Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

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21-06-2019, 11:03 AM
GlesgaeHibby

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Welsh tory mp removed by constituency.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176

Lib dems will fancy their chances in this seat. Would be a great start for Boris. Edging closer to that general election.
21-06-2019, 11:20 AM
Moulin Yarns

Are we looking at another suspension?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48713978
21-06-2019, 11:21 AM
James310

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Unless I'm missing something, has the EU not been clear that renegotiation of 'the deal' is not happening. In which case all Johnson/Hunt can do in Westminster is put the existing withdrawal agreement back to parliament?

The only thing that could change is the wording of the political declaration about the future relationship between the EU and the UK.

We agree, there is a first.

Boris says he will get a deal but how, I have no idea. He will also not get a no deal through Parliament so we are back to where we started at.
21-06-2019, 11:23 AM
Moulin Yarns

And possibly another suspension, where will it end?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-48713049
21-06-2019, 11:27 AM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by James310

We agree, there is a first.

Boris says he will get a deal but how, I have no idea. He will also not get a no deal through Parliament so we are back to where we started at.

👍😁

I realise that Johnson /Hunt wouldn't repeal A50, so what next? Second referendum, neither will want that. The only way out of the impasse, as far as I can see is a general election, maybe a no confidence vote first.
21-06-2019, 11:55 AM
G B Young

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Of course I meant peaceful. Yes this woman was a peaceful protester armed only with some leaflets on climate change. And yes stopping traffic is peaceful protest.
Where do you draw the line on the states violence in suppressing protest? Is it ok to grab a woman by the throat? What about water canons? Tanks Tiananmen Square style? What degree of state violence against peaceful protest is ok for you?

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I'd have stopped short of water cannons, but would have happily seen some kids sent in with some of those pump-action water pistols to give the protesters stopping traffic in Edinburgh a good soaking :wink:

More seriously, as somebody who has worked in liaison with the emergency services, I can't condone any sort of protest that jeopardises their ability to carry out their job, which lying down in the street to stop traffic certainly does.

Personally, I think any organised protest which has gone through the official channels is absolutely fine and, provided it sticks to its remit, there should be no reason for violence. Be that independence marches, Stop the War marches or People's Vote marches, there's no reason you can't ensure much more effective and sympathetic media coverage than by gatecrashing an event like last night's. We had a traffic free day in the Old Town recently as part of the Open Doors event and that garnered plenty of positive coverage.

Unannounced protests like that, or the climate change protest in Edinburgh this week are purposely confrontational and likely to lead to heightened reactions, which ever way your sympathies lie. I don't really have any more sympathy for those sort of protesters than I do for pitch invaders at Easter Road.
21-06-2019, 12:29 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by G B Young

I'd have stopped short of water cannons, but would have happily seen some kids sent in with some of those pump-action water pistols to give the protesters stopping traffic in Edinburgh a good soaking :wink:

More seriously, as somebody who has worked in liaison with the emergency services, I can't condone any sort of protest that jeopardises their ability to carry out their job, which lying down in the street to stop traffic certainly does.

Personally, I think any organised protest which has gone through the official channels is absolutely fine and, provided it sticks to its remit, there should be no reason for violence. Be that independence marches, Stop the War marches or People's Vote marches, there's no reason you can't ensure much more effective and sympathetic media coverage than by gatecrashing an event like last night's. We had a traffic free day in the Old Town recently as part of the Open Doors event and that garnered plenty of positive coverage.

Unannounced protests like that, or the climate change protest in Edinburgh this week are purposely confrontational and likely to lead to heightened reactions, which ever way your sympathies lie. I don't really have any more sympathy for those sort of protesters than I do for pitch invaders at Easter Road.

You make good points about the effectiveness or desirability of different types of protest but we can’t allow the state to use violence to suppress it. That should be a red line. If the protest is peaceful then we have the courts and criminal justice system for dealing with any inconvenience caused.

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21-06-2019, 01:01 PM
Pete

As for the protest, I’m sorry but I don’t believe that’s how you would deal with someone if you thought they were genuinely dangerous or a security risk. You wouldn’t grab someone like that and frogmarch them out, even if they were half your size.

I’m sure he was “acting on instinct”, but not the ones he’s suggesting we believe and you don’t have to be Sigmund Freud to work them out. A mask definitely slipped.

Good for the protestors. Much more of the same please.
21-06-2019, 01:53 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Pete

As for the protest, I’m sorry but I don’t believe that’s how you would deal with someone if you thought they were genuinely dangerous or a security risk. You wouldn’t grab someone like that and frogmarch them out, even if they were half your size.

I’m sure he was “acting on instinct”, but not the ones he’s suggesting we believe and you don’t have to be Sigmund Freud to work them out. A mask definitely slipped.

Good for the protestors. Much more of the same please.

His instincts would have been very different if it had been a 120kg 6ft bloke. This was a chance to assault a woman and he took it.

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21-06-2019, 01:54 PM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

His instincts would have been very different if it had been a 120kg 6ft bloke. This was a chance to assault a woman and he took it.

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:rolleyes:
21-06-2019, 03:08 PM
Moulin Yarns

I've already posted about the following, but it made me chuckle

https://twitter.com/patrickharvie/st...264903171?s=19
21-06-2019, 08:08 PM
Ozyhibby

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

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21-06-2019, 11:04 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

:rolleyes:

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Type of man he is.

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22-06-2019, 09:12 AM
southsider

We have a guy (certainly not a man) who had the Police at his door for 'beating up his partner'. This piece of sh*t is ready to be the next PM of the UK. It's just unthinkable that any right minded person would vote for this clown. What, imho, is needed a London free, Pro-independence Labour Party who can deliver what the people need. Proper pensions, a totally state run NHS and properly managed Schools. Abolishing the charity status of fee-paying schools would also be a step in the right direction.
22-06-2019, 10:04 AM
Radium

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There is something utterly toxic on both sides of the political spectrum and it is relatively easy to apply a filter.

However...

This is the response of a Telegraph columnist to a neighbour recording the sounds of a disturbance in the flat next door.

Having seen at close quarters the impact of Domestic abuse, this attitude cannot be allowed to get traction.

The details of the incident will be debated, the levels of intrusion will increase but it must never be the case that reporting the incident was the issue.

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22-06-2019, 10:29 AM
The Modfather

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Originally Posted by southsider

We have a guy (certainly not a man) who had the Police at his door for 'beating up his partner'. This piece of sh*t is ready to be the next PM of the UK. It's just unthinkable that any right minded person would vote for this clown. What, imho, is needed a London free, Pro-independence Labour Party who can deliver what the people need. Proper pensions, a totally state run NHS and properly managed Schools. Abolishing the charity status of fee-paying schools would also be a step in the right direction.

Where did you read he “beat up his parther”? Agree with the rest of your post.
22-06-2019, 01:07 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Radium

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There is something utterly toxic on both sides of the political spectrum and it is relatively easy to apply a filter.

However...

This is the response of a Telegraph columnist to a neighbour recording the sounds of a disturbance in the flat next door.

Having seen at close quarters the impact of Domestic abuse, this attitude cannot be allowed to get traction.

The details of the incident will be debated, the levels of intrusion will increase but it must never be the case that reporting the incident was the issue.

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Allison Pearson and Ally McCoist, two completely similar ****s in a pod.
22-06-2019, 02:31 PM
Ozyhibby

Interesting how many Tories are now against neighbours getting involved in domestic abuse. It’s neighbours reporting domestic abuse that saves lives.

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22-06-2019, 03:42 PM
Callum_62

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22-06-2019, 03:43 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Interesting how many Tories are now against neighbours getting involved in domestic abuse. It’s neighbours reporting domestic abuse that saves lives.

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Bet they arnt against neighbours dobbing in potential immigration breaches

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22-06-2019, 04:59 PM
Future17

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Originally Posted by Radium

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...92d1d11185.jpg

There is something utterly toxic on both sides of the political spectrum and it is relatively easy to apply a filter.

However...

This is the response of a Telegraph columnist to a neighbour recording the sounds of a disturbance in the flat next door.

Having seen at close quarters the impact of Domestic abuse, this attitude cannot be allowed to get traction.

The details of the incident will be debated, the levels of intrusion will increase but it must never be the case that reporting the incident was the issue.

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She's followed it up with a suggestion that the neighbours recorded "a private conversation" and that people who are ok with it have a "stazi (sic) mindset".

You couldn't make it up.
22-06-2019, 05:03 PM
cabbageandribs1875

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Mark Field slipping the tongue to Lucia Hunt

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https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/in-th...ptcICBmHemp5WQ
22-06-2019, 07:09 PM
Hibernia&Alba

Who was Bozo arguing with when the police were called? Was it his wife or one of his many bits on the side?
22-06-2019, 07:28 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

Who was Bozo arguing with when the police were called? Was it his wife or one of his many bits on the side?

Bidie-in.
22-06-2019, 08:09 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by southsider

We have a guy (certainly not a man) who had the Police at his door for 'beating up his partner'. This piece of sh*t is ready to be the next PM of the UK.

:tsk tsk: Bojoke doesn't beat people up. But he is happy to discuss having others beaten up.
22-06-2019, 08:13 PM
Callum_62

Why is Johnson so popular?

Folk talk about him being charismatic etc but every time I've seen him he stumbles and bumbles his way through and often contradicts what he's said in the past

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22-06-2019, 08:21 PM
Future17

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

Mark Field slipping the tongue to Lucia Hunt

Attachment 22214

https://graziadaily.co.uk/life/in-th...ptcICBmHemp5WQ

Well that's more than a little creepy-looking.
22-06-2019, 08:25 PM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by Future17

Well that's more than a little creepy-looking.

I'm no fan of the Tories but I have issues with that article. It's taking a couple of still photos and making all sorts of assumptions without any sense of context or perspective.

That's the way propaganda works.
22-06-2019, 09:01 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Why is Johnson so popular?

Folk talk about him being charismatic etc but every time I've seen him he stumbles and bumbles his way through and often contradicts what he's said in the past

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I think that's part of his appeal to some: he isn't the robotic politician who uses the usual arid phrases. His persona is the slightly baffled posh boy with ruffled hair. However, make no mistake, he's a devious bassa who is much more intelligent and calculating than he pretends to be.
22-06-2019, 09:05 PM
Future17

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I'm no fan of the Tories but I have issues with that article. It's taking a couple of still photos and making all sorts of assumptions without any sense of context or perspective.

That's the way propaganda works.

To be honest, I didn't read the article, but I agree with your point nonetheless.

His body and hand/arm position is awkward at best though (given what little we know about the context.

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