The whole tactic is to provoke reactions like this to guarantee maximum media coverage. Job well done as far as she's concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
The whole tactic is to provoke reactions like this to guarantee maximum media coverage. Job well done as far as she's concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Would you grab a woman like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
No, which is why demonstrators tend to put women into these situations. If you're a believer in sexual equality then the level of outrage should not be influenced by the gender of the demonstrator being personhandled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Would he have stopped a bloke like that though? I don’t think so. This was a man exerting his dominance over a woman physically and it was disgusting. People saying she deserved it because she was protesting are excusing the govt violently suppressing peaceful protest. We have to have higher standards than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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It's difficult to say. I remember once breaking up a fight (more of an attack) and probably ended up using just as much force, though in saying that the girl was going mental so it's not really comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Maybe he was excessive, but did he injure or even hurt her?
He was violent enough that he could have hurt her. It was assault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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Indeed. She clearly knew what she was doing and whoever filmed it was in prime position to capture any hoped-for reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
He was a bit too heavy-handed by the looks of it, but the faux outrage from opposition politicians is hard to take seriously.
He was rather heavy handed. I think the red mist descended. He could quite easily have stood up and put his arms outstretched to stop her moving past him. If she'd then tried to pass, he may have escalated it. It's a difficult situation to find yourself in, but I think he'll be getting his collar felt. If someone can get arrested for milk shaking, Farage, then the met police have a decision to make.
I noticed someone sitting at the meal filming it on their phone. Anyone protesting these days will always film the action as evidence of what's occurring.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
If this has been John Swinney stopping an anti Independence protester going for Nicola Sturgeon would you be saying it was assualt and therefore advocating he be charged and likely lose his job? Just checking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As an aside, whoever was arranging security for the meeting will be in trouble. It could have been someone with more malevolent intent than Greenpeace that walked in.
It would have been a 20 second slot on the news about the mansion house speech by the chancellor being interrupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
The tory minister has given, Greenpeace, national airtime they'll be delighted with.
Regardless to anyone's politics, he was bang out of line. He's already admitted himself that he was wrong, apologised and submitted himself for investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
He was overly physical beyond reasonable means. In today's security climate, she shouldn't have been there and could well have gotten to where she did with a knife, gun, acid, device etc...I understand that. But he had no right whatsoever handling her the way he did.
Are you on the correct thread? Just checking. 👍.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Yeap. A fantastic example of direct action paying off. Well done to the protestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/sta...007910912?s=09
To be fair the paper she was carrying mightve contained some really harsh words. The sash with "climate." written on it was obviously severe provocation
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Absolutely. 100%. I’m against using violence to stop any kind of protest. And I’m very much against using violence against women. I would want Swinney charged and sacked. Clear enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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Very clear, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Maybe the Mansion House should employ more efficient people on the doors to check tickets etc. How did these ladies get in en masse?
James, what’s your thoughts on Boris looking a shoe in to get into power and making a no deal more likely? Out of interest what kind of an impact do you think Brexit will have on Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Yes that was kind of the point I was making - that the protestors made sure she was being filmed in the hope that she sparked the sort of reaction they could then exploit for maximum exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
As an aside, while there is a useful purpose to be served by mobile cameras in certain situations the default mentality of many folk to film anything and everything can be extraordinary and often disturbing. I know a guy who worked as an air steward who stepped in to deliver CPR on the tarmac after a passenger had what proved to be a fatal heart attack when disembarking. At one point he glanced up to discover he was surrounded by other passengers filming his efforts rather than expressing any sort of concern for their fellow passenger.
Where do you draw the line? What about a female suicide bomber or an armed female terrorist 'protesting' against the West's policies in the Middle East? Surely violence is justified there to stop the protest (if anyone was brave enough to take such a person on).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If what you actually mean is peaceful protests then what constitutes peaceful? Climate change protesters bringing city centres to a standstill by stopping traffic? Is that peaceful when it's potentially dangerous? Was the woman in this particular incident acting peacefully in rushing towards the stage at an event she'd gatecrashed?
It's awful, a no deal Brexit would be a disaster for all of the UK. I don't think he will get a no deal through Parliament though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Of course I meant peaceful. Yes this woman was a peaceful protester armed only with some leaflets on climate change. And yes stopping traffic is peaceful protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Where do you draw the line on the states violence in suppressing protest? Is it ok to grab a woman by the throat? What about water canons? Tanks Tiananmen Square style? What degree of state violence against peaceful protest is ok for you?
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Agreed. What trade deals do you think we will have post Brexit, with who, and on what terms? What will happen with the Irish border?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Do you think Scotland will be better off or worse off post Brexit than we currently are? Do you have confidence in Boris as PM to deliver for Scotland?
Unless I'm missing something, has the EU not been clear that renegotiation of 'the deal' is not happening. In which case all Johnson/Hunt can do in Westminster is put the existing withdrawal agreement back to parliament?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
The only thing that could change is the wording of the political declaration about the future relationship between the EU and the UK.
Mark Field suspended, police investigations into a small number of reports of an assault in the mansion House.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48718725
Welsh tory mp removed by constituency.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48720176
If Tories can’t hold that then we are heading for GE. I think we are anyway because we are stuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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