Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by Newry Hibs

Just trying to catch up a bit ....

Can someone do a quick summary as to why FIFA / UEFA may act as per Sion? Weren't they (Sion) in the wrong? (I know RFC aren't particularly looking good), but RFC have gone to court who have said an action against them was wrong. As much as I don't like them, surely they have 'the law' on their side, so I don't really get why FIFA / UEFA would object. What if the sanction was totally unreasonable (e.g. play all their matches on one leg) wouldn't they be right to go to court?

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Basically, from what I understand, its irrelevant whether Rangers are right or not, no team is allowed under FIFA rules to take their Association to "Ordinary Court".

Heres the rule

http://i46.tinypic.com/6sct20.jpg

I was surprised by today's news as I felt that the presence of Lord Carloway on the SFA panel was meant to ensure that the proceedings would be conducted in a way that would ensure that this kind of legal challenge would be dismissed. I expect the next step to be an SFA appeal against today's court verdict.

It seems that the court did not reject the SFA's right to punish Rangers, just the particular sanction chosen. A one year suspension would have been legal. That would also now scupper the cva without Hector having to lift a finger as Green's offer is conditional on Rangers being in the usual competitions.

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Originally Posted by strummbo

bh... i dont think folk would stop goin, i will keep going as will others

could't not support my team because of the opposition. that would be crazy

tis a crossroads though yer right there

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Going to ER will always be an option. Going anywhere else, won't be an option. Ibrox and Rugby park are already out for me and I'm sure more will follow as we find out who votes for a rangers newco.

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Originally Posted by GordonHFC

I always worried that the sanction was a made up one because the panel thought that a fine was not enough and a suspension was too much. I think the currants may have shot themselves in the foot here as the only course I can see the panel taking is now suspension. If there is nothing available in the middle then suspension it has to be ?

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Easiest solution is for SFA to tell Rangers to withdraw their appeal. If they fail to do so expulsion will follow as it is only option open to SFA with Fifa on their case. Green will withdraw his pathetic offer and liquidation will follow. I do think Rangers have shot themselves in the foot with this.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Basically, from what I understand, its irrelevant whether Rangers are right or not, no team is allowed under FIFA rules to take their Association to "Ordinary Court".

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OK. Thanks. Look forward to some FIFA action. How funny will it be that basically RFC kill themselves, though as ever I think bugger all will happen to them.

Interesting...

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Prior to the court's decision, the world governing body Fifa said: "Fifa will ask the member association (SFA) to take action so that the club withdraws its request from the ordinary courts.
"Fifa will closely monitor the situation so that the issue is resolved as fast as possible."

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Interesting...

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Looks to me like FIFA is giving the SFA a last chance to man up and slap Rangers with a suitable punishment or FIFA will have to step and hit everyone with a punishment.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Looks to me like FIFA is giving the SFA a last chance to man up and slap Rangers with a suitable punishment or FIFA will have to step and hit everyone with a punishment.

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How about:

Banning Celtic, Motherwell, Hearts, Dundee United, and St Johnstone from Europe next season.

Banning Scotland from the World Cup Qualifiers.

That should do for starters.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Looks to me like FIFA is giving the SFA a last chance to man up and slap Rangers with a suitable punishment or FIFA will have to step and hit everyone with a punishment.

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FIFA/UEFA are rife for being taken to almost every court in every land because of the way football is set up and conducts its business. They (FIFA) cant allow it to happen or the whole system will crumble and, as has already been seen in Switzerland, they dont usually mess about.

As others have said this may well be the get out the SFA have been looking/waiting for.

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Originally Posted by GordonHFC

I always worried that the sanction was a made up one because the panel thought that a fine was not enough and a suspension was too much. I think the currants may have shot themselves in the foot here as the only course I can see the panel taking is now suspension. If there is nothing available in the middle then suspension it has to be ?

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Kicking them out of the Scottish Cup is the only sanction left. Big deal. Suspension or expulsion won't even be a consideration for Donkeyhead and the other Hun sympathisers.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Kicking them out of the Scottish Cup is the only sanction left. Big deal. Suspension or expulsion won't even be a consideration for Donkeyhead and the other Hun sympathisers.

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Surely EUFA/FIFA wouldn't let them get away with that? :confused:

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Originally Posted by jgl07

How about:

Banning Celtic, Motherwell, Hearts, Dundee United, and St Johnstone from Europe next season.

Banning Scotland from the World Cup Qualifiers.

That should do for starters.

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This is what the Swiss FA where threatened with, they (uefa) must step in soon and sort out this sorry mess. :agree:

Time to wrap it up me thinks .... :wink:

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Originally Posted by HibbyRod

Surely EUFA/FIFA wouldn't let them get away with that? :confused:

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Nope, the key with Scion was that FIFA insisted that they had to be punished in a way that was appropriate to their crime. If the SFA are 'forced' to go soft because of a civil court action, FIFA will demand more or kick the whole of Scottish football out into the wilderness...

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Wrong. I feel strongly enough that it's not about supporting this team or that, it's about paying good money into a morally bankrupt, corrupt game where all chips are stacked against non OF teams. Hibs strategy of living within our means has brought us tediously dull teams and gains us no benefit whatsoever in the short or long term.

My overriding feeling is 'what is the point?'. I am a season ticket holder but if Rangers aren't dealt with in a fashion I consider suitable I will walk away and take the hit this year. Scottish football would be pointless.

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And there are thousands who think exactly the same way :agree: Paying good money to watch a corrupt sport is just plain daft.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Nope, the key with Scion was that FIFA insisted that they had to be punished in a way that was appropriate to their crime. If the SFA are 'forced' to go soft because of a civil court action, FIFA will demand more or kick the whole of Scottish football out into the wilderness...

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They won't have to kick us very far then.

Just heard on the radio, but no link yet.....

"BBC Scotland understands" that there is increased "animosity towards Rangers" because of the Court action.

Encouraging :agree:

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Just heard on the radio, but no link yet.....

"BBC Scotland understands" that there is increased "animosity towards Rangers" because of the Court action.

Encouraging :agree:

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From?? Getting excited here lol.

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Originally Posted by green glory

From?? Getting excited here lol.

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Other clubs, apparently.....

How humiliating is it though, that our own FA has been asked to take a proper decision and manage the situation by the international body?

If this now goes from the SFA back to FIFA, surely Doncaster has to lose his job? He's clearly well out of his depth that he can't make the decisions that are blindingly obvious to anyone looking on.

That's before we even get to the blatant collusion by some sections of the media.

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Originally Posted by Newry Hibs

Just trying to catch up a bit ....

Can someone do a quick summary as to why FIFA / UEFA may act as per Sion? Weren't they (Sion) in the wrong? (I know RFC aren't particularly looking good), but RFC have gone to court who have said an action against them was wrong. As much as I don't like them, surely they have 'the law' on their side, so I don't really get why FIFA / UEFA would object. What if the sanction was totally unreasonable (e.g. play all their matches on one leg) wouldn't they be right to go to court?

Also, hasn't Green via the CVA made his offer now? Is it retractable? What if Ticketus and HMRC said yes tomorrow?

Lastly, is Green's offer a loan? Isn't that a bit dodgy in itself? I thought he had 20 or so multi millionaires to pump money in. Surely they would get their investment back and then some.

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If clubs were to resort to the courts to resolve issues arising in the game, there would be complete carnage, in fact there would be no game - just a series of court cases - esp given the amount of money at stake in the English Leagues and Europe.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Other clubs, apparently.....

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Even the Queen's probably getting pissed off with them by now lol.

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Originally Posted by Newry Hibs

Just trying to catch up a bit ....

Can someone do a quick summary as to why FIFA / UEFA may act as per Sion? Weren't they (Sion) in the wrong? (I know RFC aren't particularly looking good), but RFC have gone to court who have said an action against them was wrong. As much as I don't like them, surely they have 'the law' on their side, so I don't really get why FIFA / UEFA would object. What if the sanction was totally unreasonable (e.g. play all their matches on one leg) wouldn't they be right to go to court?

Also, hasn't Green via the CVA made his offer now? Is it retractable? What if Ticketus and HMRC said yes tomorrow?

Lastly, is Green's offer a loan? Isn't that a bit dodgy in itself? I thought he had 20 or so multi millionaires to pump money in. Surely they would get their investment back and then some.

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This might clear a few things up for u

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/rangers-cva-at-a-glance/

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Originally Posted by steakbake

How humiliating is it though, that our own FA has been asked to take a proper decision and manage the situation by the international body?

If this now goes from the SFA back to FIFA, surely Doncaster has to lose his job? He's clearly well out of his depth that he can't make the decisions that are blindingly obvious to anyone looking on.

That's before we even get to the blatant collusion by some sections of the media.

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Doncaster works for the SPL. Regan is in charge at the SFA.

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Originally Posted by Newry Hibs

As much as I don't like them, surely they have 'the law' on their side, so I don't really get why FIFA / UEFA would object. What if the sanction was totally unreasonable (e.g. play all their matches on one leg) wouldn't they be right to go to court?

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Would only be outrageous if they made Rangers play with eleven left-footers.

Quite liking your suggested punishment, though that dive that people do now for penalties - where the attacker leaves his trailing foot against the defender and simultaneously brown-trouts himself forward - would become tricky.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

How humiliating is it though, that our own FA has been asked to take a proper decision and manage the situation by the international body?

If this now goes from the SFA back to FIFA, surely Doncaster has to lose his job? He's clearly well out of his depth that he can't make the decisions that are blindingly obvious to anyone looking on.

That's before we even get to the blatant collusion by some sections of the media.

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The irony is that it went to court because the Huns thought the punishment was too HARSH :greengrin

I always thought FIFA/UEFA would step in when it was clear that the SFA/SPL were just forgiving all RFC's transgressions. In saying that, it wasn't exactly the SFA who imposed the penalty.

So, when can we expect Ally and the crazy minority to demand to know the names of the faceless FIFA officials who are calling for proper punishment :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Beefster

Doncaster works for the SPL. Regan is in charge at the SFA.

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Doncaster is central to the mishandling of the situation. Isn't the management of the country's premier league answerable to the SFA because of the way the situation has been pursued? Business interests over sporting integrity? Or does it not work like that? Genuine question.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Nope, the key with Scion was that FIFA insisted that they had to be punished in a way that was appropriate to their crime. If the SFA are 'forced' to go soft because of a civil court action, FIFA will demand more or kick the whole of Scottish football out into the wilderness...

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We have already been there for a few years now! :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Kicking them out of the Scottish Cup is the only sanction left. Big deal. Suspension or expulsion won't even be a consideration for Donkeyhead and the other Hun sympathisers.

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I agree, they will get kicked out the Scottish Cup. Big deal. I want FIFA to step in and sort this mess out as the SFA and the SPL have had months now and achieved nothing.

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Originally Posted by Beefster

Doncaster works for the SPL. Regan is in charge at the SFA.

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But Doncaster must bear the prime responsibility for letting the situation get to the stage it is. The SFA are in the firing line as a result.

Doncaster must go but Regan can stay as far as I am concerned.

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Originally Posted by steakbake

Doncaster is central to the mishandling of the situation. Isn't the management of the country's premier league answerable to the SFA because of the way the situation has been pursued? Business interests over sporting integrity? Or does it not work like that? Genuine question.

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Originally Posted by jgl07

But Doncaster must bear the prime responsibility for letting the situation get to the stage it is. The SFA are in the firing line as a result.

Doncaster must go but Regan can stay as far as I am concerned.

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I'm not disputing that Doncaster is a useless git. You can't blame him for the SFA messing up/being useless though - the SFA are just as responsible as the SPL.