Tavares

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

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Dan Mackay will never play at as high a level as Hibs again in his career imo.

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I agree. Tait as well. I'm glad we took a chance on the lads as there was potential there but i think they've found their level, which is good but not Hibs standard. Melkersen i just don't think will make it. Everyone mentions the Motherwell game after he arrived but i can't remember him doing anything significant other than this and that's coming up for two years ago now. Tavares? Big question marks but he has an opportunity. Hope he takes it.

Dan Mackay scored a cracker against Celtic in the Scottish Cup Final IIRC

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I think it just highlights how all over the place our recruitment was at times. We maybe didn't exclusively sign a whole load of bad players, albeit there have been a few stinkers, but we seemed to sign a whole host of players with no idea how or where we were actually going to play them.

We play 1 up top so lets bring in McKirdy who excels in a 2 and stick him out on the right, ditto with Melkerson. Hoppe was another about whom it was often said that he 'has to play as a 2'. Obviously you want options but last season it was Nisbet then trying to shoehorn others in around him, bizarrely we also had the situation that when Nisbet wasn't fit we really had no one who could play up top on their own in a comparable way to him so had to shuffle the whole team to try and accommodate that or have someone totally unsuited to the lone striker role huffing and puffing for 60 minutes until they were replaced by someone else to take a 30 minute turn being frustrated.

Hopefully now we seem to have a wee bit more cohesion around what we are doing we start to see players coming in and playing to their strengths rather than desperately trying to turn them into something they are clearly not. It might even see guys like McKirdy, Melkerson and Jair show why we were so keen to spend money on bringing them in.

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Totally agree, hopefully now that we have a director of football in place we shouldn't see a repeat of that.

Was a very poor decision all round when we binned the director of football position entirely after one or two poor windows in a row. Think we just needed a new man in that role rather than scrapping it.

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Originally Posted by WeAreHibs

I'll safely say I'll sit in a bath of beans if this happens.

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I will join you if it happens

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

He’s nowhere near as bad as made out, his reported wage and reputation I think has clouded people’s judgement, including the old management team who just refused to play him to try force him out.

Last pre season he shows flashes of skill. His first competitive game he came on in the cup and in one touch scooped/flicked it over the defender - ridiculous skill.

St Johnstone and Livi were his first 2 games and in the first he created a good amount of chances with his direct running in behind, picked out constantly by Cabraja. The second game he was poor on that pitch, but he was no worse than anyone else.

Since then he’s hardly got a sniff, he came on against st Johnstone again and won a pen which was later called offside, again as a result of his threatening run in behind.

The game that made me think there is 100% something there was against Raith during the Christmas break last year. He was our best player by a mile and skinned his man repeatedly, going outside and inside.

Johnson said himself there’s been friendly games he’s the best player on the park but for some reason never gave him a chance?

Sunday there I thought his movement was again good looking to get in behind but wasn’t picked out, also had a couple of good touches.

The club and Johnson piled the pressure on him, not Jair himself.

Let’s get behind him and give him a chance

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Spot on with every word. Will he become something special? Who knows until we give him a proper chance.

“He’s a very talented boy and, from what I’ve seen in training this week, he’s got a good attitude. You see some of the touches he had, he’s a very good player.

"The 22-year-old, a free transfer from Benfica B in the summer of 2022, was completely excluded from this year’s pre-season trip to Spain, with Johnson declaring that it was time for the wide man to move on.


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...avares-4338902

Good to hear that Tavares has shown the right attitude and made an impression on Monty, it would be great if he could turn his Hibs career around. I seem to recall Martin Boyle being a mixed bag when he arrived at Hibs, plenty pace but not much arising from it. Coaching changed that?

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

“He’s a very talented boy and, from what I’ve seen in training this week, he’s got a good attitude. You see some of the touches he had, he’s a very good player.

"The 22-year-old, a free transfer from Benfica B in the summer of 2022, was completely excluded from this year’s pre-season trip to Spain, with Johnson declaring that it was time for the wide man to move on.


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...avares-4338902

Good to hear that Tavares has shown the right attitude and made an impression on Monty, it would be great if he could turn his Hibs career around. I seem to recall Martin Boyle being a mixed bag when he arrived at Hibs, plenty pace but not much arising from it. Coaching changed that?

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Free transfer.

I've been under the impression that we paid decent money for him.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Free transfer.

I've been under the impression that we paid decent money for him.

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https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/articl...s-hibernian-fc

Seems to suggest we paid something for him

I seem to remember the talk at the time was that it was a free transfer with a large sell on fee 50-60%

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Originally Posted by overdrive

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/articl...s-hibernian-fc

Seems to suggest we paid something for him

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“He’s a player we’ve monitored closely for a period of time and were able to take advantage of a specific clause in his contract. He is a real talent that’ll only get better.”

"The terms of the transfer will remain undisclosed"

Sometimes players just don't work out or they don't develop as you'd hope, occasionally it's the player's aptitude and sometimes they just plateau. Perfect examples are Handling, Stanton, Murray etc.

He’s looked absolutely dire every time I’ve seen him. Also has the misfortune of smiling each time he loses the ball (basically all the time), which makes it look like he couldn’t care less.

Still, I hope he can contribute if he’s brought back into the fold, but I don’t understand why he was given more opportunities than the likes of MacKay or Bradley.

Guy deserves a second chance for sure. Was never given a proper chance by Lee Johnson and then frozen out completely. Felt the treatment of him was unfair.

Had barely any time on saturday but in his short time showed a few good touches and made a good run that should have been picked out by Marshall.

Really want to see him turn it around at Hibs.

Aye at first I was thinking, although different positions. Remember Jorge Claros after around 15 games nobody wanted him to return after the summer, he did and I and many others were gutted when he left.

However Tavares has had longer at the club and a lot less games. I would love nothing more than to see him turn it around as we need back up in those positions and when they used to post the videos of them training etc on twitter or elsewhere he was like a different player completely on the ball and striking too.

Could be a confidence thing but I don't think so, those videos they kept pumping out of dribbling taking players on in training, crossing and long shots etc were more likely in the hope some club would take him off our hands. Hope he does it but I just cant see it. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst eh !

Also on the subject of Claros I checked Wiki as I couldn't remember where he ended up after us, been a few clubs but looks like he's still playing for some club back home in Honduras by the looks of wiki, says they finished 1st but runners up so they must have a set up like the MLS or something with play offs etc/

Will be an interesting outcome if Jairzinho turns out to be a player.

Here’s a thing to ponder…

If LJ didn’t coach the team and didn’t do much in the way of tactics wtf was he doing?

As for passing judgment on a player he apparently was on the trail of Jair for some time.
He then gives him little game time, omits from preseason and then shows him the door. How much credence do we give to LJs ability to spot/coach players? Are we to believe that he was a reluctant signatory of recruited players - which players were 100% his?

For so many reasons in hindsight a pretty bizarre tenure.

I don’t think NM is the messiah with reportedly only 60 games under his belt but that was 60 games more than Mowbray.

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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby

Final Game of the season against Hearts after the split. Doidge injured (Against Kilmarnock of course) Vente suspended for giving the finger to Rangers fans. Alf playing up top with Boyle. 0-0 with 20 mins to go and Alf is subbed for McKirdy in his first game back after injury. The Swindon Van Basten causes mayhem due to his foot-high green mohawk getting in defenders faces at corners. His first goal is a toe poke from a loose ball..his second a knuckle ball 30 yarder that dips into the top corner...his third a volley that smashes Zander Clarke in the face, breaks his nose and flies in off the crossbar... Harry runs to the centre of pitch, drops his shorts to reveal a second green mowhak and takes out the whole of the Hearts directors box with an imaginary machine gun.

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Yes please :hilarious

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Originally Posted by Mango Man

I have noticed you have a bit of an obsession with wanting Melkersen to do well, obviously we all do as Hibs fans, but what is it you have seen that makes you think he would be good for us? Was it footage from his previous club or something? Just curious as I have really struggled to see what he offers.

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Not really a obsession though I suppose it's abit of everything really in footage at his previous club , his two goals against Motherwell in the cup especially the first one which I thought was excellent play from him for two different reasons . Even the games he played for us I thought his movement was good at times .

I think we played him out of position on the right and it didn't suit him , I also think the first loan move was a disaster and didn't help him or us in anyway at all .

With the new manager coming in and playing 4-4-2 I think it would suit him playing more central with a strike partner. Of Tavares , Kenneh and melkersen I thought melkersen had more potential than the other two , still do tbh though that doesn't mean to say I'm right but I'd really like to see him get another chance under the new manager .

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Not really a obsession though I suppose it's abit of everything really in footage at his previous club , his two goals against Motherwell in the cup especially the first one which I thought was excellent play from him for two different reasons . Even the games he played for us I thought his movement was good at times .

I think we played him out of position on the right and it didn't suit him , I also think the first loan move was a disaster and didn't help him or us in anyway at all .

With the new manager coming in and playing 4-4-2 I think it would suit him playing more central with a strike partner. Of Tavares , Kenneh and melkersen I thought melkersen had more potential than the other two , still do tbh though that doesn't mean to say I'm right but I'd really like to see him get another chance under the new manager .

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Agree with all of that. I have always thought he has something about him, which he has shown in glimpses. Never given a fair shot in a position, or, system that suits him. As many others have said on numerous threads, you can’t sign players who looked good in a different position and system, then say they are rubbish because they were no good when playing in a different position that they are not suited to. Hopefully he gets a chance to show that and make us some money too. Otherwise he has been a costly recruitment mistake.

https://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by worcesterhibby https://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/...post-right.png
Final Game of the season against Hearts after the split. Doidge injured (Against Kilmarnock of course) Vente suspended for giving the finger to Rangers fans. Alf playing up top with Boyle. 0-0 with 20 mins to go and Alf is subbed for McKirdy in his first game back after injury. The Swindon Van Basten causes mayhem due to his foot-high green mohawk getting in defenders faces at corners. His first goal is a toe poke from a loose ball..his second a knuckle ball 30 yarder that dips into the top corner...his third a volley that smashes Zander Clarke in the face, breaks his nose and flies in off the crossbar... Harry runs to the centre of pitch, drops his shorts to reveal a second green mowhak and takes out the whole of the Hearts directors box with an imaginary machine gun.

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

Yes please :hilarious

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To be honest, it's the goals Hibs have scored and games we have won ...in my imagination..that keep me supporting the club :greengrin:greengrin

To be honest, it's the goals Hibs have scored and games we have won ...in my imagination..that keep me supporting the club :greengrin:greengrin[/QUOTE]

Similar here only for me Keira Knightley has the season ticket next to me!

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

Yes please :hilarious

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Originally Posted by snedzuk

To be honest, it's the goals Hibs have scored and games we have won ...in my imagination..that keep me supporting the club :greengrin:greengrin

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Similar here only for me Keira Knightley has the season ticket next to me![/QUOTE]

Be careful, she's always nicking my pie in my dreams !! :greengrin

I've seen nothing to date to suggest Tavares will be a success with us - I don't doubt he has some ability but even in the scouting videos going around it was fairly obvious it was a huge gamble based on the relative lack of physicality and intensity in his game and the level he was playing at. I do understand Duk has been a success coming from there but they are completely different players.

Having said all that - if Monty has seen something and is willing to give him a chance, then we should too. I remain sceptical but would be absolutely delighted to be proven wrong. If Monty can somehow get more out of the existing squad (beyond the quality we already know we have) we are going to be in a great position to challenge for 3rd.

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Originally Posted by patlowe

I've seen nothing to date to suggest Tavares will be a success with us - I don't doubt he has some ability but even in the scouting videos going around it was fairly obvious it was a huge gamble based on the relative lack of physicality and intensity in his game and the level he was playing at. I do understand Duk has been a success coming from there but they are completely different players.

Having said all that - if Monty has seen something and is willing to give him a chance, then we should too. I remain sceptical but would be absolutely delighted to be proven wrong. If Monty can somehow get more out of the existing squad (beyond the quality we already know we have) we are going to be in a great position to challenge for 3rd.

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The way I see it for Jair is that he now has until January really to persuade Monty he's got enough about him that can be coached/improved to be a good player at this level. No one can really take him off our hands until then so we may as well put his wages to good use until it gets to a point he's actively hurting the team being involved.

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Originally Posted by patlowe

I've seen nothing to date to suggest Tavares will be a success with us - I don't doubt he has some ability but even in the scouting videos going around it was fairly obvious it was a huge gamble based on the relative lack of physicality and intensity in his game and the level he was playing at. I do understand Duk has been a success coming from there but they are completely different players.

Having said all that - if Monty has seen something and is willing to give him a chance, then we should too. I remain sceptical but would be absolutely delighted to be proven wrong. If Monty can somehow get more out of the existing squad (beyond the quality we already know we have) we are going to be in a great position to challenge for 3rd.

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I don’t think physicality has been the big issue, for me it has been his decision making. There have been plenty of Hibs attackers over the years who haven’t been very physical but have been excellent players - the key is knowing how to use the ball, when it’s appropriate to dribble or when it’s appropriate to pass.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

I don’t think physicality has been the big issue, for me it has been his decision making. There have been plenty of Hibs attackers over the years who haven’t been very physical but have been excellent players - the key is knowing how to use the ball, when it’s appropriate to dribble or when it’s appropriate to pass.

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He has played 242 minutes over 10 games; i really don’t think we’ve seen which to judge his decision making so far. On top of that, his confidence must have been shot to pieces.

No wonder Jairs confidence was low with Johnson and Co that's why he is in fold again and Johnson at Fleetwood lol

See Rabbie Matondo is having a decent start to the season for Rangers, was he not bombed out the picture last season like Tavares was with us?

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Originally Posted by bingo70

See Rabbie Matondo is having a decent start to the season for Rangers, was he not bombed out the picture last season like Tavares was with us?

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Not quite sure, looks like 30 appearances across all competions. Four appearances last May alone.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Free transfer.

I've been under the impression that we paid decent money for him.

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It wasn't free. It was an undisclosed fee

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

It wasn't free. It was an undisclosed fee

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Hes also in the top earner bracket of the wages too.