The inflammatory language and the gun happy nut jobs. What can go wrong.Quote:
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The inflammatory language and the gun happy nut jobs. What can go wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
What kind of weirdo has a Richard Nixon tattoo down their back? :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
You do worry if the US might be the edge of a pretty terrifying implosion just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Good news! The virus is going to go away without a vaccine because of “herd mentality”.
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I just watched that interview - I’m sure he started his sentence with turd and then corrected himself as well??Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
And it's apparently Sleepy Joe Biden's fault that the country didn't implement a law that requires people to wear face masks.
You know, Joe Biden, the guy that's not actually the President.
I really cannot stand him. Just the sight of him is sickening, and that's before he opens his stupid mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
The guy that's been wearing a face mask and the guy that Trump has derided for doing so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
How does that work?
I have the same reaction when I see him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I despise absolutely everything about him.
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
It's really quite stunning, and frightening, how much Trump can rationalise saying and doing things that are so obviously at odds with each other, this being a prime example.
More frightening is that his followers don’t know/don’t care or manage to justify it somehow. He could literally squat on their table and s*** in their cornflakes and they would still say “Trump 2020”Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
4 more years 🇺🇸
Well thought out and in depth response. Usual trump supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReg!
I'm not sure the US will last that long if he's in charge. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by TheReg!
A 26th woman has accused Trump of sexual assault:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...del-amy-dorris
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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
Very true mate
Time to re-read 1984Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by neil7908
My first thought when I read that article was, why wait twenty three years before going public about it?
Also, why did she then spend the next three days or so going to various events with Trump, including a return to his private box at the US Open?
:confused:
I hate to sound cynical about this because, if it's true, that's a deplorable way for anybody to behave... and I'm definitely not saying that it didn't happen (there's been so many accusations now that I'd find it hard to believe he's not a sexual predator).
You don’t have to look too far to see why any woman is reluctant to come forward with allegations against powerful men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Originally Posted by marinello59
Yeah, you're right, it's probably just that.
On the day that the US reaches 200,000 Covid deaths, Trump goes on the attack at the UN
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...united-nations
Deflecting the blame in light of the upcoming election?
Trump deflecting blame? Surely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
China seems to have dealt with the problem quite well and they didn’t get the prior warning (ignored) that the US got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
A picture tells a thousand words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
If that's accurate, it's incredible. And damning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I took both maps from separate sources, I've no reason to believe they're inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Good work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...187262978?s=21
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Pretty sure I said a long way back in this thread that this was always his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Civil war is coming.
Putin is gonna destabilise them without a drop of Russian blood spilt.
Ironic approach, given it's only a week or so since his AG said protestors should be charged with sedition. A Trump refusal to leave after losing the election would, IMO, be sedition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://youtu.be/Su4dvYmpKy4Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Bill Maher predicting Trump not leaving office quietly if he loses, this interview was in June last year.
Even if he loses by a landslide he won’t leave, he’s been sewing the seeds of doubt for months now with the “fraudulent” mail in ballots bullsh*t. He’s got a corrupt AG on his side and is pushing for a hard right appointment in the Supreme Court to balance things in his favour. He’s making all the moves he needs to fudge a victory. He’s a cheating fat canute so DO NOT rule out him losing and still being president for another four years.
If he somehow cheats his way into 4 more years then it won't stop at that. If he's still alive for 2024 he'll 'win' that, followed by Don Junior or Ivanka in 2028.Quote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
Lunatics
https://youtu.be/zFeYLKbsyJM
Jeezo, from A****a to Ivanka, what a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
I think he will lose and leave office kicking and screaming but unless the Trump organisation is brought to its knees with massive fraud cases that result in charges against the children then there is a good chance one of them wins the republican nomination in 2024. The brand is strong with racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
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It shouldn’t matter whether HE decides to accept the result, the tripartite structure of government should mean he has no choice in the matter. Lindsay Graham and McConnell fairly quickly contradicted Trump the other day, which suggests there is still a tiny sliver of sanity left in the GOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
The main fight for both presidential and senate elections in November will be between the party who wants maximum enfranchisement, against a second party who wants to keep voters away, which is a remarkable position for a supposedly functional democracy.
If he loses in anything other than a Bush/Gore Florida hanging chads tiny margin kind of way then I have no doubt that regardless of what he is saying now, he will be faced down by both the House of Representatives and the Senate quickly and effectively and then escorted from the White House by the Secret Service whether he likes it or not.
It is one thing to bull**** your crap while you are the President, it is altogether another to try that on when you have lost a democratic election. In that scenario he would lose enough elected Republicans (and supporters) to torch his own position.
Donny the PresidentQuote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Packed his bags
And said goodbye
To the Whitehouse
Off he went...etc
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Interesting to see Biden channeling Harding with his ‘return to normalcy’ line.
Harding was a very popular president who saw of the nationalism of WW1 politics and heralded the Roaring 20s boom.
Died in office after 2 years.
Harris is no Coolidge, though.
I would take what Graham and McConnell said with a huge grain of salt given their public statements on Supreme Court Justices.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I've noted McConnell talked about "the winner" being inaugurated. Trumps tactic will be to query the Biden win. Ultimately it would go to the Supreme Court which is now packed with Republican judges. They will then declare Trump the winner.
The above scenario is fanciful I realise but I think if Trump has shown anything, it's that the Republican party have no morals or backbone.
Yes, that’s true, and I don’t take either of their word as tablets of stone. And Lindsey Graham is almost pathological about turning his back on previous promises. But he needs centrist votes to stay in his tight senate race in South Carolina. And it’s better than a statement of the opposite intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
There’s a Johnathan Freedland piece in a similar vein https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...tives-power-us
and suggesting that liberal states could ‘break off’ from a future authoritarian federation. Which isn’t that fanciful. What does Alabama really have in common with California?
https://twitter.com/someknew/status/...491206657?s=21
For anyone not feeling very clever this morning, this should sort you out.
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Look alike the tax return story is out.... Not looking particulary good reading for Trump. Donald or Ivanka
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He has demanded Joe Bidden undertakes a drug test before the debate tomorrow.
He's off his headQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Performance enhancing drugs for a debate are...
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Poor f*****s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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New York Times expose: he's broke; hundreds of millions in debt; pays no taxes; fraud and corruption. I wonder why he's been refusing to release his returns? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
https://youtu.be/OC-23kldIp8
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's a pity the camera shot is so high. It would interest me to see if these guys have opposing thumbs.
Should take one himself, I'm sure it's a pretty well known rumour that Trump is off his tits on adderall, that and Jnr looks off his face on coke anytime he's on tvQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Well, no, go to any meeting of people who support Johnson or Brexit and you'll get the same level of person as on this video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Unfortunately, the worst politicians for the people have now realised that to win power you don't need to convince the people who know what they're talking about, but instead sway the stupidest people in the country to blame people different to them in terms of colour, gender, sexuality, country of origin and say that they'll sort that out.
Has anyone watched Succession on Sky?
Makes me think of the Trumps
Surprised if that's not what it's based on
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It’s based fairly accurately on the murdochs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
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It's almost impressive that such a charlatan as Trump has been able to so consistently lie and blunder his way through a presidency by simply making stuff up and dismissing evidence against him as fake.
How have we got to a point where that can happen?
The political divide has got so vicious and entrenched in the US that I doubt that even 1% of Trump supporters care if he stole from the IRS. I bet they think It’s a sign of ingenuity on his part. Supporting Trump has become existential, he could do anything and it wouldn’t be as bad as the various bogeymen he’s created in the minds of the Trump voters.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Severe underfunding of public education; a culture of anti-intellectualism; enormous right wing media presence, especially on talk radio, which millions listen to; demonisation of anything progressive; political system bought by billionaires; the growth and power of the evangelical right, which is really an arm of the Republican party; growing economic distress which has made people susceptible to demagogues.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
So many factors feeding into the creation of someone like Trump.
That’s absolutely hilarious and rather terrifying at the same time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
What’s even worse is, for the life of me, I cannot understand what Trump has done to deserve such adulation / unquestionable following, it’s genuinely quite staggering.
I feel this is worth a look if you want a more balanced assessment of The Donald...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhDz8xMXU8s
(Does he perchance support The Rangers?)
If the tax returns exclusive in the NYT is “fake news” then all he has to do to prove it is to release them, surely?
Not an effin chance of that happening.
Or he could sue the NYT for libel, which would mean all the documents being released in court. Let's see if he litigates...Quote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
CantQuote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
In audit. (still)
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Even if they are under audit (which IRS won’t confirm either way) there’s nothing to stop him releasing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Yeah there isQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
You are forgetting SLEEPY JOE! and FAKE NEWS!!
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Anybody else watching the Presidential ‘debate’?Trump is being Trump and just disrupting proceedings but it’s working. Biden is struggling to land any sort of blow.
Didn't watch it but from what I've seen of Biden I remain baffled he's the best the Democrats could come up with after four years.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It was just a mess. I'm not sure what Biden can do really. He either let's Trump talk over him and shows he's weak or stands up to him and is accused of stooping to Trump's level.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I'm not sure what the point is in another 2 of these. The moderator needs to be much, much firmer and if necessary, cut the mic of someone if they refuse to follow the process.
The whole thing was a shocking indictment of what America has become under Trump.
He's a safe, middle of the road candidate. I'm not his biggest fan but he'll provide a bit of stability and experience in office after the last 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
I thought Trump actually played into Bidens hands a bit. All the chat has been that Biden would crack under the pressure of debate and show he was toiling cognitively. Trump constantly interrupting and cutting him off essentially stopped him saying anything that could have been used as a stick to beat him. The nasty dismissal of Bidens sons military service won't have gone down well with some of the floating voters either. Essentially saying I don't know who your dead son is and I don't care either isn't a good look.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
If it was a football match I'd call it a scrappy 1-0 for Biden thanks to a defensive error.
Lasted about 20 minutes. Whenever Biden was allowed time to put an answer together he did pretty well. Trump said absolutely nothing of substance.
1-0 Biden.
Trump's in a tricky position. Go to jail or conflagrate the US? :hmmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
He is a terrible candidate. He was very lucky last night. Trumps constant interruptions allowed him to gather his thoughts before he bumbled by saying something he shouldn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Still, another two nights like last night and he should be home free. He just has to avoid errors and last night he did it.
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Disagree. His inability to condemn white supremacist groups is playing to his supporters and says a lot about his tactics for the months ahead, I don’t know if he’s looking to mobilise them or what.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibernianJK
The man wants civil war if he loses. It’s horrific.
Richard Wolffe just pointing out his response to the question about the far right and the Proud boys. Not only did he ‘not condemn’ the far right, he explicitly said ‘they should stand down and stand by’. Really astonishing we’re at this place. The media hasn’t headlined it, maybe because it’s so impossible to engage with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
How big is this group? Where is their base?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Does he think they are his Sturmabteilung?
JB doesn’t need to do anything in the debates orher than have no catastrophic **** ups. Trump trails by 7%-ish and has done all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Whether that's a big lead depends on where the 7% lives, though, because of the ****ed up Electoral College system.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I don’t think any of them won, both men just confirmed. what their supporters already knew. Neither man did enough to win over a sizeable number of undecided voters. Trump will have upset some with his attack on Biden’s son and his refusal to condemn white supremacist groups but the American public have seen it all before, it no longer shocks. If that sort of behaviour hasn’t already alienated floating voters then it isn’t go to do so now.
True. But he’s ahead in almost all the battleground states as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I don’t think there are many floating voters out there. Trump has a solid base but anti-Trump is just as solid on the other side. He has had a -ve approval rating for all but the first 2 weeks of his presidency. That’s unprecedented.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I don’t think there are many undecideds left to fight over.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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I also don't think there are many undecided votes from a Trump/Biden perspective but there are a sizeable chunk of people who aren't voting at all or are going 3rd party, they are probably trying to make a play for them as it could make all the difference
Trump is going to win again.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
We clearly haven't suffered enough yet. Four more years of this lunatic plus Boris plus Brexit plus Corona.
I suspect he'll win too. Its astonishing the Democrat party couldnt come up with anything better for the last 2 elections.
Even if Biden wins somehow I'm convinced Trump has whipped his base not to accept it no matter what.
Civil unrest is gonna dominate the next few years.
I guess like all those groups, their base is the internet. 15,000-20,000 (Presumably heavily armed) members nationwide. That’s a tiny number of voters in the scale of things. He’s courting their approval because he wants them on the streets causing trouble, why else would it be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.n...itias.amp.html
I'm sure plenty would-be Democrat candidates just didn't fancy it this time round, given the state of the US and the world. Politicians, eh? And they'll yabber about how they want to change things, improve things.
I was really disappointed with Biden. Trump was just Trump - a repulsive lying bully. Biden didn’t command any sort of authority when he spoke, although I thought he did better when he addressed the viewers, which he did much better than Trump.
Shame on America that this is the best they have to offer, when you think out how many brilliant people they have in their population.
I'm in the middle of reading I Heard You Paint Houses, the book that inspired The Irishman.
In it, Frank Sheeran suggests that Biden's initial election in Delaware was aided/assured by the Mob.
Perhaps one for Trump to use later in the campaign?
Based on what evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
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I think Biden will win but I agree with the last 2 paragraphs. I genuinely believe Trump will leave a country that is almost ungovernable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Normally when a party loses it accepts the defeat and tries to renew and understand where it went wrong - see Keir Starmer. It also then breaks away from the losing candidate and forms a new agenda.
Trumpism doesn't allow for reflection, admitting errors, evaluation or anything other than Trump. He has captured the Republican party and a sizeable chunk of the electorate. He will want to run again in 2024 and he's crushed all before him in the party so will absolutely win the Republican nomination again.
He's set the stage for not accepting the result, which is a call for Republicans and his supporters to do everything they can against the Democrats agenda. And I don't mean legally. America is in for some very tough years ahead.
Full 'debate' here, if you can bear it. I've never seen anything like it; Trump was unhinged, often shouting and interrupting; he even refused to condemn white supremacist groups, nor say he will accept the election result. Biden tried to keep his cool, but he couldn't get a word in at times. I thought Chris Wallace (Fox News) failed to keep Trump under control. What a mess.
https://youtu.be/yHFI8TsSKXY
The constitution only allows for 2 terms doesnt it?Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
The Two term limit is an amendment to the constitution and the President can ask the Senate to repeal it. Reagan wanted to. Trumps already said he wants to run for 14 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Another reason why the key senate elections are worth watching in November. Over and above the judiciary thing.
Hence the rush to appoint another SCOTUS judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
The issue is that in these modern times it doesn't require to be a big group. Whether it's through IT based terrorism (e.g. DDos attacks, hacking), 'lone wolves' (e.g. the guy who drove a car into a group of protesters in the States a few years back) or more, this is a potentially horrendous thing for Trump to stoke up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
He's a huge threat to the security of the United States.
I always watch the exchange odds to try and gauge who 'won' these exchanges, and Biden's odds have shortened in to around 3/5 from 4/5 a few weeks ago, so I guess the markets think he's doing ok. Still wouldn't be surprised to see Trump winning come November though.
I think I was a bit unclear in my earlier post. As others have mentioned, if Trump wins he's in theory restricted to 8 years but as others have pointed out, that can be changedQuote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
My point was actually if Trump loses. Normally a candidate will shuffle off, build their library, occasionally dip into politics and the party will rebuild and renew.
Trump isn't going anywhere if he loses. This is where his autocratic tendencies come in. He can run again in 2024. Does anyone think he'll walk away quietly? He's already said he won't concede.
There will be legal challenges, talk of a stolen election, and the Republicans are all abroad the Trump train. What are they going to do in this situation? He's built up a strong base of support, all politicians are behind him and he will not let the Republicans go. He's going to maintain control of the party as he's not allowed anyone else to have the spotlight - there is no other power in the party any more.
I think my point is even if he loses he and his supporters will be fomenting chaos and division for years to come.
He's already dropped it in to interviews, I couldn't find the original clip but there was mention and a clip of it on Frankie Boyles show a couple of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
He has built up a base of support that isn't just rabid in their support, but armed to the ****ing teeth too. He has a militia of civilians who have already been seen on the streets of American cities.
Add to that he has already curated the idea that if he doesn't win it will be because of the corrupt postal ballot system, something that a lot of states will be using this year because of corona, and he has provided the means for his supporters to justify violence.
I think Trump is going to win again, but either way this will be very very ugly.
Trump will lose the popular vote, probably by more than the three million votes Clinton beat him by. His path to victory once again is the electoral college: a combined 80,000 vote victory in three swing states got him over the line in 2016. He has to hold them to win. He is already calling the election a fraud, before polling day. If it's close, things could get very ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by McS****y
The number of major Democratic candidates for the nomination was the highest from any party in nearly fifty years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker