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12-05-2025, 10:06 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Likewise.

He was really poor when he left us with the general consensus being he needed dropped.

Since then he’s went to Watford and been bombed out then been loaned to PNE where he couldn’t get a game whilst massively letting his country down by doing the same sort of crap he done over and over whilst here.

I’ve absolutely no confidence we’d be getting a better player back than the one that left as he doesn’t appear to be able to/want to learn from his mistakes.

That wasn’t the general consensus. When Porteous left us our defence got considerably worse. We missed him badly.
This would be a cracking signing for Hibs.

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12-05-2025, 10:12 PM
Ozyhibby

Last two full seasons Porteous played we lost 42 and 34 goals.
The next season he played until Jan and we lost 59 goals and then 59 goals again the season afterwards.

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12-05-2025, 10:18 PM
Centre Hawf

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Originally Posted by chasitup

I’d rather have Miller if it was a choice of the two.

As good as Miller has been for us this last 6 months that’s all it’s really been. Similar can be said of Rocky. Porteous was as good as they two have been recently for multiple seasons at a younger age.
12-05-2025, 10:29 PM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Last two full seasons Porteous played we lost 42 and 34 goals.
The next season he played until Jan and we lost 59 goals and then 59 goals again the season afterwards.

Goals conceded p90 while Porteous was on the pitch - 1.17

Goals conceded p90 since Porteous left - 1.40
12-05-2025, 10:34 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Goals conceded p90 while Porteous was on the pitch - 1.17

Goals conceded p90 since Porteous left - 1.40

Chuck in a goal up the other end every ten games or so.[emoji106]

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12-05-2025, 10:41 PM
Prof. Shaggy

Funnily enough, I had the impression that our goals against improved dramatically the day he left.
12-05-2025, 10:49 PM
HFC93

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.
13-05-2025, 02:03 AM
SickBoy32

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Originally Posted by HFC93

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.

Absolutely baffling eh. It’s like some folk go to ER with their eyes shut.

Either that or they’re a wee bit susceptible to the musings of the (bias) media.

Reading on here that he’s a downgrade on Bushiri FFS 😂
13-05-2025, 04:38 AM
truehibernian

Can’t remember Ryan ever playing part of a back 3 in a 3-5-2 - might slot in much better than when he was in a pairing. Have to admit though, it’s a no from me I’m afraid. Too often played the occasion and not the game, particularly big games v Hearts and The Rangers, and there’s absolutely no doubt referees and media targeted him negatively. Whole hearted without doubt, good on the ball, but he’s never rid himself of the ill discipline which I think is innate in him and no amount of coaching will cure. Always wish him the very best but would rather we focus on other targets.
13-05-2025, 05:59 AM
Unseen work

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Originally Posted by HFC93

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.

I agree he’d be a really good signing and would want to see him back.

However, I remember when he was here last time I was at the stage where I thought I just wanted him to leave already. There was far too much going on around him it felt like and a bit of a media circus every time we played rangers.

He was making mistakes by chasing after the ball and leaving huge gaps at the back, acting a bit too cocky and it just felt like, imo, he thought he was too good to be here. I think VAR being in play could actually be a good thing for him as he would know he can’t take the slightest risk as they’d be desperate to send him off

Will Fish replaced him in the centre of defence and was absolutely brilliant. No nothing fancy, no drama and just kept things simple. I think alot of fans liked that compared to Porto.

Rocky has now done unbelievable this season, maybe some are thinking we can get better centre halves without the added baggage. Jason Kerr for example? Not saying he’s better but he’s probably a more consistent and less flash centre back.

If Porto was to come back I really hope he’d listen to SDG and stick to basics, he’s shown he can do it for Scotland.
13-05-2025, 06:02 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Can’t remember Ryan ever playing part of a back 3 in a 3-5-2 - might slot in much better than when he was in a pairing. Have to admit though, it’s a no from me I’m afraid. Too often played the occasion and not the game, particularly big games v Hearts and The Rangers, and there’s absolutely no doubt referees and media targeted him negatively. Whole hearted without doubt, good on the ball, but he’s never rid himself of the ill discipline which I think is innate in him and no amount of coaching will cure. Always wish him the very best but would rather we focus on other targets.

Not always in a 3-5-2 but he played in a back 3 numerous times under Ross, Maloney and Johnson.
13-05-2025, 06:08 AM
Gmack7

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Not always in a 3-5-2 but he played in a back 3 numerous times under Ross, Maloney and Johnson.

And for Scotland
13-05-2025, 06:16 AM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Porteous would arrive as an upgrade on Miller at RCB regardless of whether SDG makes any improvements to his game.

If Rocky was leaving we could have both. Porto is an excellent player and playing in a back three should suit as good on the ball and can bring ball out
13-05-2025, 06:18 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

I agree he’d be a really good signing and would want to see him back.

However, I remember when he was here last time I was at the stage where I thought I just wanted him to leave already. There was far too much going on around him it felt like and a bit of a media circus every time we played rangers.

He was making mistakes by chasing after the ball and leaving huge gaps at the back, acting a bit too cocky and it just felt like, imo, he thought he was too good to be here. I think VAR being in play could actually be a good thing for him as he would know he can’t take the slightest risk as they’d be desperate to send him off

Will Fish replaced him in the centre of defence and was absolutely brilliant. No nothing fancy, no drama and just kept things simple. I think alot of fans liked that compared to Porto.

Rocky has now done unbelievable this season, maybe some are thinking we can get better centre halves without the added baggage. Jason Kerr for example? Not saying he’s better but he’s probably a more consistent and less flash centre back.

If Porto was to come back I really hope he’d listen to SDG and stick to basics, he’s shown he can do it for Scotland.

In 2022/23, Hanlon and Porteous conceded just 1.11 goals per 90 when played as a pair.

When Rocky played we conceded 2.12 goals per 90.

When Porteous left and Rocky was injured, Hanlon and Fish conceded 1.38 goals per 90.

Porteous wasn’t the issue - LJ and his decision to bring Rocky into a defensive unit which was working was.
13-05-2025, 06:19 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by HFC93

Crazy amount of disrespect shown towards Porteous by some posters on this thread. He'd be a really good signing for us.

I don't think it's disrespectful to not want a player back. Porteous leaving was good for him and good for us. I can't be bothered with the media, refs and opposition fans side show that came with Porteous. For me that ship has very much sailed.

If he came back I'd back him but I hope he's matured both on and off the park.
13-05-2025, 06:22 AM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Lacks discipline and has frankly been bang average for quite a while now.

Big downgrade on Rocky if true.

He really isn’t played regularly in the Championship last season which is old firm aside a higher standard than our league
13-05-2025, 06:49 AM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Last two full seasons Porteous played we lost 42 and 34 goals.
The next season he played until Jan and we lost 59 goals and then 59 goals again the season afterwards.

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Damn you with all your facts, I do laugh at the mental gymnastics folk go through trying to diss someone like Porteous and indeed McInness who in general perform much better over the piece than anything we normally do, but they are not good enough for us because they just dont like them. :faf:
13-05-2025, 07:04 AM
Unseen work

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

In 2022/23, Hanlon and Porteous conceded just 1.11 goals per 90 when played as a pair.

When Rocky played we conceded 2.12 goals per 90.

When Porteous left and Rocky was injured, Hanlon and Fish conceded 1.38 goals per 90.

Porteous wasn’t the issue - LJ and his decision to bring Rocky into a defensive unit which was working was.

Rocky has undoubtedly improved massively.

But that doesn’t take away from Porteous’ mistakes or short comings.
13-05-2025, 07:07 AM
Paulie Walnuts

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

That wasn’t the general consensus. When Porteous left us our defence got considerably worse. We missed him badly.
This would be a cracking signing for Hibs.

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https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?358355-Ryan-Porteous

From the summer prior to him leaving

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?359862-Porteous&p=7161605#post7161605

From the November prior to him leaving

The general consensus was absolutely that he needed dropped. He was in a sustained period of awful form.
13-05-2025, 07:10 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

Rocky has undoubtedly improved massively.

But that doesn’t take away from Porteous’ mistakes or short comings.

Every defender we have had has made mistakes. The purpose of defending is to concede as few goals as possible, our best seasons doing that in recent years have included Porteous in defence.
13-05-2025, 07:12 AM
Paulie Walnuts

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I don’t agree the general consensus when he left was that he needed dropped.

I think he was excellent when he was with us before and I suspect we would be getting a better version of him back as he’s a bit more experienced and a bit more mature now. A spell out the Scottish media limelight would have done him the world of good too.

I’ll be delighted if he comes back.

The two links I’ve provided above suggest otherwise. He was absolutely brutal when he left and it was most definitely generally accepted that was the case.

Why do we think he’s matured? It’s only a year since he let his country down with a frankly ludicrous tackle in the first game of a major tournament and fans of his parent club describe him as the exact same immature player that left us. There doesn’t appear to be anything to suggest he’s matured at all.
13-05-2025, 07:13 AM
Paulie Walnuts

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Every defender we have had has made mistakes. The purpose of defending is to concede as few goals as possible, our best seasons doing that in recent years have included Porteous in defence.

Our best season also included Paul McGinn and Paul Hanlon, it doesn’t mean we should be bringing them back.
13-05-2025, 07:17 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Our best season also included Paul McGinn and Paul Hanlon, it doesn’t mean we should be bringing them back.

If either player were still in their mid-late 20s I’d have no problem having either player in our team. Would you?
13-05-2025, 07:17 AM
Unseen work

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Every defender we have had has made mistakes. The purpose of defending is to concede as few goals as possible, our best seasons doing that in recent years have included Porteous in defence.

I feel like you’re trying to argue against a point that I’m not making?

I don’t know where you’ve got your stats from and not doubting them, but what’s the stats since Rocky/Iredale came into the squad this season?

And what was the stats from the Covid season when we finished 3rd?
13-05-2025, 07:22 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

I feel like you’re trying to argue against a point that I’m not making?

I don’t know where you’ve got your stats from and not doubting them, but what’s the stats since Rocky/Iredale came into the squad this season?

And what was the stats from the Covid season when we finished 3rd?

Jack Iredale this season is 1.22 per 90
Rocky this season is 1.19 per 90

Ryan Porteous over his whole time at Hibs was 1.17 per 90
Ryan Porteous during 20/21 specifically was 1.01 per 90
13-05-2025, 07:31 AM
Bostonhibby

I'd have Porteous back in a second, quality defender, my issue would be where does he play/who does he replace in a very settled side, unless one of our first pick defenders is leaving. Rocky and Miller are showing significant improvement which hopefully continues.

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13-05-2025, 07:32 AM
Paulie Walnuts

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

If either player were still in their mid-late 20s I’d have no problem having either player in our team. Would you?

It would depend what version of them we were getting. If it was a version that was getting bombed out of national team, parent club and loan club and they appeared to have the same major flaws they had when they left us (which I’d have dropped him for at the time) then I wouldn’t be in a hurry to take them either.
13-05-2025, 07:33 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

I'd have Porteous back in a second, quality defender, my issue would be where does ge play/who does he replace in a very settled side, unless one if our first pick defenders is leaving. Rocky and Miller are showing significant improvement which hopefully continues.

Rocky is running down his contract and at present will leave for nothing in the summer.
13-05-2025, 07:35 AM
BILLYHIBS

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13-05-2025, 07:35 AM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Rocky is running down his contract and at present will leave for nothing in the summer.

[emoji106] know that, just looking at the here and now. Given the choice I'd keep Rocky. A settled Porteous, could well be at least as good.

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