Knock-On Effect of Doig Sale

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02-08-2021, 01:21 PM
superfurryhibby

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Why would we improve a players contract without getting anything in return? A better deal means a longer deal for me.

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TBF, the poster suggested a new and improved deal would eliminate the release clause. That is a pretty significant return for the club, as in my view, Boyle would be very difficult to replace. A longer deal would be good too.
02-08-2021, 01:28 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by J-C

Boyle gets Hibs and you can see how much he loves playing for us, his attitude is similar to Gray, Daz, Lewis and Hanlon and I can see him seeing out his career here. A settled player is happy player, he plays with a smile on his face and is integral to the atmosphere in the changing room, give him a wage rise and extend his stay.

I did notice his celebtration after his goal yesterday

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02-08-2021, 01:36 PM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

I did notice his celebtration after his goal yesterday

I mentioned this on another thread, but I reckon having a large, noisy travelling supoort there yesterday really rubbed off on the team. It's the first time since last March that they've played with anything like a proper atmosphere and I think the goal & FT celebrations definitely has more spark than we've been seeing with the stands empty.
02-08-2021, 01:44 PM
Torto7

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Why would we improve a players contract without getting anything in return? A better deal means a longer deal for me.

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I dont think he would sign for longer but better terms and he might be happy to play out the season without thinking about moving on.
02-08-2021, 02:24 PM
WhileTheChief..

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Yeah, the idea that Hibs have accepted first bids for players is complete rubbish

Nobody has suggested that though?

My point is that for a player who has just burst on to the scene, I'm delighted that we are asking for as much as we are.

I don't think RP would have done similar.

How do you know what RP may or may not have done in my hypothetical scenario?!
02-08-2021, 02:28 PM
MagicSwirlingShip

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Yeah, the idea that Hibs have accepted first bids for players is complete rubbish

We took a pretty measly sum from Celtic for Stokes after his first spell with us
02-08-2021, 02:32 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Nobody has suggested that though?

My point is that for a player who has just burst on to the scene, I'm delighted that we are asking for as much as we are.

I don't think RP would have done similar.

How do you know what RP may or may not have done in my hypothetical scenario?!

I can only base it on the many, many examples of him getting great fees for players.
02-08-2021, 02:34 PM
ian cruise

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Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip

We took a pretty measly sum from Celtic for Stokes after his first spell with us

Did he not have that amount written in to his contract as a clause? I'm sure I remember that discussed at the time.
02-08-2021, 02:48 PM
WhileTheChief..

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

I can only base it on the many, many examples of him getting great fees for players.

I can't think of a single Scottish player who has been sold for £1m plus, after only 1 season of top flight football.

Has there been one? I think Josh might be the first.

Going even further, how many Scottish under 21 year olds have sold for £1m plus? Not many I'd guess.

That we are close to getting £4m is phenomenal and not in any way par for the course when discussing Scottish transfers.

This will be an exceptional bit of business by RG.
02-08-2021, 02:56 PM
Wakeyhibee

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I can't think of a single Scottish player who has been sold for £1m plus, after only 1 season of top flight football.

Has there been one? I think Josh might be the first.

Going even further, how many Scottish under 21 year olds have sold for £1m plus? Not many I'd guess.

That we are close to getting £4m is phenomenal and not in any way par for the course when discussing Scottish transfers.

This will be an exceptional bit of business by RG.

Kenny Miller was the only one close I can think of. 45 games. I cant remember the figure wiki has it at £2m. But outside of that the only fairish deal we got was for Brown and given his service that was a steal on today's terms.
02-08-2021, 02:58 PM
Ozyhibby

Alan Hutton?

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02-08-2021, 03:03 PM
WhileTheChief..

Yeah, Miller got us a decent fee but he played 2 seasons with us before getting his move?

Miller, Brown, Thomson & Fletcher are our only £1m + sales I think.

The point I'm labouring is the fact that Josh has only played 1 season. Even Rangers and Celtic can't point to a player with that lack of experience being sold for so much.

It's fantastic and shows just how good our set up is. Our backroom staff deserve a huge amount of credit.
02-08-2021, 03:16 PM
superfurryhibby

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Yeah, Miller got us a decent fee but he played 2 seasons with us before getting his move?

Miller, Brown, Thomson & Fletcher are our only £1m + sales I think.

The point I'm labouring is the fact that Josh has only played 1 season. Even Rangers and Celtic can't point to a player with that lack of experience being sold for so much.

It's fantastic and shows just how good our set up is. Our backroom staff deserve a huge amount of credit.

Murphy, O'Connor, Whittaker, Goram, Collins (?), McGinn all sold for more than a million. There must a few more?

I agree though, a multi million pound fee for Doig would be pretty rare for a Scottish player who has played for one season in the first team.
02-08-2021, 03:18 PM
MagicSwirlingShip

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Originally Posted by ian cruise

Did he not have that amount written in to his contract as a clause? I'm sure I remember that discussed at the time.

That might be it. I think it was about 800k. Not great
02-08-2021, 03:22 PM
GloryGlory

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Murphy, O'Connor, Whittaker, Goram, Collins (?), McGinn all sold for more than a million. There must a few more?

I agree though, a multi million pound fee for Doig would be pretty rare for a Scottish player who has played for one season in the first team.

Ulises de la Cruz ISTR went for £1m+.
02-08-2021, 03:33 PM
WhileTheChief..

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Murphy, O'Connor, Whittaker, Goram, Collins (?), McGinn all sold for more than a million. There must a few more?

I agree though, a multi million pound fee for Doig would be pretty rare for a Scottish player who has played for one season in the first team.

Going back 20+ years again in some cases!

Again, it just goes to show how good a bit of biz this could be.
02-08-2021, 03:47 PM
Pretty Boy

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I can't think of a single Scottish player who has been sold for £1m plus, after only 1 season of top flight football.

Has there been one? I think Josh might be the first.

Going even further, how many Scottish under 21 year olds have sold for £1m plus? Not many I'd guess.

That we are close to getting £4m is phenomenal and not in any way par for the course when discussing Scottish transfers.

This will be an exceptional bit of business by RG.

Hickey from Hearts was reputed to be a fee of about £1.5M.I think he was tehcnically 2 seasons but he only played about 3 games in the 1st season.

The general point is correct though. I do think Scottish clubs are getting a bit better at holding out for better prices for our players these days though (or English clubs are willing to pay more, either way it's the same end result).
02-08-2021, 04:09 PM
hibby rae

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Hickey from Hearts was reputed to be a fee of about £1.5M.I think he was tehcnically 2 seasons but he only played about 3 games in the 1st season.

The general point is correct though. I do think Scottish clubs are getting a bit better at holding out for better prices for our players these days though (or English clubs are willing to pay more, either way it's the same end result).

Don't underestimate the Brexit factor too. Scotland has become a better market for them to shop now, and the increased demand can only be beneficial to clubs prepared to play hard ball and get what they deserve. The Doig sale can set a good precedent for all Scottish clubs.

(One miniscule silver lining from an absolute **** show 🇪🇺).
02-08-2021, 04:48 PM
04Sauzee

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I can't think of a single Scottish player who has been sold for £1m plus, after only 1 season of top flight football.

Has there been one? I think Josh might be the first.

Going even further, how many Scottish under 21 year olds have sold for £1m plus? Not many I'd guess.

That we are close to getting £4m is phenomenal and not in any way par for the course when discussing Scottish transfers.

This will be an exceptional bit of business by RG.

James Scott must have only played about a seasons worth of football for Motherwell before moving to Hull for about £1.5m?
02-08-2021, 05:09 PM
WhileTheChief..

Take your word for it.

I’ll be honest, I’ve never heard of him!
02-08-2021, 05:17 PM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by JXM73

If he goes for £4M

Left back - young and ambitious
Centre back - experienced but under 25
Striker - young and ambitious

I'd prefer young and brilliant.

In fact, just brilliant would do me fine.
02-08-2021, 05:20 PM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

The gripe with Petrie's Hibs wasn't that we didn't sell players for a fair price, but that barely any of it was re-invested in the first team.

We're clearly seeing proportionate spending under Gordon.

It was all spent on making the club what it is today. Everything was necessary and important.
02-08-2021, 05:22 PM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Nobody has suggested that though?

My point is that for a player who has just burst on to the scene, I'm delighted that we are asking for as much as we are.

I don't think RP would have done similar.

How do you know what RP may or may not have done in my hypothetical scenario?!

He knows in the same way that you do. :wink:
02-08-2021, 05:24 PM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I can't think of a single Scottish player who has been sold for £1m plus, after only 1 season of top flight football.

Has there been one? I think Josh might be the first.

Going even further, how many Scottish under 21 year olds have sold for £1m plus? Not many I'd guess.

That we are close to getting £4m is phenomenal and not in any way par for the course when discussing Scottish transfers.

This will be an exceptional bit of business by RG.

Correct.
02-08-2021, 05:37 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by Col2

I think it will provide the funding and cash flow to fund:-

- centre half - likely McCart
- Mueller - get it done now not Jan
- Striker - most difficult position but would also mitigate Nisbet going. Shankland would be a great signing but I can’t see it.

Therefore not only would squad be stronger but would mitigate late departure:-
- Boyle with Mueller in.
- Nisbet with new striker in and Mueller ability to play up front t
- Porto with day McCart and then another centre half say Jason Kerr

Boyle leaving would be the biggest impact and unfortunately we have the least amount of control assuming buy out correct.

A big fee would also compensate for the losses last year and is good business. It would also give us flex in Jan window probably more than most teams.

Don’t disagree with the three things you’ve mentioned (think it’s pretty common knowledge that’s three things we want to do anyway.

But if/when Doig is sold we need to get a left back in, otherwise that position has weakened from last year.
02-08-2021, 05:39 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I can't think of a single Scottish player who has been sold for £1m plus, after only 1 season of top flight football.

Has there been one? I think Josh might be the first.

Going even further, how many Scottish under 21 year olds have sold for £1m plus? Not many I'd guess.

That we are close to getting £4m is phenomenal and not in any way par for the course when discussing Scottish transfers.

This will be an exceptional bit of business by RG.

Andy Robertson just had the one season at Dundee Utd.
02-08-2021, 05:44 PM
Billy Whizz

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Andy Robertson just had the one season at Dundee Utd.

What was his fee to Hull?
02-08-2021, 05:45 PM
WhileTheChief..

:aok: Nice one.

He's in decent company!
02-08-2021, 05:54 PM
MagicSwirlingShip

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

What was his fee to Hull?

£2.85m in 2014 after 36 apps (wiki)
02-08-2021, 06:02 PM
jgl07

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Originally Posted by WestStandWillie

Worried someone is gonna take Boyle late in the transfer window via the release clause. He's making us tick the noo.

I can’t see many big English clubs lashing out large sums on a 28-year old. That will work in Hibs favour.

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