to scare the sanner😉

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Originally Posted by J-C

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Laughing at you because I find it hard to believe you posted that in all seriousness.

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Think there is a fair whiff of attention seeking going on with that poster. Best ignored at least until they’ve reached secondary school age

Thinking about the practicalities of this.

If you arrive and there's a queue, then it's easy enough for a steward to check your covid passport whilst you're waiting to get through the turnstile and it won't delay you getting in.

If there's no queue, then the few seconds it will take for a check won't delay you.

It might not be practical to check everyone, but a large enough proportion can be checked to provide both reassurance and deterrence.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Likely path is for all vaxed ST holders to upload their vax cert (or QR code) to Hibs. Hibs then mark their record with a big tick, and arrange for photo to be added to ST card or digital ST. Cost attached to that, but only have to do it once.

None of that will stop a ST holder giving their ticket to someone who is unvaxed, but should deter and make detection easier for stewards when they randomly ask to see the photo. Anyone caught trying to enter with someone else's ST, then ST holder loses their ticket.

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Yeah I reckon that’ll be the route we go down as well.

The Ts and Cs of not handing over season tickets will cover Hibs.

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

Thinking about the practicalities of this.

If you arrive and there's a queue, then it's easy enough for a steward to check your covid passport whilst you're waiting to get through the turnstile and it won't delay you getting in.

If there's no queue, then the few seconds it will take for a check won't delay you.

It might not be practical to check everyone, but a large enough proportion can be checked to provide both reassurance and deterrence.

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As I've already said, that's about 6 weeks I've had mine and I've used it loads of times with no hassle whatsoever , including at the Lorient festival where there were thousands of people about.

As long as you have your pass ready to be scanned there's no need for any delays.

I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

If everyone does I would expect you would want to turn up at least 30 minutes before you usually do. From what was said earlier there isn't a way to scan the passports at fitba grounds yet. Mind you they have a huge 21 days to both precure and pay for the necessary equipment. Even then and if it goes really well it will still slow down entry. I suspect spot checks, people without passports chancing it and stewards having to deal with the fallout. There are still countless question anyway regarding proving your ID, will photo ID be needed, what to do when the name on a ticket doesn't match the name of the ticket holder etc etc.

I disagree that your status will change though during a 8 month period. There is a fair chance you will need a booster and an updated passport. Lots of other new findings could also change the view to Passports. If Sturgeon and Harvie are to be believed in the past I don't think Passports sits easily with them.

Showing your Passport to the Ticket Office staff sounds like a good idea but that is putting more work on them and it may change the type of IT and data requirements they need, Thinking back to my training medical data is in the special category which is more protected and may have different timetables for deletion, requirements for security etc. On the face of it the idea sounds good but I suspect the legalities may be different. It wouldn't surprise me if there is debate around GDPR in terms of passports depending on how they are scanned and how the information is stored. I'd be amazed if there wasn't a GDPR expert on here who will know if there is any difficulties in your suggestion.

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Some of th training I provide at work requires people to sign a medical declaration relating to covid, we have to handle this data as medical in confidence and retain for 18 months. I'd assume this is no different

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Originally Posted by Risboro Hibby

I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

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So do you think having more than 10k vaccinated people in the same place is a good idea?

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Originally Posted by Risboro Hibby

I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

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It will save 97% of us the rest will get severe disease, times that by thousands. We're going round in circles though, get vaccinated or your watching tam and the gang on hibs tv

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Originally Posted by Risboro Hibby

I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

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No vaccine is 100% effective, but it makes it much less likely that you will catch the virus, suffer as badly from it or pass it on compared to an unvaccinated person.

So someone who has had both shots still has a risk of catching it from an unvaccinated person and a much lower risk of catching it from a vaccinated person. it's the overall reduction in risk that counts.

As regards civil liberties, why should your liberty to not be vaccinated be more important that the liberty of everyone around you to minimise their risk of catching Covid? Choices have consequences, and if you don't like the consequences of your choice, then you need to rethink your decision, not blame others for your own selfishness.

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Originally Posted by Risboro Hibby

I have been reading some of the comments on here and can’t believe how Covid has made us lose our backbone. For goodness sake the people who have been vaccinated should be at no risk from those who haven’t. If you believe in the vaccination it will save you from serious illness. Our medical history should be no concern to the Government and for a government to ask a football club or any private company to do this is just unbelievable. Every football club’s fans that have over 10 k at matches, should be marching on the Scottish Parliament today and demanding that this restriction on our Civil liberties never sees the light of day.

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That is nonsense because some people have not had vaccinations. Predominantly younger people. It is better to have some precautions in place to allow events to go ahead especially as the number of cases in the country are increasing. This could also be a consequence of crowd events being open.