How was it good for us? We got considerably worse?Quote:
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How was it good for us? We got considerably worse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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We were 6th in the league when he left and we finished 5th. We picked up 1.22ppg before he left that season and 1.56ppg after he left. We went on an undefeated run of 5 games conceding 2 goals immediately after he left. We got considerably better by every measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Before he left we had won 4 in 14 league games, losing 9 of them. Not mention losing 3-0 to Hearts twice in a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
After he left won 4 of the next 5 games and only lost 5 games in remaining 16 fixtures.
Him leaving coincided with Rocky getting injured for the remainder of the season. If Porteous hadn’t left when Rocky got injured it would have been him and Hanlon who were an excellent partnership at the start of that season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Miller can't even get a game just now in front of O'Hora and was only tried in that position because he couldn't get a regular game in his own position in front of Cadden. Porteous is a different level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
In their prime? Absolutely, 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Yet you could argue, and some have, that Miller has made a good and improved contribution to the recent run ?Quote:
Originally Posted by supermcginn
Either way, the team's improved and I'm still in the camp that very much would welcome Porto back.
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Rocky and Hanlon played centre back in more of those games than Porteous did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
I had a complete hissy fit about SDG bringing Triantis back so if he wants to bring Porteous back then I should maybe trust his judgement.
He missed the 3-0 league game fair enough, but apart from that he played basically every minute that season and we didn't get "considerably worse" after he left is the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Until he moves to right centre back I could barely see a footballer in Miller. He was average at best, always out of position and I cringed every time he took one of those defensive dives that fooled nobody but left us exposed. I just didn’t want to see his name in the starting line up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Then he slots in to a back three like he was born to it. He rarely misses a header and is a class act. Back three gives one of the centre backs the freedom to take a mazy run forward and he takes that in his stride. Suddenly we do have a quality player on our hands and I’d hate to see him leave. I’m all for Ryan Porteous coming back, he is a good player and a life long Hibs supporter but he’s got his work cut out if it’s Miller he’s expected to replace.
Personally, I think we’re seeing the end of Rocky and he would leave a big gap to fill. Don’t want to see him go but in a back three RP looks like he slots in there. Like both Rocky and Miller, Porteous did tend to be pulled about in a four. I’m excited to see him in a three where he has the freedom to go for a run.
Not at centre back he didn’t, a number of the games up to his departure he was playing in midfield and our centre back pairing was Rocky Bushiri and Paul Hanlon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
Over the opening 10 games of that season when we played a back 4 and Rocky missed a number of games injured, only Celtic conceded less goals than we did.
Our defensive record went to pot when LJ reintroduced Rocky at Celtic Park and improved again when Rocky got injured for the rest of the season.
Porteous is a funny one. I wasn’t disappointed to see him go as felt by time he left he thought he was far better than he was and was barking at team mates for mistakes when he was just as culpable.
However, seeing what David Gray has done with Miller and Rocky, I do wonder if SDG would have the same effect on Porteous. He must be someone he respects and I do feel there is a player in there with Porteous he just needs to reign in the stupidity.
That be the 6-1 game that Rocky didn't start but Porteous did and were 3-0 down before he came on?Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Wild any criticism of Porteous just leads to trying to deflect onto other players like he was some innocent bystander and his mind wasn't somewhere else as it got closer to January that season
Exactly where I am on this one - seems we have excellent coaching. I'll trust them to make the necessary improvements to his game if he returnsQuote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
Get what folk are saying about Gray improving players and that he could do that for Porto. But for that to happen there needs to be a willingness to learn and listen from the player.
By the sounds of it, Porto is still doing the same things and is just as rash going by the Watford forum. On the flip side, he has been, most of the time anyway, excellent when playing for Scotland, so maybe he can listen and improve.
Changing a defensive unit that had been working well for the most part because they struggled at Celtic Park was a tactical masterstroke by LJ. Thankfully, SDG is unlikely to do the same after Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElginHibbie
That's only true if Hibs have offered him a new contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Is the case to bring him back all based on what he did in the past for Hibs? There is very little in his form down south that would make him someone we should go after.
If he was being a roaring success down South we couldn't afford him. Which kind of answers your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
As it is we have a guy capable of getting international caps, who should be entering the best years of his career, who maybe needs a bit of a reset. Gettable for hibs if that's the case. And we have a manager who can help him get where he needs to be.
We won't have a line on too many players that can be as good as Ryan can be in the right environment.
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
Rocky will leave next week whether or not he's been offered a contract.
I think if we can get a centre half that was a regular starter in a comfortable championship team for 2 seasons previous, who broke into the national team , that’s a great signing at our level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Porteous couldn't even get a game in a **** Preston North End side.
I've watched many a game with him playing since he went down South. He's not really progressed since he left Hibs.
It's a NO from me.
Agree with this. Plenty examples of folk not quite doing it down there but coming back up the road and doing well. It’s not as if he’s been out in the cold all year either, he’s started 30 odd games at a good level this season. We wouldn’t, usually, be able to attract players who had been playing that regularly in the Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilson
I don’t think Porteous has ever got to the level that I thought he could when first coming through but I still think he could come back and be a very good player for us.
Tbf, Watford are an absolute basket case, he came in and done very well for the first 12 months, and usual the second his form dropped a bit he was made to be a scapegoat, some of the comments I had seen surrounding Joao Pedro when he left tells me all I need to know about Watford fans.
Paul Heckingbottom brought him in, hasn't played him and currently has a 25.49 win rate at PNE.
He could be extremely unhappy with life down south and it could be effecting his performances, we don't know the full ins and outs.
All we know is when Ryan is happy and playing football regularly he is a top player.
3rd place finish and his G/C record while playing in a settled defence is enough evidence to bring him back, our schedule, his international and SPFL experience and performances in a back 3/5 for Scotland will suit us nicely.
I have no idea where this rumour has come from but Porto in a settled defence in place of Rocky would be a great signing. Porto was in a poor hibs team compared to where we are now.
Considering Ryan is 26 and McGinn & Hanlon are 34/35 respectively and now reaching the twilight years of their careers this doesn't really make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
IF both were the same age as Ryan they'd still be at hibs.
European group stage football could be huge in terms of who we can sign. Could be a game changer. Let's hope Celtic turn up in the Cup Final.
Porto seems to get himself into a comfort zone fairly easily and the slackness creeps back in. A motivated Porto that doesn't see a move back to Hibs as a step down I'd definitely have back though.
According to the DR, Sallinger release clause is £300k, though he's keen on the move going into his final year so we’re confident we can negotiate the fee down a bit.
Still think going for Paulsen makes more sense.