The rise of the far right in Germany

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

40% of EU migrants and 25% of African migrants aren't registered to vote and usually only 50% of under 25s vote.

I don't know how we get these groups to vote but the UK would be a better place if they did as Reform and the Tories didn't pitifully in these groups.

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Presumably those are percentages of the total number of migrants, not percentages of the number with UK citizenship? If you don't have citizenship then you can't vote in general elections, only local elections.

My partner is German and registered to vote in local elections, but I can see why a lot of people wouldn't bother.

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Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish

Presumably those are percentages of the total number of migrants, not percentages of the number with UK citizenship? If you don't have citizenship then you can't vote in general elections, only local elections.

My partner is German and registered to vote in local elections, but I can see why a lot of people wouldn't bother.

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It's eligible voters in the general election from each group that votes

https://post.parliament.uk/election-turnout-why-do-some-people-not-vote/

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

It's eligible voters in the general election from each group that votes

https://post.parliament.uk/election-...ople-not-vote/

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Ah ok, thanks

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Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish

Ah ok, thanks

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I can also see why they would feel disenfranchised though, I'm not blaming them it's the parties duty to reach them

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Strange, I felt it was exactly the other way round. If you read the British press then you'd be forgiven for thinking that Germany was on the cusp of welcoming in the 4th Reich. :greengrin

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Yeah, either that or on the brink of financial disaster. It's bizarre how Germany is reported on over here.


I had a brief spell of unemployment in Germany (3 months between jobs) and my 'Dole' money was higher than what my wife gets in her current job in the UK.

Also, If I had to see a doctor, it was so much easier than making an appointment where I live now.


And I was an immigrant. The far-right would be raging about people like me :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Yeah, either that or on the brink of financial disaster. It's bizarre how Germany is reported on over here.


I had a brief spell of unemployment in Germany (3 months between jobs) and my 'Dole' money was higher than what my wife gets in her current job in the UK.

Also, If I had to see a doctor, it was so much easier than making an appointment where I live now.


And I was an immigrant. The far-right would be raging about people like me :greengrin

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I started writing a long post but it just read like I'm boasting and I get really self-conscious about that. Suffice to say I just wish that workers in the UK were afforded the same powers and privileges that we get over here. Which makes the surge amongst the far right even more baffling for me. Anyone who wants to make something of themselves has the opportunity to do so. I've had money thrown at me by the German government to train and retrain several times and this kind of support is available to all. I've only ever been out of work once and that was whilst the German government were paying me to retrain as a truck driver a few years back just because I fancied doing that, but there are similar schemes for all jobs where employers are having trouble recruiting and they'll pay people 67% of their last net wage whilst they retrain. And still Germany needs immigration to fill these vacancies. I'm now in a management position and find it incredible that it takes months to fill vacancies because people are reluctant to obtain new qualifications, even when they're offered to them on a silver platter. Baffling.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

I started writing a long post but it just read like I'm boasting and I get really self-conscious about that. Suffice to say I just wish that workers in the UK were afforded the same powers and privileges that we get over here. Which makes the surge amongst the far right even more baffling for me. Anyone who wants to make something of themselves has the opportunity to do so. I've had money thrown at me by the German government to train and retrain several times and this kind of support is available to all. I've only ever been out of work once and that was whilst the German government were paying me to retrain as a truck driver a few years back just because I fancied doing that, but there are similar schemes for all jobs where employers are having trouble recruiting and they'll pay people 67% of their last net wage whilst they retrain. And still Germany needs immigration to fill these vacancies. I'm now in a management position and find it incredible that it takes months to fill vacancies because people are reluctant to obtain new qualifications, even when they're offered to them on a silver platter. Baffling.

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Absolute sellout, I still can't believe you joined the pointy shoe and suit brigade. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Andy Bee

Absolute sellout, I still can't believe you joined the pointy shoe and suit brigade. :greengrin

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You and me both :greengrin

Cast my vote in the state elections in Brandenburg today. All the opinion polls have been showing a tiny lead for the AfD in the run up. First exit poll now showing an SPD win, albeit small. Hopefully it stays that way.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Cast my vote in the state elections in Brandenburg today. All the opinion polls have been showing a tiny lead for the AfD in the run up. First exit poll now showing an SPD win, albeit small. Hopefully it stays that way.

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That was very close, less than 2 percentage points difference.

Sadly the AFD has yet again received around 30% of the vote, which backs up your answer to my earlier question about whether it was different to Mitteldeutschland... sadly it's very similar. :-(

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

That was very close, less than 2 percentage points difference.

Sadly the AFD has yet again received around 30% of the vote, which backs up your answer to my earlier question about whether it was different to Mitteldeutschland... sadly it's very similar. :-(

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This map of the constituencies surrounding Berlin shows that those areas that border Berlin voted against the AfD, showing that those who have more contact to foreigners are less likely to be taken in by the AfD's "Foreigners Bad" propaganda. The AfD attract xenophobics.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

This map of the constituencies surrounding Berlin shows that those areas that border Berlin voted against the AfD, showing that those who have more contact to foreigners are less likely to be taken in by the AfD's "Foreigners Bad" propaganda. The AfD attract xenophobics.

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Are these elections taken as an indication of the general elections or is it like the by-elections here where protest votes ect can do well.

Hopefully AfD do a lot poorer in the rest of the country as is expected I think?

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Are these elections taken as an indication of the general elections or is it like the by-elections here where protest votes ect can do well.

Hopefully AfD do a lot poorer in the rest of the country as is expected I think?

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It's more like the elections in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Federal States in Germany have their own parliaments and a certain amount of devolved power.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

It's more like the elections in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Federal States in Germany have their own parliaments and a certain amount of devolved power.

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Ah thanks. Glad the SDP got it then