Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

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Originally Posted by shamo9

Yeah, it would be a real pain having to bring it for every game and get it checked by stewards.

I wonder if anti-vaxxers will be able to get their season ticket refunded over this? It could be a headache for Hibs.

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There's no reason why Hibs should refund STs over this.

Someone earlier wrote.....

"Vaccinated people apparently don't get ill as much. So if you are fully vaccinated and the person next to you isn't, then it shouldn't matter one iota to you."



Dont know who told you that nonsense.

It mattered one iota to me and my pals family when he died from Covid having had both jabs.

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Originally Posted by Casey1875

I think the whole covid passport thing is seriously flawed. I have not been vaccinated but have had covid, so will in theory be as equally protected as those double jabbed, yet I will not be allowed pretty much anywhere if this type of thing is passed.

It was my choice not to have it and I am happy to live with that rather than do something I am not comfortable with, considering that it wasn't part of the T&C's of entry when I bought it I will be expecting a refund for my season ticket though.

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I believe the law trumps your terms and conditions.

I’m sure Hibs will refund you though as a good will gesture.

J

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Originally Posted by 007

There's no reason why Hibs should refund STs over this.

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We've already had one unvaccinated person on this thread claiming they'll be requesting a refund if they can't go :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Mick O'Rourke

"Vaccinated people apparently don't get ill as much. So if you are fully vaccinated and the person next to you isn't, then it shouldn't matter one iota to you."

Dont know who told you that nonsense

It mattered one iota to me and my pals family when he died from Covid having had both jabs

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It is the mainstream media and the government who tell me that vaccinations don't make me as ill. Otherwise, why are they telling me that I have to have them if they dont?

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

I have asthma, I caught covid, I'm alive.

Life is full of what ifs...

Edit:I should add, I have no problem people getting vaccinations. That is your choice - cool, I ain't going to berate anybody for that. Just as others should have the choice not to.

If the vaccinations proved that they made you immune and stopped the spread, then yes there is a good argument to make the compulsary. But they don't, so this pressure on civil liberties is baffling to me.

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The vaccines are effective reducting to 60% after 6 ish months.

That’s 6 in 10 NOT getting COVID because of vaccines. That is effective for those 6. The four who do get it, ain’t dying as much as they would do without a vaccine. That is effective.

More people with vaccines = less deaths. It’s simple numbers.

If that means non vaccinated can’t go to nightclubs, festivals or football matches, then so be it.

This is not about the individual, it’s about the collective.

Perhaps missing Hibs may convince some more people to get vaccinated.

J

obviously ER is pretty much ST holders only atm but what happens to English based Hibbies? I got both my Jags early doors and I've been up to Scotland a few times since but will I be able to get a passport to attend Hibs games etc? for example I've got Scotland Rugby tickets in Nov for autumn test. will I need it then?

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I wonder where all this will end?

I'm fully vaccinated, but I'm also deeply concerned about the erosion of freedoms and liberties that we're seeing. I'm massively against coercive approaches to promoting vaccination.

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I'm probably a bit ignorant to this point but I'm genuinely interested in why you think there is an erosion of freedoms and liberties (clearly you're not the only one as it's a hot topic)?

I understand that we have fewer freedoms etc right now but that's because there is a global pandemic and as a society we are doing our best to try and contain it (i.e. it's a temporary measure for the greater good).

When it comes to vaccination passports etc then I understand that some people may wish not to get the vaccine, however, if we allowed everyone the freedom to go back to normal with no vaccines then we would be openly deciding that other, more vulnerable people, in society do not deserve as much protection from the virus?

I suppose it comes down to weighing up what's more important, people's freedom to not get vaccinated (when all the evidence of medical experts points to it being fine) Vs protecting our population from disease/the virus?

There is no doubt a balance to be had but to me it's a no brainer that we protect the population as much as possible at the expense of pissing off some anti-vaxers.

All that being said, there are clearly a lot of people who see it as a far more important issue than I'm making out above, so I'm genuinely interested to understand why...

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Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy

obviously ER is pretty much ST holders only atm but what happens to English based Hibbies? I got both my Jags early doors and I've been up to Scotland a few times since but will I be able to get a passport to attend Hibs games etc? for example I've got Scotland Rugby tickets in Nov for autumn test. will I need it then?

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Download the NHS app. Your record is there. It even works with Apple wallet now.

J

'senior figures' within Scottish Football think it's 'completely unworkable' and the joint response group are meeting to discuss it soon apparently.

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Originally Posted by hibby rae

There's no erosion of freedoms, people are free to not get the vaccine. They just have to deal with the consequences.

It's not different from me needing a variety of different vaccines when I travelled to Ghana. If I didn't have documentation to say I had been vaccinated against Yellow Fever, I wouldn't have been allowed into the country.

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You missed the part about my concerns around where this will end.

Of course there are erosions of freedoms and the more we accept them as necessary measures, the more freedoms will go. They won't be so easily returned though

Collective good v rights of the individual, We've seen this story played out before.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

The SFA think it's 'completely unworkable' and the joint response group are meeting to discuss it soon apparently.

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Is it completely unworkable or difficult?

J

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Is it completely unworkable or difficult?

J

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Sorry had to edit. Wasn't the SFA. Was senior figures within Scottish Football. Completely unworkable was the quote.

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Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish

I'd imagine the proof of vaccination used when travelling abroad should be sufficient for now.

You should be able to get a PDF confirming vaccination status through here: https://covid-status.service.nhsx.nhs.uk/ – bear in mind it has a 'valid until' date of one month from when you generate it, so you'd have to generate a new one regularly.

You can also use the NHS app on your phone (not the covid app, there's another one just called NHS App) – unlike the PDF, that shouldn't need to be updated.

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Thanks I'll look into it.

Worked it out and got mine. Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

Sorry had to edit. Wasn't the SFA. Was senior figures within Scottish Football. Completely unworkable was the quote.

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Where there is a will there’s a way.

I’m quite looking forward to vaccine passport nightclubs. Just because I’m old.

J

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

Agreed

Vaccinations are proving to be not particularly effective, and latest research shows natural immunity is more effective. However, that debate is slammed down by the MSM and Govt. Why?

People saying they wouldn't feel comfortable being next to somebody who hasn't been vaccinated just shows the level of unfounded fear that has been brainwashed into people.

Fully vaccinated people carry, spread and die from Covid
Single vaccinated people carry, spread and die from Covid
Non vaccinated people carry, spread and die from Covid

Vaccinated people apparently don't get ill as much. So if you are fully vaccinated and the person next to you isn't, then it shouldn't matter one iota to you.

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The selfish way to look at it is just that, "I'm vaccinated so I'm OK" when it should really be, "I'm vaccinated so the chances of infecting others is reduced"

The only pandemic right now is one of hysteria. Let’s see how happy everyone is when you have to take a third jab to be considered vaccinated, as in Israel. Then a fourth?

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Originally Posted by shamo9

https://vacs.nhs.scot/csp

You can get a paper copy of your vaccination status here. They post it to you. I got one. Took about a week.

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I printed mine off my laptop screen from the link above. It gives your name , DOB and the dates of your two vaccinations and the type of vaccine used. It's on A4 so not the perfect size so I might get it reduced at a photocopy shop. My phone is only one step up from an abacus so no good for swiping.

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Originally Posted by douglashibs

The only pandemic right now is one of hysteria. Let’s see how happy everyone is when you have to take a third jab to be considered vaccinated, as in Israel. Then a fourth?

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A Booster you mean?

I get a flu jag every autumn.

J

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

Okay, they are effective at reducing illness. But that is about it - they are not making you immune, and you can still get very ill and die, and you are now needing regular boosters.

So they are effective at reducing hospital backlogs - which is good. However, there is no pressure on the NHS these days - it is under control. So I don't see the point in these passports.

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https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...-on-nhs-grows/

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...h-warning-nhs/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58391759

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2021/08/...re-on-tuesday/

And that's just a quick look!!!!

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Originally Posted by douglashibs

The only pandemic right now is one of hysteria. Let’s see how happy everyone is when you have to take a third jab to be considered vaccinated, as in Israel. Then a fourth?

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It will never end, too much money being made.

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

A Booster you mean?

I get a flu jag every autumn.

J

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Is that mandatory?

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Originally Posted by douglashibs

The only pandemic right now is one of hysteria. Let’s see how happy everyone is when you have to take a third jab to be considered vaccinated, as in Israel. Then a fourth?

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But if it does come to that what's the alternative. We would just have to suck it up (although an injection would be preferable).

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Originally Posted by douglashibs

The only pandemic right now is one of hysteria. Let’s see how happy everyone is when you have to take a third jab to be considered vaccinated, as in Israel. Then a fourth?

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I'm happy with that. Once a month if that's what it takes.

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Originally Posted by Brummie_Hibs

Agreed

Vaccinations are proving to be not particularly effective, and latest research shows natural immunity is more effective. However, that debate is slammed down by the MSM and Govt. Why?

People saying they wouldn't feel comfortable being next to somebody who hasn't been vaccinated just shows the level of unfounded fear that has been brainwashed into people.

Fully vaccinated people carry, spread and die from Covid
Single vaccinated people carry, spread and die from Covid
Non vaccinated people carry, spread and die from Covid

Vaccinated people apparently don't get ill as much. So if you are fully vaccinated and the person next to you isn't, then it shouldn't matter one iota to you.

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If I can die from Covid, having been infected by someone sitting next to me, it matters more than one iota to me. What are you on about?

Dont disagree in principle but what is the aim? 2 x vax is no guarantee you wont catch it and transmit it. So a passport wont stop transmission of the virus and therefore any serious cases at the match/event or afterwards for that matter.

So what is the aim? To encourage more to get vaxxed mainly younger folk.

Only 5 clubs will be affected in Scotland + the National games.

Anybody close to the cut off point for games v the OF will simply limit the crowd to 9999 for all the added expense it will cause. Clydebank did it to avoid being over the 10000 capacity back in the day to avoid more rigorous ground checks.

I dont see what it will achieve that's all.

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Download the NHS app. Your record is there. It even works with Apple wallet now.

J

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I don’t think the app works in Scotland yet but you can screenshot your record from the nhs site if you have your code to get in.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Is that mandatory?

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Is watching Hibs mandatory?

J

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Originally Posted by Sioux

If I can die from Covid, having been infected by someone sitting next to me, it matters more than one iota to me. What are you on about?

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Does it matter more to you one way or another if you were infected by somebody who had been vacinnated or by somebody who hadn't been?

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Is watching Hibs mandatory?

J

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You're making a point about your decision to get a flu vaccine and trying to make an analogy with restrictions facing people who choose to be unvaccinated. It's not really the same as the direction of travel were going down with coercive measures and Covid, is it?