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20-10-2021, 01:28 PM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

What a bizarre post. Don’t think anybody ‘only counted’ those games. They’re just not the ones I remember.

Despite the stats I still think we have performed poorly at home under JR. 14 wins out of 33 isn’t really that great IMO, especially when a third of those wins have been against lower league teams.

I'm not sure why it's bizarre other than it's something you don't agree with. As the post above shows you've not even got your numbers correct.
20-10-2021, 01:30 PM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Yes, it happened once and was one of the most amazing games at Easter Road in the last 50 years. Everyone remembers it. It certainly isn't some kind of defining moment in Mowbrays time here.

I didn't say it was? It's relevant though as it was a home game we didn't win (along with the others mentioned earlier) despite the fact someone else said he only remembers winning at home under Mowbray.
20-10-2021, 01:32 PM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by 90274

We finished 3rd last season with a home record of 27 points from 57 points - 47% of available points which included 7 wins at home from 19 - 37%. Which is skewed further without Hearts in the league.

I think some fans are realising that as crazy as it sounds we are actually really under achieving when you take our home record and Big Game records into account. The stat of 2 wins from 20 in games against Rangers Celtic, Hearts and at Hampden is unbelievable.

There have been worse Hibs teams with better records in big games and more than likely better home records.

If we could sort out the home record and win the occasional big game that everyone remembers we could be doing really really well.

We do win the occasional big game - they've just started dropping out of the stats being posted as they don't fit anymore. Definitely an area of further improvement though. Be great to win vs the OF and then not follow it with a pumping from Livi - that's the real goal rather than just winning occasionally vs them (think that's classed as being a "boy band").
20-10-2021, 01:34 PM
Key West

So the thread turned onto a disagreement about stats, it's about now and this season, our performances at home have been poor.
20-10-2021, 01:36 PM
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by Key West

So the thread turned onto a disagreement about stats, it's about now and this season, our performances at home have been poor.

Not all of them. Very poor on Saturday and against St Mirren obviously.
20-10-2021, 01:40 PM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by Key West

Hibs need to start games with some intent and perhaps that will get both the team and the crowd going, too many times we are relying on Boyle to be brave and create the spark, our lone striker is often isolated and there's no urgency from the midfield to get in the box apart from Magennis.

I agree with this. Don't think may will disagree - midfield was far to far apart on Saturday and when Boyle is marked out the game we can struggle. Need others to step up and now we've lost Magennis' goals it's even more obvious.
20-10-2021, 01:40 PM
90274

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Originally Posted by Key West

So the thread turned onto a disagreement about stats, it's about now and this season, our performances at home have been poor.

Yes, absolutely.

But it is relevant to discuss in the context of the overall picture including big games and being 4th in win % ratio amongst all Hibs managers, which is undoubtedly enhanced with early season league cup group stage wins and wins against lower league opposition in cups for a start.

It will be interesting to keep an eye on Jack Ross overall win % and placing throughout this season.

The home record must improve!
20-10-2021, 02:00 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by 90274

Yes, absolutely.

But it is relevant to discuss in the context of the overall picture including big games and being 4th in win % ratio amongst all Hibs managers, which is undoubtedly enhanced with early season league cup group stage wins and wins against lower league opposition in cups for a start.

It will be interesting to keep an eye on Jack Ross overall win % and placing throughout this season.

The home record must improve!

Think i saw a stat that he’s currently on 2 points per game on home games this season (haven’t checked it) which would put us at 67% points gained at home.

How much better do you want it?
20-10-2021, 02:03 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Think i saw a stat that he’s currently on 2 points per game on home games this season (haven’t checked it) which would put us at 67% points gained at home.

How much better do you want it?

Edit - i have checked it, 2 points per league game at home is right.
20-10-2021, 02:04 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by Perfect Hatrick

If a 42% win record at home is the 4th best a manager has achieved at Hibs though then that is historically very poor imo even if you don’t think so.

Put simply, I don’t think winning 42% of home games is a pretty good achievement when you’re the third best team in the country.

Surely it’s good enough to be third best team in the country?
20-10-2021, 02:06 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by Perfect Hatrick

If a 42% win record at home is the 4th best a manager has achieved at Hibs though then that is historically very poor imo even if you don’t think so.

Put simply, I don’t think winning 42% of home games is a pretty good achievement when you’re the third best team in the country.

52% home win record, not 42%.
20-10-2021, 02:07 PM
Perfect Hatrick

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Surely it’s good enough to be third best team in the country?

I didn’t say it wasn’t. It’s only good enough when your away record is exceptionally good though.

As I said, I don’t think exceptional away records for Hibs are particularly sustainable although that’s maybe just because we’ve been conditioned to think that away games in football are more difficult.
20-10-2021, 02:07 PM
90274

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Think i saw a stat that he’s currently on 2 points per game on home games this season (haven’t checked it) which would put us at 67% points gained at home.

How much better do you want it?

Considering we have played so far at home in the league...

Ross County
Livingston
St Mirren
St Johnstone
Dundee Utd

I think I want nearer a 3 point average than 2.
20-10-2021, 02:08 PM
Perfect Hatrick

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Originally Posted by matty_f

52% home win record, not 42%.

It’s 42% in the league.
20-10-2021, 02:12 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by Perfect Hatrick

It’s 42% in the league.

Ok, we’re just picking those, then. Cool.
20-10-2021, 02:14 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by 90274

Considering we have played so far at home in the league...

Ross County
Livingston
St Mirren
St Johnstone
Dundee Utd

I think I want nearer a 3 point average than 2.

Interesting setting the bar at 100% for teams that aren’t big games and then also demanding wins against the big games teams.

I’m not sure anyone is capable of those standards.
20-10-2021, 02:14 PM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by Perfect Hatrick

I didn’t say it wasn’t. It’s only good enough when your away record is exceptionally good though.

As I said, I don’t think exceptional away records for Hibs are particularly sustainable although that’s maybe just because we’ve been conditioned to think that away games in football are more difficult.

Can we take into account historic records?
20-10-2021, 02:14 PM
90274

Next five home league matches...

Celtic
Rangers
Motherwell
Dundee
Aberdeen
20-10-2021, 02:15 PM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Interesting setting the bar at 100% for teams that aren’t big games and then also demanding wins against the big games teams.

I’m not sure anyone is capable of those standards.

Didn't Mowbray do it?
20-10-2021, 02:16 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by Perfect Hatrick

I didn’t say it wasn’t. It’s only good enough when your away record is exceptionally good though.

As I said, I don’t think exceptional away records for Hibs are particularly sustainable although that’s maybe just because we’ve been conditioned to think that away games in football are more difficult.

This is mental. His league form, home and away got us third - fairly comfortably.

It’s not good enough if you’re the third best team in the country though, even though it was good enough to be the third best team in the country because being good away from home over the season was too good to sustain?
20-10-2021, 02:16 PM
Perfect Hatrick

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Ok, we’re just picking those, then. Cool.

I replied to a post that was talking about league games only. You then replied to me. That’s what started the whole conversation between us. So yes, I thought it was really quite clear we were just picking those. Maybe you should have avoided the discussion completely if you were going to take the hump about it.
20-10-2021, 02:18 PM
90274

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Interesting setting the bar at 100% for teams that aren’t big games and then also demanding wins against the big games teams.

I’m not sure anyone is capable of those standards.

Nobody is demanding that we win every game like Man City.

I think we'd like to be picking up more points against the aforementioned teams at home as we'd all be expecting to finish above them.

Surely it's also not unreasonable to want more than 2 wins (out of 20) from games against Rangers Celtic Hearts and at Hampden which can really provide momentum and a bounce for the rest of the season.
20-10-2021, 02:18 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by Perfect Hatrick

I replied to a post that was talking about league games only. You then replied to me. That’s what started the whole conversation between us. So yes, I thought it was really quite clear we were just picking those. Maybe you should have avoided the discussion completely if you were going to take the hump about it.

I’m not taking the hump, just struggling to keep up with the knots folk are tying themselves up in to try and talk down a home record that stands up to any credible scrutiny you can put it on it.
20-10-2021, 02:18 PM
Perfect Hatrick

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Originally Posted by matty_f

This is mental. His league form, home and away got us third - fairly comfortably.

It’s not good enough if you’re the third best team in the country though, even though it was good enough to be the third best team in the country because being good away from home over the season was too good to sustain?

If we won every away game and won 2 or 3 home games we’d have finished 3rd.

That wouldn’t have been good enough in terms of our home record. Not every aspect of the football club has to have been good enough just because we finished 3rd. That’s a sure fire way to make sure you never get better.
20-10-2021, 02:19 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

I didn't say it was? It's relevant though as it was a home game we didn't win (along with the others mentioned earlier) despite the fact someone else said he only remembers winning at home under Mowbray.

Few times you’ve mentioned that now.

You’re clearly intelligent enough to know I wasn’t being serious about us winning every game under Mowbray, it was a light hearted throw away comment as my memory of mowbreys team was that we were excellent at home, but struggled away from home.

It was also when i was under the impression Matty was talking about most home wins rather than a %, which is why I thought mowbreys team would have won more at home (I don’t know if he did or not but i would have thought he did).
20-10-2021, 02:19 PM
Perfect Hatrick

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I’m not taking the hump, just struggling to keep up with the knots folk tying themselves up in to try and talk down a home record that stands up to any credible scrutiny you can put it on it.

👍🏼

You think the record is very good. Others don’t.
20-10-2021, 02:21 PM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Few times you’ve mentioned that now.

You’re clearly intelligent enough to know I wasn’t being serious about us winning every game under Mowbray, it was a light hearted throw away comment as my memory of mowbreys team was that we were excellent at home, but struggled away from home.

It was also when i was under the impression Matty was talking about most home wins rather than a %, which is why I thought mowbreys team would have won more at home (I don’t know if he did or not but i would have thought he did).

Sorry mate - got mixed in with the other folk twisting and turning stats to suit their argument.

I do remember a great winning away record at one point under Mowbray - maybe 6 or 7 straight wins.
20-10-2021, 02:21 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by Perfect Hatrick

In your opinion.

As with everything on here it’s opinion.

Unless it’s fact and evidence based, of course.
20-10-2021, 02:21 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Didn't Mowbray do it?

No, he definitely didn't.
20-10-2021, 02:22 PM
Perfect Hatrick

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Originally Posted by matty_f

As with everything on here it’s opinion.

Unless it’s fact and evidence based, of course.

Being 4th best in our history only makes it good enough if your opinion is that being 4th best in our history is good enough.

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