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unbelievably, people will see what he's saying now and believe it, anyone spouting anything else will be classed as 'fake news', Trump's an expert at it, and unbelievably it seems to continually workQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
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Michael Reinhoel who was wanted for the shooting in Portland has been killed by law enforcement while attempting his arrest.
Trump on Michael Reinhoel 12 hours ago "Why aren't the Portland police ARRESTING the cold-blooded killer of Aaron 'Jay' Danielson. Do your job and do it fast. Everybody knows who this thug is. No wonder Portland is going to hell!"Quote:
Originally Posted by -Jonesy-
A quite different tone to his views on Kyle Rittenhouse
2 hours later he was dead, he gave an interview to vice jus hours before his attempted arrest as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
I can’t speculate to his failed arrest/possible execution as it appears he was involved in an armed standoff but One of the most striking differences between him and Rittenhouse is that no one on the left was hailing him as a hero for killing someone on the street in Portland
I must have watched this a dozen times, but I still can't believe it :greengrin.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
America's military budget is USD700 billion, but 'anarchists' with bags of soup could destroy the country. It's like a sketch from The Day Today, the Chris Morris programme.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...mpression=true
An attack on the military and the press all at once.
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
While I don’t doubt Trump in all probability did say those things, it fits perfectly with his vernacular, it simply can’t be proven that he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
From what I’ve read it’s reported he did by three people that, on the face of it, would seem reasonably reliable witnesses but he’s not on record uttering those statements.
He did call McCain a loser though but I think he’s now trying to claim that he called him a loser because he lost rather than a loser per se. Or maybe he’s just flat out denying what really can’t be denied just because he can and that’s what he does!
Some people would believe anything if its in the media... everyone round him has said it never happened. ...i really can't see trump saying anything like that considering the amount of praise and support he gives law enforcement and military.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
Fwiw he right about the soup cans along with cans of juice and tins of food.... they have also been freezing bottled water and throwing them..... the bricks are too heavy to get a decent throw but cans arent and if they get searched it's food for the house.
There's another article on the mail saying a trump supporter mowed down a group of blm protesters.. then in the main story calls it an unidentified vehicle..... so if its unidentified then how the bloody hell do they know the drivers a trump supporter
Fox News now confirming that the story is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
https://twitter.com/jengriffinfnc/st...495973889?s=21
Fake news?
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And why would 'everyone around him' lie? That really is a mystery. And politicians saying one thing publicly and another privately. Unheard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
I always wondered if you were at the wind up and now it's been confirmed. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
One word: OsteophyteQuote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
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Because he's a Trump supporter driving an unidentified vehicle. The driver has been identified as a Trump supporter, the vehicle make, model, whatever, hasn't been ascertained.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
How is it possible to identify the driver's political persuasion, yet not be able to give a description of the vehicle? If a car is about to plow into you, surely the first piece of information you'd give law enforcement would be the make, model and color of the car?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1875godsgift
When you have a president who is a hateful anti-BLM racist, and a driver who is a violent hateful anti BLM racist, it’s doesn’t take Columbo to work that one out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Frankly, even in the remote possibility he isn’t, why would you challenge it..it’s hardly the real root issue
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https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/s...475549184?s=21
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You keep defending, or trying to defend, the indefensible. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Actually, I know the answer. It's because there's nothing defensible to defend.
FYI - NBC quotes police sources as saying the driver was 'was found to be a part of the Keep America Great rally' and that the group had 'exchanged heated words' with the BLM supporters.
State of this😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
“Some people would believe anything”😂😂
Maybe he was wearing a MAGA hat? [emoji2957]Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Some beauties on here. I wonder how many members are actually the same person. .. trump and his closest people are vehemently denying this yet hibs.net posters have it all sussed. What's the point in a justice system ...they should just log on here and speak to you lot. Absolute jokers
Better an absolute joker than an absolute jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
I take your point, but of course Trump and his closest people would deny it. That's why we have to look to other sources, who appear to be confirming it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
State of this an aw😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
“Trump and his closest people..” weren’t most of Trumps former closest people all convicted for perjury and obstruction of justice😂🤡
State of you🤡Quote:
Originally Posted by -Jonesy-
is it not a bit coincidental that all this comes out right before an election ?
Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. We'll probably never know for sure. But Trump and his spokespeople, advisors etc denying it is surely not enough for you to dismiss as false? Given everything he's said about John McCain it would fit pretty well with Trumps world view.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
:faf: It's been coming out since before he was elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
The claims about Trump calling the war dead 'losers' would have more weight if they weren't anonymous.
I'm in no way saying that he didn't say it, but I'm not sure I feel comfortable taking something as serious as this at face value, with no evidence and no one willing to come out publicly and say they heard him say it.
There's enough stupid things that he definitely did say that we can judge him on already.
That's easy, because he lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/politics/fact-check-trump-mccain-loser-veterans-choice/index.html
Of course it's not. Those that first provided the story want to damage Trump and have waited for what they consider to be the best moment to do that. That doesn't apply to those who have since confirmed it to be true though.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
Good post ... and you are right he opens his gob and says the daftest things but i seriously doubt he said that about the war heroes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Eh? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
It doesn’t though. This sort of stuff has been coming out constantly for the last 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
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When multiple different news agencies with competing agendas are all verifying it with 4 different sources then you can say with a fair degree of confidence that it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Explain the logic behind this sentenceQuote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
:agree: The McCain being captured chat started in 2015.Quote:
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
The only reports I've seen so far have been attributed to 'anonymous' sources.
If they've been reported differently anywhere, I must have missed it but would be happy to be provided with a source, or the names of the people (not a dig at anyone, i promise :-) )
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As I've already written, while these sources remain anonymous or no evidence is provided to prove it, I'm going to go with the 'innocent until proven guilty' approach.
This is all too similar to the 'Jeremy Corbyn Is An Anti-Semite' stuff we've witnessed in the media for months, and I found that very disturbing.
The Guardian, for instance, seem to have an editorial policy of including the phrase 'anti-semitism' in every single article that mentions Corbyn's name and were determined to smear him at every opportunity.
And just for removal of any doubt, I have no fondness whatsoever for Trump or Corbyn.
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Originally Posted by Keith_M
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54034707
I know it's the BBC, but it's reported that Fox and PA have corroborated the story from various sources.
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Cheers, I'll have a read at that
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/rnc-night-four-fact-check/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
A wee bit of fact check goes a long way.
https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/...904202756?s=21
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/politics/trump-france-memorial-cemetery-visit-fact-check/index.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yep, full fact check.
Being anti racist is apparently anti American.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1599295117
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/04/politics/trump-administration-memo-race-training-ban/index.html
Yep
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
First off, they made a damn good effort to annihilate the Native American population.
They then claimed to be a country open to everyone looking for a new life... until the Irish, Jews or anyone else that didn't meet the criteria arrived on their shores.
Then large swathes of the country tried to ensure that public transportation, workplaces, restaurants, sports clubs... even the military... kept the inferior Black people well away from the obviously superior Whites.
They've since built up amazing scare stories about Mexicans and others of a Hispanic background, and have recently added Muslims as the 'bogey man'
Let's face it, extreme prejudice is what made America great!
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/...mpression=true
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You're constant agreeing with and defence of Trump is noted. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...dd8c729967.jpg
Even though they are still trying to claim he never said it they are at the same time making excuses for why he did say it.[emoji23]
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
You've caught me, I'm a 100% Trumpian
:greengrin
So in defending something that they claim still happened he’s made himself out to be an even bigger **** than if he just apologised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He’s gonna win this election.
He’s def not going to win this election. I don’t really gamble but I’m thinking of having a bet on Biden. I can’t see how he loses from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he doesn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Wait till the Russian bots get going...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He'd have been better going with the more straightforward "I never did it and I won't do it again". :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The odd thing about Trump is that the more outrageous he becomes the more some of his supporters or those who seek to defend him rally round him and buy into the ridiculous notion that he is a perpetual victim.
Leaving aside the potential illegal acts he has committed there are numerous incidents, that could be called faux pas if we were being kind, that would have finished him politically in normal times:
1. The whole pussy grabbing episode and the 'locker room' explanation in lieu of an apology.
2. Mocking the military career of an elder statesman within his own party.
3. Mocking a disabled reporter and openly impersonating him in a pejorative manner during a speech.
4.Politicising a traditionally apolitical speech to a group of scouts and using it to massage his own ego.
5. Sacking Rex Tillerson on Twitter.
6. Sharing multiple videos from Britain First on Twitter.
7. The entirety of longest government shutdown in US history.
8. Being a major exponent of the birther conspiracy.
9. His treatment of Khizr and Ghazala Khan.
10. Referencing Pocahontas when talking about Elizabeth Warren.
10 points will probably do for now. Even for those well to the right on the political spectrum, who may be willing to dismiss being offended about mocking women, Muslims and disabled people as the preserve of 'snowflakes' I question how they can see Trump as a man who embodies traditional conservative values. His wilful abuse of the Christian faith for his own ends, his attitude towards NATO, his veneration of dictators, his lack of formality and sense of duty, his dismissive and hostile attitude to traditional US allies and his disdain for the constitution are all completely at odds with that ideology. I question how anyone who calls themselves a Christian, a conservative or a patriot (all things many Americans hold dear) can support or vote for Trump in good conscience.
That's an interesting viewpoint you hold there.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
So, because many people disagree with you, you think they're all the same person? :crazy:
calling someone a racist and accusing him of saying things he claimed he didn't say and all because the media claim it to be true.....yes i disagree with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by 1875godsgift
Ooft, another crushing put down.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
You're getting ripped to pieces on here so you've resorted to childish insults.
That's why I deleted my post. No point engaging with imbeciles.
Oh ouch!Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
You're on fire. You should write a book.
However, there is no problem on here.
Bought any good bridges lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
Since you posted this numerous posts have included evidence that he lied, and did say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
Are you still going to defend the POTUS in spite of all the evidence against him? Or would you rather call all the other posters idiots?
The last time I posted this Biden had a 92% chance (I think) of winning and now it's down to 83%.
https://projects.economist.com/us-20...cast/president
I wonder what's causing the change in direction?
Trumps odds shortened in the aftermath of the RNC. No idea why, it was a total sh*tshow full of propaganda that would make the North Korean regime blush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
I've just been speaking to a friend who lives near Chicago and he says it's because the stock market is up. He's hoping for a crash in late October :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
It’s a classic myth that Republican Presidents are better for the stock market....on average over the post war years it’s actually Democrats that have seen the largest gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Quite whether the two (Presidents and Market prices) are as connected as people seem to assume is a totally different matter of course
This place will go into meltdown when Trump wins again. 😂 #MAGA 🇺🇸
I know from talking to friends of the opposing ilk, that they feel Tories or Republicans come in and do the hard yards turning the economy round, then the electorate are tired with them and elect Labour or the Democrats who can turn on the spending tap.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Certainly in 1997, Labour inherited a recovery by Ken Clarke from the ERM car crash and played a blinder by pledging to stick to Tory spending plans. It negated the traditional Tory attack on Labour being profligate and also bought them four years of restrained public spending.
Once back in, in 2001, the spending taps opened, and boy, did they flow!
Oh look at you trolling, you are ****ing amazing at it mate.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
:top marks Outstanding post
it says something about the man and his many actions/comments, that I’d forgotten about some of these (drowned out by other extraordinary shenanigans). Several of these would, under previous (more civilised?) times, have seen him nowhere near the presidential nominations in the first place, held to account properly, or removed from the nomination for the next election. Not at the moment :rolleyes:
I doubt any of these new revelation will hurt trump with his base but they stop his numbers from climbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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He's seen his pal Vlad license a vaccine. Trump defo going to go for it before the election!Quote:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Starting to get VERY high marks in our handling of the Coronavirus (China Virus), especially when compared to other countries and areas of the world. Now the Vaccines (Plus) are coming, and fast!
Does Trump actually think this is 'all about the numbers'?
Does he really consider over 170k Americans dying from Covid-19 mean they've handled it well?
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I don’t think that will move many voters though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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What difference does 170k dead Americans make. They are all suckers and losers for dying in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Or something like that.
If it was down to him alone that would be a certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
But he is beholden to the FDA and of course the pharma companies themselves. Just today the leaders in the industry have came out in support of proper due process.
He'll just turn it around and say that they're withholding a vaccine to undermine him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...mpression=true
Trump campaign struggling to raise money.
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Have they seriously already spent $800M on his 2020 re-election campaign?
That's crazy money.
Those Russian bots don't come cheap you know :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
BREAKING: Donald Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize https://t.co/7XhwTveIn5
Or sacked by Trump, a few even had the integrity or sense of self preservation to resign fairly quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Jonesy-
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I think there's merit in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Discuss 😀
Other prizes are available.Quote:
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How much does this one cost?
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It's mostly the irony of one of the biggest advocates of firearms being nominated for a peace prize*.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
* Yeah, I know what Nobel is most famous for.
The embassy move to Jerusalem was a real ice breaker. Still, what's a few dead Palestinians versus a Nobel peace prize.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Trump’s quotes in Bob Woodward’s new book Rage areinteresting if not surprising. What does seem surprising is that Trump hasalready characterised it as a “political hit job by rapidly fading Bob Woodward”,yet he supposedly gave 18 interviews for it. This despite similarly dismissivecomments on Woodward’s previous book Fear, in which he called the book “fiction”and dismissed Woodward as a liar.
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Originally Posted by Hibs Class
I think its narcissism, he can't deal with any criticism, but can't resist an opportunity to be the centre of attention even when he must know its likely to lead to criticism
https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/statu...304453123?s=19
So um, this isn't great.
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Originally Posted by Callum_62
No idea about how Biden has been campaigning so far (positive/negative), but I bet his people will be pushing him hard to shout about this from the rooftops
They will but the numbers have been static for months now. I can’t see it changing much between now and then no matter how bad the revelations about Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/08/p...mpression=true
More evidence Trump campaign is struggling for cash.
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
'Ad spending doesn't equal victory. If it did, Hillary Clinton would be readying her final sprint for a second term. But 95% of the time (and maybe even higher), the candidate spending more on convincing voters to choose them wins.'
That's a depressing statistic right there.
Fortunate Son - A song about rich kids avoiding going to Vietnam (or any war) plays as Trump arrives for a rally.
Top Level Irony.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/donal...-rally-2750668
I often wonder if there are people in his campaign taking the piss out of him? It’s not like you could not know what that song is about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Class bit of music though.
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He's most likely proud of being a rich son and proud that he wasn't one of the "suckers" that did national service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/...mpression=true
Terrifying.
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