The Jack Ross Poll

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Originally Posted by Brightside

We know that Jack reads the forum too. Well done everyone. :rolleyes:

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Then he will see he was the backing of the majority of the support :aok:

I don’t want him sacked. I’m not doing the poll because the result will no doubt be skewed by a large number of ‘other team’ fans.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

I just wish that some on here would get the delusion that grandeur out of our head that we should be winning any non OF cup final as it would seem.

We played a very good team, they stifled us completely and we didn’t play well. There have been plenty bright spots in the season to look back on too.

Anyone voting for “Ross out” simply doesn’t understand football. I can’t respect that opinion whatsoever.

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It’s kind of been done to death but very few folk have complained about the defeat. Nearly everyone has complained about the manner of the defeat though. I don’t think it’s being deluded to expect your team to give everything in a cup final. Ours didn’t, and that has driven the reaction since the game.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Pathetic. Not even going to lower myself to voting

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Your call obviously but IMHO the more people that vote the better.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

It’s kind of been done to death but very few folk have complained about the defeat. Nearly everyone has complained about the manner of the defeat though. I don’t think it’s being deluded to expect your team to give everything in a cup final. Ours didn’t, and that has driven the reaction since the game.

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I think we were completely stifled by a team who have been together for years and knew that as a team still rebuilding, they could stop our midfield from functioning.

I don’t think we threw it away on Saturday, St Johnstone earned it from front to back.

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Originally Posted by JohnMcM

I don’t want him sacked. I’m not doing the poll because the result will no doubt be skewed by a large number of ‘other team’ fans.

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I get that but if all the Jack Ross supporters don't vote then this will lead to an unrepresentative result.

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

Your call obviously but IMHO the more people that vote the better.

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A better indication is going to be how many more buy ST between Saturday and new season. I will wait for that poll.

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Originally Posted by ahibby

Thats your opinion. Conclusions without premise are invalid arguements.

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No, they aren't arguments at all, they are propositions.

I'm not making an argument, because the case is so utterly self evident. But here you go:

P1: If your manager has led you to your best league position in well over a decade in his first full season, he shouldn't be sacked.

P2: Jack Ross led led us to our best league position in well over a decade in his first full season.

C: Jack Ross shouldn't be sacked.


To disagree, you need to deny P1, which is completely and utterly ludicrous. The only aspect of such disagreement worth discussing IMO is why TF a section of our support are so reactionary.

The ridiculous fact is, if we'd been papped out at the semi-final stage, this discussion wouldn't be happening.

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

No, they aren't arguments at all, they are propositions. If you want to know more i'm happy to help ;)

I'm not making an argument, because the case is so utterly self evident. But here you go:

P1: If your manager has led you to your best league position in well over a decade in his first season, he shouldn't be sacked.

P2: Jack Ross led led us to our best league position in well over a decade.

C: Jack Ross shouldn't be sacked.


To disagree, you need to deny P1, which is completely and utterly ludicrous. The only aspect of such disagreement worth discussing IMO is why TF a section of our support are so reactionary.

The ridiculous fact is, if we'd been papped out at the semi-final stage, this discussion wouldn't be happening.

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Yep. It’s the same reasoning that led to think that “balance” meant finding out the views of an expert economist on Brexit and then giving Mark Francois a shot. One is worth paying attention to, the other is loudmouth Neanderthal Mark Francois, it’s not balance.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Finish 3rd in the league and there's a poll asking if he should be sacked.

A section of our support have went mad.

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I am apathetic about him.

After Saturday's dismal display, I am not surprised folk want shot of him. Why must we accept the mediocrity of Saturday?

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I am apathetic about him.

After Saturday's dismal display, I am not surprised folk want shot of him. Why must we accept the mediocrity of Saturday?

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So we sack a manager after any mediocre performance despite the league campaign being our best in years? What kind of logic is that? What are we actually “accepting” there?

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

Out of interest, what is it that’s made you draw your final conclusion? You genuinely think he’s more likely to not be our manager come November?

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Next season will surely see a tougher league, with Hearts back in it. The Sheep could hardly be in any worse state than this season and Celtic will have improved. Maybe St Johnstone will emerge as a dark horse and carry on their half decent League form too.

Hibs will be in transition again, with potentially half the regular starters goner (Irvine, Hallberg, Marciano, Doig, Porteous, Nisbet and Boyle) leaving.

I see Ross's record in the transfer market as being quite mixed. He struck gold with Nisbet and the emergence of Doig. Can't see that happening again this coming season.

By then the end of October we will probably have been pumped out of Europe and will have played a quarter of the league fixtures , as well as being well into the League Cup.

Ross won't survive anything less than a strong start and I think that will be harder to achieve than last season. He probably has some credit in the bank with the owner, but I still think he isn't Gordon's man and that the owner might have his own views about who should be managing the side.

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

This is basically a poll to find out if the majority of hibs fans are deluded idiots. Another rubbish thread.

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Sorry i must have missed that option

Guess thats what you voted

We should also just had a poll where no deluded idiots were allowed to post... only a vote would have been great then noone has to read the same pesh as the other post

Great we were third as that doesnt happen a lot,,, and yes if you asked me at the begining of the season i would have accepted that.... The only reason were were third was that every other team were dross I watched every home game and most of the away games and can only this of a handfull that we played really well in... the rest were mediocre.

We have had some absolutely terrible games we have won where we were not the best team.... win ugly is what we have done more times than i would have liked....

the cup games and in perticular the St J games have been terrible... Manager doesnt learn from previous games... to be a good manager you need to learn by your mistakes and he cannot... he stands with his hands in his pockets and doesnt look bothered and thats how his team look to me...

I dont know what they do in training...ii am sure Ross doesnt know what he is doing either and the performances are there for a ll to see

So thats my opinion and am sorry if its not the same as yousr or anyone elses... i have not seen anything that makes me think he can make changes that effect games

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

Agreed. I hate our mediocre (third placed) finish in the league, our mediocre (third best) games won statistic, our mediocre (third best) games lost statistic, our mediocre (third best) goal difference..

I hate our mediocre front 3 that have scored 36 goals between them.

I hate our mediocre 20,000 seat stadium and our mediocre training center.

I hate our mediocre owner with big (probably mediocre) plans for us.

We were 1 game away from winning the Scottish cup for the second time in 5 years. We played horrific, I think the tactics were wrong and I blame Ross for that, do I want him gone on the back of it? No.

We’ve just finished third for the second time in my life and people are acting like we’re a team that’s just been relegated.

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I hate the fact that none of the above turned up on Saturday when it really counted. Where were the mediocre front 3 with 36 goals on Saturday?

I can stomach losing most games, but Saturday was absolutely pathetic from the team that finished 3rd.

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I am apathetic about him.

After Saturday's dismal display, I am not surprised folk want shot of him. Why must we accept the mediocrity of Saturday?

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No one is asking you to accept it.

This is almost the exact definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

How long are we going to just keep going round in circles on here? Until next season starts? If so it's going to be a long pre-season.

Jack Ross isn't going anywhere after that league position, no matter how much some folk might want him sacked.

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I hate the fact that none of the above turned up on Saturday when it really counted. Where were the mediocre front 3 with 36 goals on Saturday?

I can stomach losing most games, but Saturday was absolutely pathetic from the team that finished 3rd.

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I completely agree with this post, but it's still not enough to merit sacking the manager.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Quite happy for him to stay for now as we did well to finish 3rd but next season's a big one for him after our Hampden nightmares this season.

We need some big performances and results in the derbies as well.

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Yep. If we were to lose say another derby at home to Hearts and pumped out Europe early, he’s not got much credit in the bank to claw it back IMO.

Said it before though, and in hindsight it’s easy to say Ross should have done this or done that, but the players are more to blame for that spineless, embarrassment on Saturday. They should have enough professional pride and self-pride in a national cup final to be able to pick themselves up for a game like that.

I’m not disgusted with Jack Ross after Saturday, in fact I’m more than disgusted with the players, I’m still fuming

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Yep. It’s the same reasoning that led to think that “balance” meant finding out the views of an expert economist on Brexit and then giving Mark Francois a shot. One is worth paying attention to, the other is loudmouth Neanderthal Mark Francois, it’s not balance.

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I am apathetic about him.

After Saturday's dismal display, I am not surprised folk want shot of him. Why must we accept the mediocrity of Saturday?

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The display on Saturday was way below mediocre.
The season as a whole on the other hand surely can’t be called mediocre as we finished third in the league. It hasn’t been pretty to watch but very little football without fans has been, it really is a different game.

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I hate the fact that none of the above turned up on Saturday when it really counted. Where were the mediocre front 3 with 36 goals on Saturday?

I can stomach losing most games, but Saturday was absolutely pathetic from the team that finished 3rd.

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Doesn’t every game count?

We must be doing well if we have competitive games that don’t count.

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Originally Posted by Lith

Sorry i must have missed that option

Guess thats what you voted

We should also just had a poll where no deluded idiots were allowed to post... only a vote would have been great then noone has to read the same pesh as the other post

Great we were third as that doesnt happen a lot,,, and yes if you asked me at the begining of the season i would have accepted that.... The only reason were were third was that every other team were dross I watched every home game and most of the away games and can only this of a handfull that we played really well in... the rest were mediocre.

We have had some absolutely terrible games we have won where we were not the best team.... win ugly is what we have done more times than i would have liked....

the cup games and in perticular the St J games have been terrible... Manager doesnt learn from previous games... to be a good manager you need to learn by your mistakes and he cannot... he stands with his hands in his pockets and doesnt look bothered and thats how his team look to me...

I dont know what they do in training...ii am sure Ross doesnt know what he is doing either and the performances are there for a ll to see

So thats my opinion and am sorry if its not the same as yousr or anyone elses... i have not seen anything that makes me think he can make changes that effect games

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That's fine, and i share most of your sentiments. It's just utterly absurd to sack a manager who has got you into 3rd place, and that's before you start considering Covid and all that.

And fans get upset when they think footballers don't show them enough respect or commitment?

You couldn't make it up.

Jack Ross is building something here, no way should he be sacked.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Next season will surely see a tougher league, with Hearts back in it. The Sheep could hardly be in any worse state than this season and Celtic will have improved. Maybe St Johnstone will emerge as a dark horse and carry on their half decent League form too.

Hibs will be in transition again, with potentially half the regular starters goner (Irvine, Hallberg, Marciano, Doig, Porteous, Nisbet and Boyle) leaving.

I see Ross's record in the transfer market as being quite mixed. He struck gold with Nisbet and the emergence of Doig. Can't see that happening again this coming season.

By then the end of October we will probably have been pumped out of Europe and will have played a quarter of the league fixtures , as well as being well into the League Cup.

Ross won't survive anything less than a strong start and I think that will be harder to achieve than last season. He probably has some credit in the bank with the owner, but I still think he isn't Gordon's man and that the owner might have his own views about who should be managing the side.

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So all the other teams are going to be better next season but Hibs aren’t?

Hibs are the only team that will be in transition??

Aberdeen - potentially losing Ferguson and McCrorie. All 3 of their forwards they signed in January to replace Cosgrove have now left. Glass has done nothing of note so far to suggest he’s going to be a transformational manager for them.

Celtic - currently no manager but heavily linked with Eddie Howe - is he good, only ever worked well at one team but got them relegated. Edouard and Ajer likely leaving.

Hearts - less than convincing in the Championship - significant additions needed to make them competitive. Question marks over the future of their manager.

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Originally Posted by Steve20

Jack Ross hasn't got it in him to win a trophy, beat either of the old firm or even provide football that's even close to entertaining. But yeah, it's great to see our fans love being mediocre.

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Predictable but still utterly moronic.

Certainly don’t want him sacked, however I do want his sides to be far more creative and attack minded, rather than counter attacking and giving up possession. Style has to improve markedly, and I want far more aggressive tactics if we reach latter stages of cup competitions.

It’s a ‘must do a lot better’ from me. I include the recruitment team in that too. We must bring in more creative options.

Another way of looking at it - what manager in their right mind would take a job at hibs if we sacked Ross after finishing 3rd. Trust between the manager and the board is something we as fans don't really get much insight into, but is surely incredibly important?

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

That's fine, and i share most of your sentiments. It's just utterly absurd to sack a manager who has got you into 3rd place, and that's before you start considering Covid and all that.

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And i would say to you thats fine and its your opinion.... its defo not absurd to sack a manager in third.... we need to look at the bigger picture... he just doesnt motivate the players at all..... He has no fight in him at all and that reflects through the players performances.... 100% Lennon would not have stood for that first half performance and the second half would have been better


Its not all about 1 game though is it... we have had far too many performances like this all season.... Ross cant change how the games are going and his tactics to me seem pathetic...

I love Hibs and want the best for them and for me, it aint Jack Ross.....

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

So we sack a manager after any mediocre performance despite the league campaign being our best in years? What kind of logic is that? What are we actually “accepting” there?

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The word "unacceptable" gets thrown around a lot in the wake of a shambles like Saturday. What, as you say, does it actually mean?

An "unacceptable" result/display implies that you refuse to accept it. As a fan, what are your options in that case? Do you walk away from the club, thus showing that you are unable to "accept" supporting a team which serves up such sub-standard fare? Or do you bombard the club with flak, perhaps organising a demonstration at Easter Road to register your refusal to accept the display?

Perhaps if fans DID take such actions in the wake of dismal displays we'd help to ensure the team understood quite how let down we feel and we'd have to suffer fewer such disappointments. Otherwise I guess the majority of us will simply mutter bitterly about it for a good long while before eventually "accepting" it.