Hibs transfer rumours

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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Do I need a source for my own opinion??

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Yes, give me it now or prepare to have it discovered by force :greengrin

Ah Hibs.net, where Maybury being on trial was greeted with wails of derision, but now said player going somewhere else is a disaster.

:rolleyes:

I bet Dundee might well have been willing to pay him more, because they will see him as a starter and we'd see him as a back up. This does not mean we cannot afford to pay him more if we had wanted to.

Probably wasting my time bringing logic into this, within a few pages we will no doubt have it as FACT that we've missed out the SPL's Paolo Maldini for the sake of £50 Petrie would rather spend on moustache wax...

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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Chance would be a fine thing......B

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Oh ye of little faith......

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Ah Hibs.net, where Maybury being on trial was greeted with wails of derision, but now said player going somewhere else is a disaster.

:rolleyes:

I bet Dundee might well have been willing to pay him more, because they will see him as a starter and we'd see him as a back up. This does not mean we cannot afford to pay him more if we had wanted to.

Probably wasting my time bringing logic into this, within a few pages we will no doubt have it as FACT that we've missed out the SPL's Paolo Maldini for the sake of £50 Petrie would rather spend on moustache wax...

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Indeed, a number getting their knickers in a twist over nothing much......

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Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee

Yes, give me it now or prepare to have it discovered by force :greengrin

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Ok the source is me as its my opinion ;)

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Oh ye of little faith......

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Yes B my glass is always half empty, it's the Hibs way :)

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Ah Hibs.net, where Maybury being on trial was greeted with wails of derision, but now said player going somewhere else is a disaster.

:rolleyes:

I bet Dundee might well have been willing to pay him more, because they will see him as a starter and we'd see him as a back up. This does not mean we cannot afford to pay him more if we had wanted to.

Probably wasting my time bringing logic into this, within a few pages we will no doubt have it as FACT that we've missed out the SPL's Paolo Maldini for the sake of £50 Petrie would rather spend on moustache wax...

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The disaster is, again we have effed up our pre season! No settled team, and the possibility of players coming in at the last moment! If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious!

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

The disaster is, again we have effed up our pre season! No settled team, and the possibility of players coming in at the last moment! If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious!

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We played the same starting 11 against Union Berlin and Huddersfield, which was a huge indication as to PF's thinking. Maybe after the Let's Work Together calls, more have renewed, allowing us to bring in other's? The window is open until the end of August, let's not press the panic button just yet.....

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Ah Hibs.net, where Maybury being on trial was greeted with wails of derision, but now said player going somewhere else is a disaster.

:rolleyes:

I bet Dundee might well have been willing to pay him more, because they will see him as a starter and we'd see him as a back up. This does not mean we cannot afford to pay him more if we had wanted to.

Probably wasting my time bringing logic into this, within a few pages we will no doubt have it as FACT that we've missed out the SPL's Paolo Maldini for the sake of £50 Petrie would rather spend on moustache wax...

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Have just got in so haven't read all todays posts.
Heard at lunchtime , allbeit from a local 'journo' , that Maybury is asking for guarantees of a first team starting place which PF ( naturally) isn't prepared to give

My personal call to Fenlon to preserve all transfer business to the last day of the window is bearing fruit. Gear yourselves up for August 31st lads.

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Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee

My personal call to Fenlon to preserve all transfer business to the last day of the window is bearing fruit. Gear yourselves up for August 31st lads.

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The routine must be kept otherwise the moaners will be unable to moan

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Originally Posted by jdships

Have just got in so haven't read all todays posts.
Heard at lunchtime , allbeit from a local 'journo' , that Maybury is asking for guarantees of a first team starting place which PF ( naturally) isn't prepared to give

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Fair enough, I did not think he would be a starter every week, so can understand PF's stance....

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Fair enough, I did not think he would be a starter every week, so can understand PF's stance....

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Nobody should be guaranteed a starting place, it creates a bit of healthy competition in the squad

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

We played the same starting 11 against Union Berlin and Huddersfield, which was a huge indication as to PF's thinking. Maybe after the Let's Work Together calls, more have renewed, allowing us to bring in other's? The window is open until the end of August, let's not press the panic button just yet.....

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I'm not panicking, it's just, after last years pre-season debacle... I hoped, we would have at least, got a settled side together to move forward with. Although I do understand the ambiguity caused by Rangers/Sky funding, I still hoped we would have learned some lessons.

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Originally Posted by jdships

Have just got in so haven't read all todays posts.
Heard at lunchtime , allbeit from a local 'journo' , that Maybury is asking for guarantees of a first team starting place which PF ( naturally) isn't prepared to give

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That seems a very strange and totally unrealistic demand for any player to make.

All players have their ups and downs during the course of a season so surely a player can't demand to be picked even when they're suffering from a loss of form?

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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Nobody should be guaranteed a starting place, it creates a bit of healthy competition in the squad

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Williams and McPake, will be two on the teamsheet each week barring injury or suspension

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Williams and McPake, will be two on the teamsheet each week barring injury or suspension

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Baldy. You can add Griffiths to that pair for me as well.

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

I'm not panicing, it's just, after last years pre-season debacle... I hoped, we would have at least, got a settled side together to move forward with. Although I do understand the ambiguity caused by Raangers/Sky funding, I still hoped we would have learned some lessons.

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Fair do's

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Williams and McPake, will be two on the teamsheet each week barring injury or suspension

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Yes but don't tell anyone ;)

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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Yes but don't tell anyone ;)

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I can keep a secret ..............

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Originally Posted by Aldo

Baldy. You can add Griffiths to that pair for me as well.

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Indeed......

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

We played the same starting 11 against Union Berlin and Huddersfield, which was a huge indication as to PF's thinking. Maybe after the Let's Work Together calls, more have renewed, allowing us to bring in other's? The window is open until the end of August, let's not press the panic button just yet.....

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:agree: My only concern is whos partnering Mcpake

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Originally Posted by hibees 7062

:agree: My only concern is whos partnering Mcpake

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Stephens is OK, if he can maintain his concentration throughout the game......I think McPake will really help Stephens and will bring him on....Thats my hope anyway

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Stephens is OK, if he can maintain his concentration throughout the game......I think McPake will really help Stephens and will bring him on....Thats my hope anyway

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I agree with this

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

We played the same starting 11 against Union Berlin and Huddersfield, which was a huge indication as to PF's thinking. Maybe after the Let's Work Together calls, more have renewed, allowing us to bring in other's? The window is open until the end of August, let's not press the panic button just yet.....

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With 7000 ST in place before the phone round, which is the third biggest ST sales in the SPL, we should have been able to put a squad together before the season kicks off. A very valiant effort by all the people on the phones and with all due respect, how many more ST were they realistically expecting to sell? Its not really good enough for a club like Hibs to have the bare bones of the crap we had last year to start the new season. I don't get this August 31 thing anyway, the season starts on Sunday. Just as well the 7000 early renewars didn't do the same and leave it until then.

I dont believe there are no players out there that could improve our team for the money we are offering. The bottom line is they have not been identified. For a close season rebuild, it is very disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Stephens is OK, if he can maintain his concentration throughout the game......I think McPake will really help Stephens and will bring him on....Thats my hope anyway

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Mine to i like Stephens just hope he can handle any mistakes being so young

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Stephens is OK, if he can maintain his concentration throughout the game......I think McPake will really help Stephens and will bring him on....Thats my hope anyway

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I hope so too. At Vlissingen it was easy to hear him in Stephens' ear during the 2nd Half, encouraging him.

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Originally Posted by Emerald

With 7000 ST in place before the phone round, which is the third biggest ST sales in the SPL, we should have been able to put a squad together before the season kicks off. A very valiant effort by all the people on the phones and with all due respect, how many more ST were they realistically expecting to sell? Its not really good enough for a club like Hibs to have the bare bones of the crap we had last year to start the new season. I don't get this August 31 thing anyway, the season starts on Sunday. Just as well the 7000 early renewars didn't do the same and leave it until then.

I dont believe there are no players out there that could improve our team for the money we are offering. The bottom line is they have not been identified. For a close season rebuild, it is very disappointing.

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You surely can't be surprised!!

It has been exactly the same every year since Rod took over

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Originally Posted by Emerald

With 7000 ST in place before the phone round, which is the third biggest ST sales in the SPL, we should have been able to put a squad together before the season kicks off. A very valiant effort by all the people on the phones and with all due respect, how many more ST were they realistically expecting to sell? Its not really good enough for a club like Hibs to have the bare bones of the crap we had last year to start the new season. I don't get this August 31 thing anyway, the season starts on Sunday. Just as well the 7000 early renewars didn't do the same and leave it until then.

I dont believe there are no players out there that could improve our team for the money we are offering. The bottom line is they have not been identified. For a close season rebuild, it is very disappointing.

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For the long haul I'm to happy to get the right ones that want to be here. I'm sure we could sign all manner of players which is just what we've done in the past. Pat has shown at previous jobs he won't be rushed for the sake of it.

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Originally Posted by Emerald

With 7000 ST in place before the phone round, which is the third biggest ST sales in the SPL, we should have been able to put a squad together before the season kicks off. A very valiant effort by all the people on the phones and with all due respect, how many more ST were they realistically expecting to sell? Its not really good enough for a club like Hibs to have the bare bones of the crap we had last year to start the new season. I don't get this August 31 thing anyway, the season starts on Sunday. Just as well the 7000 early renewars didn't do the same and leave it until then.

I dont believe there are no players out there that could improve our team for the money we are offering. The bottom line is they have not been identified. For a close season rebuild, it is very disappointing.

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Got to say thats the way its starting to look.

The only actual new signings we have made are Cairney, Williams and Clancy.

Everybody else at ER was here for the 2nd half of the season and the cup final and the truth is that they struggled against just about every team they played ... the 3 new guys are not IMO going to change that situation a great deal, though I did like what I saw of Cairney against Huddersfield, Williams looked solid enough and Clancy looks at least as good as anybody else we have had at RB recently.

Forgetting the forward position we desperately desperately needed to strengthen the midfield and up to now not only have we not done that, we havn't even looked like we are thinking about it .. our targets ( not that Hibs ever say who they are after ) seem to be defenders and forwards .. or at least thats what PF seems to be thinking about.

We should be busting a gut to vastly improve our midfield and its not happening.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Didn't he do well at Watford?

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We were going to take another lad on loan from Vicarage Road but you don't get anything for a pair, not in this game.

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Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee

My personal call to Fenlon to preserve all transfer business to the last day of the window is bearing fruit. Gear yourselves up for August 31st lads.

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The season starts this week so would it not have been better to prepare a squad before so they had time to train together and have preseason to gel together.

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Originally Posted by gegs70

The season starts this week so would it not have been better to prepare a squad before so they had time to train together and have preseason to gel together.

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:tee hee:

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Originally Posted by gegs70

The season starts this week so would it not have been better to prepare a squad before so they had time to train together and have preseason to gel together.

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Whoosh.

[QUOTE=jc1;3311336]Whoosh.[/QUO

Hopefully we will be ok with what weve got.....?????????

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Originally Posted by gegs70

The season starts this week so would it not have been better to prepare a squad before so they had time to train together and have preseason to gel together.

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:greengrin

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Originally Posted by gegs70

The season starts this week so would it not have been better to prepare a squad before so they had time to train together and have preseason to gel together.

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:hilarious :hilarious


Whooooosh :Ummm:

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Originally Posted by Leeson

Rowan Vine in his interview when signing for St Johnstone said he'd been training on his own all summer just waiting for a call from a club willing to give him a chance. St Johnstone did that last week when they invited him up to train.

Not sure why fans are so eager for these stories that reflect badly on Hibs. It seems pretty clear if the club did show any interest, it was after he scored two goals on Saturday and by that time he had probably made up his mind to sign for Saints.

He certainly hinted at that when the Rangers interest was mentioned. He said he had been made to feel welcome in Perth and wasn't going to tout himself about. If Hibs did contact his agent, I bet Vine never even spoke to the club, so how did he turn Hibs down?

Negative for the sake of being negative some posters.

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So we might not have been outbid, but we may have been slow off the mark in securing this player's signature?

If we were interested in him, that is.

That still wouldn't paint the club in the best possible light on the transfer front. If it were to be the case. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Andy74

For the long haul I'm to happy to get the right ones that want to be here. I'm sure we could sign all manner of players which is just what we've done in the past. Pat has shown at previous jobs he won't be rushed for the sake of it.

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The long haul? How ******g long is that going to last? We've been asked to patient for years.

Kerr's been offered terms.

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Originally Posted by Speedway

Kerr's been offered terms.

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Brian????

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Originally Posted by Speedway

Kerr's been offered terms.

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Is that that then... I really did hope for more this week tbh... Especially since the telly contract had been sorted.

We need at least another 3 in minimum IMHO. Another MF and 2 x CF.

If this is indeed it then we are in for a battle royale again this season.

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Originally Posted by Speedway

Kerr's been offered terms.

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Some people might not agree but I'd rather Michael Stewart, who is as far as I know is still a free agent, over Kerr. I'm by no means saying he is the best option but he would offer more than Kerr.

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Originally Posted by Mixu 6-2

Some people might not agree but I'd rather Michael Stewart, who is as far as I know is still a free agent, over Kerr. I'm by no means saying he is the best option but he would offer more than Kerr.

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:agree: Free agent , bad egg i think . Pity great player

I'm glad that we're not buying a whole new squad. We've tried this - it ends up in cancelled contracts and squad fillers.

In a team that lacks leadership, we're signing two experienced heads in Maybury and Kerr, the latter of whom was captain at Aberdeen. Williams is an experienced goalkeeper, who played regularly before coming to Hibs, and a fans favourite. Cairney is a talented player, looking to make the step up, but with a good history of goals from midfield, and Clancy is an established SPL player, who featured in a number of positions for Motherwell, regularly last season.

We're building a team, and it takes more than a window. We're looking to improve, but if you think that you can realistically expect to go from relegation struggler to Champions league over a summer, then you're off your heid.

This team is the team we have. I simply hope it is an improvement on last year, and continues to improve. Top six material hopefully.

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Originally Posted by 500miles

I'm glad that we're not buying a whole new squad. We've tried this - it ends up in cancelled contracts and squad fillers.

In a team that lacks leadership, we're signing two experienced heads in Maybury and Kerr, the latter of whom was captain at Aberdeen. Williams is an experienced goalkeeper, who played regularly before coming to Hibs, and a fans favourite. Cairney is a talented player, looking to make the step up, but with a good history of goals from midfield, and Clancy is an established SPL player, who featured in a number of positions for Motherwell, regularly last season.

We're building a team, and it takes more than a window. We're looking to improve, but if you think that you can realistically expect to go from relegation struggler to Champions league over a summer, then you're off your heid.

This team is the team we have. I simply hope it is an improvement on last year, and continues to improve. Top six material hopefully.

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:agree::agree:

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Originally Posted by Mixu 6-2

Some people might not agree but I'd rather Michael Stewart, who is as far as I know is still a free agent, over Kerr. I'm by no means saying he is the best option but he would offer more than Kerr.

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****in' h****s *******

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Originally Posted by 500miles

I'm glad that we're not buying a whole new squad. We've tried this - it ends up in cancelled contracts and squad fillers.

In a team that lacks leadership, we're signing two experienced heads in Maybury and Kerr, the latter of whom was captain at Aberdeen. Williams is an experienced goalkeeper, who played regularly before coming to Hibs, and a fans favourite. Cairney is a talented player, looking to make the step up, but with a good history of goals from midfield, and Clancy is an established SPL player, who featured in a number of positions for Motherwell, regularly last season.

We're building a team, and it takes more than a window. We're looking to improve, but if you think that you can realistically expect to go from relegation struggler to Champions league over a summer, then you're off your heid.

This team is the team we have. I simply hope it is an improvement on last year, and continues to improve. Top six material hopefully.

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How many windows do you reckon then. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting and getting told to be patient, its been a transition period for the best part of 30 years. Which window will we have a team ready to play to the standard a team with the third highest support in the league deserves. I can't believe we are not ready for the season AGAIN. We have almost the same team that failed so badly last season. Two home league wins!!! So, how many windows is it then?

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

****in' h****s *******

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I concur.

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Originally Posted by Kato

I concur.

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So do I, but he is a better player than Kerr.

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Originally Posted by Mixu 6-2

So do I, but he is a better player than Kerr.

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Was

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Originally Posted by Emerald

How many windows do you reckon then. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting and getting told to be patient, its been a transition period for the best part of 30 years. Which window will we have a team ready to play to the standard a team with the third highest support in the league deserves. I can't believe we are not ready for the season AGAIN. We have almost the same team that failed so badly last season. Two home league wins!!! So, how many windows is it then?

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Nearly the same team? We're looking likely to have 5 new faces in the door, plus two players who we thought we would lose. That's more than half a team. So we can't have "nearly the same team", especially with so many out the door! People are being hysterically facile.

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Originally Posted by 500miles

Nearly the same team? We're looking likely to have 5 new faces in the door, plus two players who we thought we would lose. That's more than half a team. So we can't have "nearly the same team", especially with so many out the door! People are being hysterically facile.

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Thank god for for that. Here's me been worrying over nothing as well! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 500miles

I'm glad that we're not buying a whole new squad. We've tried this - it ends up in cancelled contracts and squad fillers.

In a team that lacks leadership, we're signing two experienced heads in Maybury and Kerr, the latter of whom was captain at Aberdeen. Williams is an experienced goalkeeper, who played regularly before coming to Hibs, and a fans favourite. Cairney is a talented player, looking to make the step up, but with a good history of goals from midfield, and Clancy is an established SPL player, who featured in a number of positions for Motherwell, regularly last season.

We're building a team, and it takes more than a window. We're looking to improve, but if you think that you can realistically expect to go from relegation struggler to Champions league over a summer, then you're off your heid.

This team is the team we have. I simply hope it is an improvement on last year, and continues to improve. Top six material hopefully.

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:agree: :top marks

Is Ludo roy Coaching the young goalkeepers at the club ? along with Scott Thomson .....Dont want to start anything silly here but it looked like him coming out of East Mains earlier this evening

Must say, Michael Stewart's work level was way above what we have had. And was actually a bit talented.

season starts in couple of days and currently we dont have a midfield as such no ball winner and no talent not seen cairney so cant count him in that one.
Will be same as last few years we will sign a couple of guys on last day of window and by which time we will already be playing catch up.
I may be proved wrong however i very much doubt we will see any new faces before sunday or infact before the derby.
I am pleased we have signed clancy however a good player for motherwell so hopefully he will do well
Mcpake well dont need to say anthing about him we know we are getting a worker and a leader new goalie looks no bad
so we have added a few just would like a bit more.
Is there any real rumours doing rounds about pos players coming in postions we need

The Lee Miller rumour seems to have died a death?

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

The Lee Miller rumour seems to have died a death?

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It was on the rumours site so no wonder. The latest from there is a move for Akinfenwa, I am 99% sure he could eat Eoin Doyle, so could be a bit of a hazard at training IMO. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by 500miles

People are being hysterically facile.

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:agree: Indeed - including the comment below.

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Originally Posted by 500miles

We're building a team, and it takes more than a window. We're looking to improve, but if you think that you can realistically expect to go from relegation struggler to Champions league over a summer, then you're off your heid.

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Champions League! :hilarious

The majority of folks are just desperate for our club to avoid a repeat of the last two seasons. Many remain unconvinced that the transfer activity to date is sufficient to avoid that outcome.

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Originally Posted by 500miles

This team is the team we have. I simply hope it is an improvement on last year, and continues to improve. Top six material hopefully.

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As Hibs supporters, we all travel more in hope than in expectation these days.

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Originally Posted by Hibs-1875

It was on the rumours site so no wonder. The latest from their is a move for Akinfenwa, I am 99% sure he could eat Eoin Doyle, so could be a bit of a hazard at training IMO. :greengrin

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:faf::top marks

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

The Lee Miller rumour seems to have died a death?

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It's been put away now until the next transfer window! An Emile Heskey one will be along in a minute

Forsyth has knocked back Dundee and will decide upon a move to either us or St Johnstone this weekend.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Forsyth has knocked back Dundee and will decide upon a move to either us or St Johnstone this weekend.

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Source?

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Originally Posted by 500miles

Nearly the same team? We're looking likely to have 5 new faces in the door, plus two players who we thought we would lose. That's more than half a team. So we can't have "nearly the same team", especially with so many out the door! People are being hysterically facile.

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I agree but surely we have 1 or 2 strikers missing than we had last season and the midfield area has not been really touched upon only really cairney? Jury is still out on Claros?

Do hibs not sign players early so they can save a few weeks wages, seems to me that happened a few timrs over the last few seasons. So they arrive at hibs unfit and a few games out of sync and we all say"give h a few games" "theres a footballerin there"...

Sorry guys rant over...Just dont feel comfortable wth what we have in certain areas.

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Forsyth has knocked back Dundee and will decide upon a move to either us or St Johnstone this weekend.

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If you are what they call "in the know" then who told you this information?

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Originally Posted by andrew70

Forsyth has knocked back Dundee and will decide upon a move to either us or St Johnstone this weekend.

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well thats the end of that because the saints ALWAYS outbid us apparently

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Originally Posted by gegs70

I agree but surely we have 1 or 2 strikers missing than we had last season and the midfield area has not been really touched upon only really cairney? Jury is still out on Claros?

Do hibs not sign players early so they can save a few weeks wages, seems to me that happened a few timrs over the last few seasons. So they arrive at hibs unfit and a few games out of sync and we all say"give h a few games" "theres a footballerin there"...

Sorry guys rant over...Just dont feel comfortable wth what we have in certain areas.

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Prepare yerself for a kicking from all Petrie's love children on here for suggesting he's holding back to save wages !!

I have mentioned this once or twice but was harangued for suggesting he would contemplate such a thing

Emille heskey set to sign:greengrin

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Originally Posted by stuart7-0

Prepare yerself for a kicking from all Petrie's love children on here for suggesting he's holding back to save wages !!

I have mentioned this once or twice but was harangued for suggesting he would contemplate such a thing

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Have to say not sure why so many people back petrie 1 managerial success then there was collins he screwed that up.
Never seems in a hurry to part with any cash rumour has it he always tries to get players on the cheap to the point they go elsewhere.
As previously said thanks for the nice stadium and the training ground but that has come at the expense of the team which im sure is where we want any money now to be spent.
It will be same old same old crappy bosmans on last day of window and a season to forget again surely he can see we need players in now and not in 3 weeks.
However with Hibs continued silence we dont know if Pat has money just not spent it yet waiting on right players so maybe it is no Petrie

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Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY

Emille heskey set to sign:greengrin

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No chance

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Originally Posted by stuart7-0

Prepare yerself for a kicking from all Petrie's love children on here for suggesting he's holding back to save wages !!

I have mentioned this once or twice but was harangued for suggesting he would contemplate such a thing

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Rightly so. It's a fairly daft thing to say.

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Originally Posted by stuart7-0

Prepare yerself for a kicking from all Petrie's love children on here for suggesting he's holding back to save wages !!

I have mentioned this once or twice but was harangued for suggesting he would contemplate such a thing

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They don't hold off to save a few weeks wages. They do however hold off until the end of the window as players drop their demands as time runs out.

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Originally Posted by stuart7-0

Prepare yerself for a kicking from all Petrie's love children on here for suggesting he's holding back to save wages !!

I have mentioned this once or twice but was harangued for suggesting he would contemplate such a thing

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Where about? I must have missed that.

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Originally Posted by Mikey

They don't hold off to save a few weeks wages. They do however hold off until the end of the window as players drop their demands as time runs out.

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So what you're saying is, he holds off to save a bit of money on wages...:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Mikey

They don't hold off to save a few weeks wages. They do however hold off until the end of the window as players drop their demands as time runs out.

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By which time we are usually already playing catch up in the league this policy has not worked for the last 4 years and doubt it will work this year.
Would rather pay a bit extra to get guys in before season starts as building a team doesnt just happen when players are put together it takes time if you wait 3-6 weeks it is more time it takes to gel etc

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Originally Posted by gbur123ukgb

Have to say not sure why so many people back petrie 1 managerial success then there was collins he screwed that up.
Never seems in a hurry to part with any cash rumour has it he always tries to get players on the cheap to the point they go elsewhere.
As previously said thanks for the nice stadium and the training ground but that has come at the expense of the team which im sure is where we want any money now to be spent.
It will be same old same old crappy bosmans on last day of window and a season to forget again surely he can see we need players in now and not in 3 weeks.
However with Hibs continued silence we dont know if Pat has money just not spent it yet waiting on right players so maybe it is no Petrie

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hibs.net FACT! Endof!

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Originally Posted by gbur123ukgb

Have to say not sure why so many people back petrie 1 managerial success then there was collins he screwed that up.

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How did he screw that up?

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Originally Posted by Mikey

They don't hold off to save a few weeks wages. They do however hold off until the end of the window as players drop their demands as time runs out.

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There's also the issue whereby the players concerned dont want to come here/hold off for a better deal elsewhere until time begins to run out. Its not always the clubs fault, which will surprise some.

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Originally Posted by gbur123ukgb

By which time we are usually already playing catch up in the league this policy has not worked for the last 4 years and doubt it will work this year.
Would rather pay a bit extra to get guys in before season starts as building a team doesnt just happen when players are put together it takes time if you wait 3-6 weeks it is more time it takes to gel etc

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Indeed.

Perhaps we'd make more progress by actually signing players that want to play for Hibs rather than waiting till the end of the window and signing players who are desperate for a contract wherever they can get it. There's also a reason that nobody has signed most of these players as well...

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Rightly so. It's a fairly daft thing to say.

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Okay Andy Petrie

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Originally Posted by The Falcon

How did he screw that up?

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By not backing the manager against the players when he had just won us the cis cup first cup since 1991.
Collins tried to change culture of club get the players to be proper pros and the players didnt like it.
Collins wanted the players to be total professionals to me there is nothing wrong with that.
Collins also wanted the players to study the game be at training early in morning and not leave until 4-5 oclock in the day and agian the players didnt like it they went to petrie and instead of telling them to bolt if they didnt like new ideas there is the door he had meeting with them did he not.
Since then the club has had a softness about it and that is part of the problem.

Mark my words watch Livingston in couple of years with yogi and collins what im told is collins is putting into place same professionalism at livy as he was trying to do here and they will do well

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Originally Posted by stuart7-0

Okay Andy Petrie

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Less of the personal stuff please.

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Originally Posted by Mikey

Less of the personal stuff please.

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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:confused:

Some folk getting a bit sensitive no?

Less bickering and more rumours please :aok:

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Less bickering and more rumours please :aok:

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Andy74 is Petrie's love child is a major rumour:wink::greengrin

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By not backing the manager against the players when he had just won us the cis cup first cup since 1991.
Collins tried to change culture of club get the players to be proper pros and the players didnt like it.
Collins wanted the players to be total professionals to me there is nothing wrong with that.
Collins also wanted the players to study the game be at training early in morning and not leave until 4-5 oclock in the day and agian the players didnt like it they went to petrie and instead of telling them to bolt if they didnt like new ideas there is the door he had meeting with them did he not.
Since then the club has had a softness about it and that is part of the problem.

Mark my words watch Livingston in couple of years with yogi and collins what im told is collins is putting into place same professionalism at livy as he was trying to do here and they will do well

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Petrie absolutely backed Collins.

He met the players out of courtesy, doing so at his home was a mistake.

By all accounts, and the evidence backs this, he listened to the players complaints and then made it clear that JC was the manager and that was that. He also backed Collins decision to remove the players he perceived to be the 'ringleaders' of the rebellion from the club in the summer.

Still the fact that Petrie backed the players has become yet another FACT. ENDOF. to beat Petrie and the club with at any opportunity.

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Less of the personal stuff please.

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Sticks and stones ......

Banter mate ..... Lighten up !!!

Oh and opinions is what it's all about. Would be well boring if every one on here agreed !!!

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Petrie absolutely backed Collins.

He met the players out of courtesy, doing so at his home was a mistake.

By all accounts, and the evidence backs this, he listened to the players complaints and then made it clear that JC was the manager and that was that. He also backed Collins decision to remove the players he perceived to be the 'ringleaders' of the rebellion from the club in the summer.

Still the fact that Petrie backed the players has become yet another FACT. ENDOF. to beat Petrie and the club with at any opportunity.

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Who were these out of interest? Stewart? Brown?

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Originally Posted by stuart7-0

Okay Andy Petrie

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You go girl!

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

:take that

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Originally Posted by gbur123ukgb

By not backing the manager against the players when he had just won us the cis cup first cup since 1991.
Collins tried to change culture of club get the players to be proper pros and the players didnt like it.
Collins wanted the players to be total professionals to me there is nothing wrong with that.
Collins also wanted the players to study the game be at training early in morning and not leave until 4-5 oclock in the day and agian the players didnt like it they went to petrie and instead of telling them to bolt if they didnt like new ideas there is the door he had meeting with them did he not.
Since then the club has had a softness about it and that is part of the problem.

Mark my words watch Livingston in couple of years with yogi and collins what im told is collins is putting into place same professionalism at livy as he was trying to do here and they will do well

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You seem to have missed his quality signings out and the fact he baled out prior to a run of fixtures he didn't fancy.

Putting all the sniping aside, on the eve of the season after 2 years of dreadful football and sub standard players, we are seriously under prepared for the coming season.

We expected a lot of change, a summer of change even and the best case scenario was a lot of new players to take time to gel. We have lost 15 and brought in 5, 2 of which were here last season.

I just listened to the podcast from sportsound last night and they were raving about how good united were. And how good a performance Motherwell put in and even St Johnstone. United in particular look like they have excellent young players, a solid defence, creative midfield and superb front three.

Us? Midfield is no better, if anything marginally worse. And it was ineffectual last season. Attack is worse off and defence may be a little better. And we finished 11th last season.

All I can see for first two games is :-

Dundee United 3 Hibs 0
Hibs 0 Hearts 2

As others have said we could be in trouble by the 1st Sept if we wait to get a couple in then. Saying that we have the AGM in October....so oh all know what's could be coming then...

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Putting all the sniping aside, on the eve of the season after 2 years of dreadful football and sub standard players, we are seriously under prepared for the coming season.

We expected a lot of change, a summer of change even and the best case scenario was a lot of new players to take time to gel. We have lost 15 and brought in 5, 2 of which were here last season.

I just listened to the podcast from sportsound last night and they were raving about how good united were. And how good a performance Motherwell put in and even St Johnstone. United in particular look like they have excellent young players, a solid defence, creative midfield and superb front three.

Us? Midfield is no better, if anything marginally worse. And it was ineffectual last season. Attack is worse off and defence may be a little better. And we finished 11th last season.

All I can see for first two games is :-

Dundee United 3 Hibs 0
Hibs 0 Hearts 2

As others have said we could be in trouble by the 1st Sept if we wait to get a couple in then. Saying that we have the AGM in October....so oh all know what's could be coming then...

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Agreed.

The overhaul we absolutely desperately needed has not materialised and it's an absolute disgrace to be honest. Close to 8000 season tickets sold if we're to believe Petrie and yet almost every other team in the league appears to be in better shape than us, the majority of whom who have much less in the way of season tickets, and at cheaper prices!

I honestly can't see anything other than 2 defeats in the first 2 games and then we are absolutely back to square one.

It will take at least another 3 quality signings to persuade me otherwise.

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Agreed.

The overhaul we absolutely desperately needed has not materialised and it's an absolute disgrace to be honest. Close to 8000 season tickets sold if we're to believe Petrie and yet almost every other team in the league appears to be in better shape than us, the majority of whom who have much less in the way of season tickets, and at cheaper prices!

I honestly can't see anything other than 2 defeats in the first 2 games and then we are absolutely back to square one.

It will take at least another 3 quality signings to persuade me otherwise.

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What "quality" have we signed so far?????

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What "quality" have we signed so far?????

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Well hoping Clancy is decent...and Griffiths is supposed to be of good quality (don't necessarily agree myself). Clutching at straws maybe so you can take or leave the word 'another' if you want :greengrin

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What "quality" have we signed so far?????

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McPake, Griffiths, Clancy. And Williams and Cairney could be great signings!

I am going to put a bit money on United to give us a hiding. 4-0 should stem off the pain of defeat.

You could almost write the post match report already.

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McPake, Griffiths, Clancy. And Williams and Cairney could be great signings!

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McPake, Griffiths, Clancy. And Williams and Cairney could be great signings!

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We had McPake and Griffiths for a good part of last season and still finished 11th. Two of the others you mention might improve on who we had in those positions already but Cairney in midfield in the SPL is untried so we can't say if that has strengthened our midfield and on paper at least it looks not to have. Our foward line looks weaker (again on paper).

As others have said above, the overhaul some of us hoped for has not materialised and there is a chance that clubs with less resources than us are doing better with the little they have.

What is really frustrating for me, and to a point undermines our club, is that the fans seem to recognise problems that the club don't or at least appear to be incapable of sorting. That at a time when Dundee Utd are fairly consistently good not comparing with the OF, St J continue to punch above their weight as do Motherwell, etc. The club continually ask us to back them but some may feel they are simply flogging a dead horse, because year in year out it's just the same old. I don't know what players are available but like others here I think I have realistic expectations, which haven't been met for a few years now.

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I am going to put a bit money on United to give us a hiding. 4-0 should stem off the pain of defeat.

You could almost write the post match report already.

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And if Hibs win it will simply be a case of "papering over the cracks".

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.