No, but we do know that the world will end if Scotland leaves the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpj
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No, but we do know that the world will end if Scotland leaves the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpj
Deary me.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Someone should so we can check them off in a generation when they’re supposed to materialise. Or did Mogg say 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Amazing they even have enough sense to breatheQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Looking forward to Francois, Bridgen, etc, adjusting their mantra to "Let's Get Brexit Done, it's what 161.7 million people wanted".Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
That Gino Francois, the dyed-in-the-wool Englishman?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
A lot of people in engurland saying they will vote tory "just this once" so that the will of the people are "respected".
I never realized when people went to the ballot box to vote for brexit, they did so with the understanding that it meant the NHS being shelved off to the highest bidder in the US. Dodgy trade deals with the US which will see regulation standards plummet. The implementation of greater tax dodging schemes for rich tories. A major recession with mass unemployment and other draconian measures that wouldn't look out of place in the 19th century.
They've all lost their minds! :bitchy: Lets get Scotland out of here!
"I am aware of his work" :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
THREAD: How the Thomas the Tank Engine characters voted in the EU referendum.
THOMAS: Remain. Really likes the BBC's Brexitcast podcast and recommends it to everybody. https://t.co/JCB8gRInZM
I see Brexit is working for those who voted for it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50586338
I wonder what the Stop Brexit shouty man is doing these days?
You really should stop trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
That is brilliant! Funniest thing I've read for ages :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
He has vowed to “fight on” apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
And so the end game begins. It’s all over bar the shouting.
Nah. Only :cb the end of the beginning :cb .Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Providing it was only EU migrants they were concerned about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
"The ONS estimated that about 229,000 more non-EU citizens moved to the UK than left in the year ending June 2019."
Frying pan and fire should spring to mind. If Brexit was their answer to their problems.
They can already control those migrants. Don’t seem to be very good at it though!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
It's not like they've been in power for 10 years or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Freedom of movement continuing if you've got the moolah (warning, contains David Rowland content). :rolleyes:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1YN18N
MPs have voted for the Withdrawal Agreement bill.
358 to 234
The UK is on its way to leaving the EU.
The size of that majority points to a fair number of Labour MPs breaking ranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Meanwhile... https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c2&oe=5E67DF14 Real people continue to suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Whatever England wants is what will happen now. We just have to accept that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Hasn't the Rees-Mogg family trust relocated its HQ to Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
6 voted with the Tories, not sure about abstentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Edit - and 32 abstained.
I think an investment company he's involved with moved its funds there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballengeich
Almost a fifth of Labour MPs go against Corbyn's instructions to vote against the bill. That leadership election can't come quick enough for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I believe today is called mad Friday, parliament confirmed it.
Ironically the result of it is completely out of their control. Blairites like them should just cross the floor now.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
The DWP jobsworth who made this decision should be publicly birched, as, of course, should the heartless members of the government who made this possible. What an outrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by USAHibby
There is not enough information there to be outraged or anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
For starters "disability benefit" means nothing at all. As the doctor knows .
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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
there's plenty cases like this on social media, the caring tories.... one day Netflix will have a docuseries on the mindset of people who vote tory :agree:sickening, and a lot worse to come i'm sure of that
A terminally ill women having benefit taken from her is outrageous, no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
On reflection, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Terminally ill means death can be expected within six months.
It would be nice to hear the reasoning behind the decision.
Oh look, US takeover of UK defence company approved by the government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50874181
I'm not sure that the Americans have thought this whole thing through properly. When the time comes, how are they going to fit a 51st star in to the existing neat pattern on their flag?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Corbyn's a Brexiteer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
That c*** probably put them up to it.
So much for Corbyn being a security risk. The Government sneaked this one out hoping nobody would notice. Risks have been mitigated to an acceptable level? Remember that phrase when they start selling off chunks of the NHS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
But they told us that they wouldn't sell any of the NHS, are you saying that they lied?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I think you'd have to wait till it happens before you can say they lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Get the popcorn, sit back and enjoy :greengrin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCE4aVB4pjk
I saw the names Farage and Morgan in the information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Didn't look any further.
Morgan wasn't in it. Andrew Bridgen provided the giggles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Give him a knighthood, just to show what a man of the people he is.
After his abject failures to get elected to political power it's certainly beyond irony that our country's dubious system of patronage could see him finally getting into the system of government properly, great opportunity to enhance his income from the EU as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
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Income from the EU stops on the 1st of February 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
coming to your favourite supermarkets soon......:agree:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncn...rFnHXeUbZQAwvc
ALBERT LEA, Minnesota — America's food inspectors are warning that "unsafe" pork is likely making it to consumers under a change in rules for meat inspection.
"If this continues across the nation, when you open your package of meat, what you're gonna get for a pathogen is gonna be a mystery," Mauer said.
Potential defects, according to Mauer, include feces, sex organs, toenails, bladders and unwanted hair.
sure sounds delicious :rolleyes:
We're on our way back.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50917624
I see Johnson has his priority right.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ness-1-6457671
I can't for the life of me imagine a Tory, pals with Farage, being at odds with someone with that name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...e1&oe=5E91EC37
oh my.........can't wait till Boris's Bongs Bang on Big Ben..on the 31RD :hilarious
no point taking it down when we will be joining again soon enough...hopefully
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...7d&oe=5E96D09C
That badge a real thing, or Remainer photoshopaganda? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I saw it a few days ago and it looks real.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
The decision to take it down was made by the Parliament's corporate management body, rather than via a vote of Members.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Seems like the correct decision to me, irrespective of my views on Brexit.
Yeees! A flag debate! It’s been ages since we had one of them [emoji2957]Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Holyrood should fly a ****** big HARP! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51157933
"" Asked how differing regulations between the UK and EU may impact industries such as automotive and pharmaceuticals, he (Jarid) said: "We're also talking about companies that have known since 2016 that we are leaving the EU.
Admittedly, they didn't know the exact terms." ""
What a belter, the Chancellor is now blaming industries for not being prepared for new regulations but admits they had no idea what the terms of Brexit were going to be.
The Northern Ireland assembly have joined the Scottish Parliament in rejecting Johnson's withdrawal agreement. The Welsh assembly look likely to reject it in a vote tomorrow. Westminster will go ahead with it anyway, union of equals etc.
Brexiters not taking responsibility for the consequences of Brexit? Now there's a surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND PROJECTIONS: 'UK economy will grow faster than the eurozone in the first two years after Brexit'.Project fear slowly vanishing...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...-imf-k2h3vbdjm
That's certainly an unexpectedly positive forecast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
It does say this, however;
"Assuming there is an orderly Brexit at the end of the month, and a gradual transition to a new relationship with the bloc ... "
It's not unexpected though! Britain will thrive being Independent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...driver-growth/
Already 1000's of EU Financial Institutions are opening offices in the UK post Brexit.
https://www.cityam.com/over-1000-eu-...-after-brexit/.
In the 2 years before the 2016 referendum, UK growth was 3.1% and 2.3%. So achieving 1.4% and 1.5% in the 2 years after Brexit wouldn't be all that stunning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
My copy of that link says "over 1000" and it's clear that the figure must be somewhere between 1000 and 1441. Why do you call that "thousands"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
It's also clear from the article that there's many hundreds of UK firms having to open offices in the EU for the same reasons that EU firms are having to open offices in the UK. How is this Sunny Uplands? :dunno:
It's show that despite all the scaremongering that the UK post brexit is attracting investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
The growth of UK tech firms is faster than any other country in the world.
Of course it's sunny uplands it's all positive news. Why not celebrate it after all the negative rubbish that has been posted relentlessly by remoaners.
I will believe money is coming into the country, when the value of the pound goes up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
It's very clear, if you read the article that you linked, that the main reason for this office-opening activity is to circumvent Brexit-induced restrictions. The EU firms are "planning to open offices in post-Brexit Britain so they can continue to serve UK clients". That's not 'attracting investment'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
https://news.google.com/articles/CBM...B&ceid=GB%3AenQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I don’t think it does. The way I read it is that if EU companies want to continue to trade they have to apply for a UK licence. Seems to be a sensible application, and by no means guarantees new offices or new staff. What I’d be asking is how many companies have not applied for a licence? If there are 3,000 companies, and less than half have applied for a UK licence, you could legitimately view that situation as “UK loses thousands”?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
My company is a good example of the consequences of Brexit. They've had to move half their assets to the EU that were previously UK based. With the assets have gone jobs and UK tax revenue. There of course will be reciprocal moves in assets from the EU to UK locations in other companies but no where near as much as in the other direction. Brexit will take a while to show on the books and there will be an initial spike in trade whilst companies attempt to secure short term access to products they need, but in the long run they will seek cheaper and less bureaucratic means of sourcing that what they need. The spike we're seeing now is not the start of a new era of UK prosperity but the dying throes of an old one.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Oh well if Andrea Leadsom's confident that's me convinced. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavers
This feels a bit like Conservative arithmetic.
A UK company shuts an office (or part thereof) and opens it in the EU.
A EU company shuts an office (or part thereof) and opens it in the UK.
= 1 new office
:greengrin
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Yet here is evidence of at least one part of the economy doing rather well and far from dying throes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
https://technation.io/news/2019-a-re...r-for-uk-tech/
And today we see even higher employment figures and unemployment staying at near 40 year lows. And no before someone says it it’s not down to zero hour contracts and indeed full time employment saw a big boost.
Wage figures also holding steady and comfortably in front of inflation.
And that’s with ‘Brexit uncertainty’.
Of course it remains to be seen what happens when Brexit Mk1 arrives and then the fabled and oft misunderstood trade agreement.
Decent Guardian article.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aginary-nation
:agree: F O'T has been the best of Brexit commentators over the past few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
:agree: and the Irish Times has provided a decent objective view from the outside looking in.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I wonder how the Scots Tories will react when the inevitable fishing sell out happens?
This is a brilliant (and interestingly written) article.
Very good read outlining what needs to be done and when.
Enjoy.
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/202...johnson-s-trad
With fury I’d imagine but I’m not sure where you are getting any indication that this will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Previously Gove in particular has been very clear that access to UK waters would be separate to any trade discussions (they are after all two different things). Has there been something said or highlighted that indicates that this position has changed and the ‘inevitable sell out’ is on its way?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...08e97ed212b178Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
I’m obv. being slow but where does that say that there is an inevitable sell out on the way?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
The "inevitable" bit is my opinion, feel free to disagree. :wink: It's coming though.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
OK fair enough. You may well be right but I can’t see anything in your link that says anything different from what has been uttered previously so I’m a bit confused as to what prompted your post in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Time will tell I suppose but I very much doubt that the UK will give up access in the same way it has previously through the CFP. That of course doesn’t mean the UK fishermen will be entirely happy at the final outcome but hey what’s new there [emoji2957]
"Even though Brexit Is Done and we're completely out of the EU their corrupt unelected undemocratic bureaucrats are still trying to bully us. We are England and we won't stand for it."Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
The navy doesn't have enough surface vessels to patrol the fishing grounds. Open season with no protection and no EU quotas to be adhered to
Taken from the article I linked.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
“Fishing? Really? Surely that's a tiny dot in the economy. And given that they've given up services you wouldn't expect them to get too het up about it.
True. But it matters to the communities who do it and it has a political importance that far exceeds its economic impact. Britain also has a watertight legal case for its demand. Basically, sovereign coastal states have a 200 mile limit out to sea in which they can fish, under the UN Law of the Sea Convention.
Cool name for an international convention.
Isn't it. The whole thing is very Aquaman.
I always preferred Namor.
Everyone sensible does. He has those little wings on his ankles which let him fly. That is so preposterous and wonderful at the same time. Imagine what it looks like to see him fly with the little wing thingies on his ankles.
You were talking about fisheries policy.
Ah yes. So the British position is simple. We are now going to be a sovereign coastal state. We want our 200 mile limit. We'll decide what goes on there. The EU position is very different. It wants everything to stay the same as it is right now.
And what is the status quo for fishing exactly?
Basically anything outside of 12 miles from a member state is a common area. The stocks of individual fish species are then divided up between countries in set quotas to prevent overfishing. So Britain might have a 15% share of a particular stock, for instance. Those quotas are set. They do not change. But each year scientists provide advice on the total allowable catch. If it was 100,000 tonnes, Britain would get 15,000 tonnes that year. And that's how they divide up the stock.
So they want that to stick.
Yeah. But Britain, on the other hand, will probably want something like what Norway has. Each year, in the autumn, Norway gets together with the Europeans and sorts out some annual fish arrangements. It's fraught and tense, but it has a lot of power in the talks. They haggle over how much of a quota it gets on certain stocks. And unlike in the EU, that quota can change. Sometimes, if no agreement can be reached, Norway just says you can't fish in their waters at all. Britain would love to operate just like that.
Why can't it? You said the law is on the UK side.
It is, but the leverage isn't.
Recurring theme.
Quite. We can take control of our waters and block anyone fishing within 200 miles of them if we want, but there's a problem: we don't eat our own fish. Eighty per cent of what we catch goes to the EU. The fish we actually eat - good old British fish and chips - mostly comes from Norway and Iceland.
OK, but so what?
So the European threat is simple. If we don't do what they want they'll put tariffs on fish. That would absolutely hammer our fishing industry. The tariffs are high in this area and it would apply on almost everything it sells.
OK so what about some sort of compromise? Maybe the UK could stay in the EU system but they agree to rejig the quotas a bit to placate us.
Tempting, but the trouble is that would involve opening up the whole quota debate across the EU again. It would be like opening Pandora's Fish Box. They won't do that.
So we're faced with two sides with really quite distant goals in a highly emotional area of trade.
Yep. Which is why it's instructive to look at how they plan to talk about this. Britain wants to talk about fish separately to everything else. But the Europeans aren't having any of that. They want to bring the issue into the general trade discussion. And that'll be the attitude throughout - the British trying to silo off individual topics so they can't be used as leverage against each other and the Europeans making it more comprehensive.”
J
Very good :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
That was very interesting and surprisingly easy to read. We are doomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Ach away, you just have to believe! (I believe we're ****ed, will that do?)Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Originally Posted by RyeSloan
So 75% of fish caught in UK water is exported to Europe. But fishing won't be part of the trade negotiations?
https://mobile-reuters-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1PP2AF?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCK AE%3D#aoh=15801638656256&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fww w.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https %3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2***-britain-eu-fishing-idUSKCN1PP2AF
A pedant would point out that the article suggests 75% of 75% goes to the EU [emoji2957]Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
As to your question, I have no idea as I suppose it depends on how wide the parameters are for the trade deal are. I’m sure though that through some sort of agreement / process the level of access for the EU fishing fleet will be agreed, I’m not aware of anyone saying anything otherwise.
Debate rages about the new 50p coin. In particular the merits or otherwise of the Oxford comma which doesn't come with it.
"Superglue the Brexit 50p to the pavement outside any Wetherspoons..." :hmmm:
Fishing is one of the few areas where the UK actually has a bit of leverage and in fact it makes total sense to use a bargaining chip that is a tiny blip on the UK economy in order to get a better deal for the crucial cash generating financial services industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
However, politically in Scotland, it'll be a Tory sell out of a totemic industry to help London and another wee nail in the Union's coffin. Oh dear, what a shame, never mind. :wink:
After one wash all the colours come out and you then have a white flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves