BBC bias again?

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I actually feel Nick gets bit of unfair stick. He arrived to cover the Indyref like he was jetting in from another planet.

Most of the Beeb folk from London actually did ok I thought: Peston was really good, Andrew Neil was a **** to both sides. BBC Scotland otoh. James Naughtie was unreal, Jackie Bird, that reporter that got sent to Madrid to find the most rabid PP deputy going ...

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I take it you didn't see his 'edited' version of his question(s) to Alex Salmond?
Nick is a nasty little piece of work, IMO.

From Wiki - "Robinson was interested in politics from a young age, and went on to study Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford University, where he was also President of the Oxford University Conservative Association. Starting out in broadcasting at Piccadilly Radio, after a year as President of the Conservative Party youth group, he worked his way up as a producer, eventually becoming deputy editor of Panorama before becoming a political correspondent in 1996."

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Originally Posted by snooky

I take it you didn't see his 'edited' version of his question(s) to Alex Salmond?
Nick is a nasty little piece of work, IMO.

From Wiki - "Robinson was interested in politics from a young age, and went on to study Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford University, where he was also President of the Oxford University Conservative Association. Starting out in broadcasting at Piccadilly Radio, after a year as President of the Conservative Party youth group, he worked his way up as a producer, eventually becoming deputy editor of Panorama before becoming a political correspondent in 1996."

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So should sarah smith be sacked from her role? And the head of BBC scotland politics for many years (possibly still is) is married to Susan Deacon.

And john swinney's wife works, or did work for the BBC i believe.

Its diffixult to find people involved in politics who aren't 'tainted' to one extent or another by having political opinions of their own.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

So should sarah smith be sacked from her role? And the head of BBC scotland politics for many years (possibly still is) is married to Susan Deacon.

And john swinney's wife works, or did work for the BBC i believe.

Its diffixult to find people involved in politics who aren't 'tainted' to one extent or another by having political opinions of their own.

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No problems with people having their own political views. My point was that Nick Robinson's report was edited in such a way as to give a totally false impression on what was actually said. At best it was a very convenient error (promoting his point of view). At worst, it was downright skulduggery.
I added the Wiki part to show that he is not exactly 'a neutral' in reporting circles when it comes to politics.

I thought this thread had been resurrected to report that Rona Fairhead ex chair of the BBC trust has been given a life peerage.

Tories looking after their own again.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...nisterial-post

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Originally Posted by snooky

No problems with people having their own political views. My point was that Nick Robinson's report was edited in such a way as to give a totally false impression on what was actually said. At best it was a very convenient error (promoting his point of view). At worst, it was downright skulduggery.
I added the Wiki part to show that he is not exactly 'a neutral' in reporting circles when it comes to politics.

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And my point is that there are effectively no neutrals, either due to reporters' own biases (consxious or unconscious) or because the viewers / readers project their own biases and shoot the messenger.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

And my point is that there are effectively no neutrals, either due to reporters' own biases (conscious or unconscious) or because the viewers / readers project their own biases and shoot the messenger.

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As I said, fair enough you can report from your political angle if you are honest about it but it's the deliberate lying that I abhor, no matter what party you represent.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

And my point is that there are effectively no neutrals, either due to reporters' own biases (consxious or unconscious) or because the viewers / readers project their own biases and shoot the messenger.

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Originally Posted by snooky

As I said, fair enough you can report from your political angle if you are honest about it but it's the deliberate lying that I abhor, no matter what party you represent.

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It's actually good to have reporting from different perspectives, it helps get a wider view on some issues..... Hate it when those reporting try to hide behind a neutral banner though, it almost becomes fake news (see the "once in a generation" SNP stuff and the "Scots don't have the DNA to make an intelligent choice" Tory stuff.... Both selectively quoted/reported to suit people's agenda's)

Anybody seen the Beeb's barrel-scraping trailer for Andrew Neill's prog (spoofing 007)?
Embarrassingly bad by any standards.

The BBC, Andrew Neil, and the Tories. All, one and the same really.

Maybe, Andrew, and Nick, can start a wee show up themselves. RT offer good rates. :greengrin

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2017/11/...lection-video/

https://twitter.com/iscotnews/status/936297517775548418

STV at it too

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

https://twitter.com/iscotnews/status/936297517775548418

STV at it too

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His question actually flagged up David Cowan's alliance (and/or his employer's) rather than hitting the target he was aiming at.
What a pathetic and unnecessary attempt at political point scoring.

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

https://twitter.com/iscotnews/status/936297517775548418

STV at it too

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It was really disrespectful - a guy like that, an expert in his field, expresses a professional opinion ... but that doesn't fit with the hysteria and his view is reduced to that? Incredible.

Couple of years ago, folk would say your paranoid if you mentioned the media is bent. People must be blind if they cannot admit at the very least, that the presentation of information is slanted and some politicians get a much easier ride than others.

I don't want cheerleading in the media but what we have just now is selling everyone short.

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Originally Posted by -Jonesy-

https://twitter.com/iscotnews/status/936297517775548418

STV at it too

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That is really odd. I can't recall hearing an interviewer ask a question like that before.

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Originally Posted by Mr Grieves

That is really odd. I can't recall hearing an interviewer ask a question like that before.

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It probably wasn't in the script given to them by the (insert political party here)

Bateman has produced a great piece on the latest news over the holiday period, and he should know, he was one of them back in the day. The hacks must take a skiing holiday and allow others to take over. You'll have to read the blog to get what I mean.:

https://t.co/z63BIjQ6sd

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

It probably wasn't in the script given to them by the (insert political party here)

Bateman has produced a great piece on the latest news over the holiday period, and he should know, he was one of them back in the day. The hacks must take a skiing holiday and allow others to take over. You'll have to read the blog to get what I mean.:

https://t.co/z63BIjQ6sd

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That is shameful. Personally think it is true also browsing newspapers stand in supermarket today kind of corroborates this IMO.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

That is shameful. Personally think it is true also browsing newspapers stand in supermarket today kind of corroborates this IMO.

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Will be interesting to see if
MORE THAN ONE IN TEN SCOTTISH CHILDREN FROM FAMILIES ‘ON THE FINANCIAL EDGE

Is in the papers tomorrow..

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

That is shameful. Personally think it is true also browsing newspapers stand in supermarket today kind of corroborates this IMO.

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Im a bit unclear what this is saying?

Is it saying that this is labour's media plan leaked (if so, i dont see the problem) or is it a list of stories that have been published (in which case i can see the problen)?

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

Im a bit unclear what this is saying?

Is it saying that this is labour's media plan leaked (if so, i dont see the problem) or is it a list of stories that have been published (in which case i can see the problen)?

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The latter really.

Stories provided by a political party and embargoed, to be published daily over the Christmas /new year period.
My comment above is the knee that's mean t to be scheduled for tomorrow. If you look at the link to Batemans piece, the full text of each of the stories over the past 2 weeks are included.

Save for a little editing, "job done" for the newspaper, and for Labour spreading a pr message without proper journalistic challenge.

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Originally Posted by Kavinho

The latter really.

Stories provided by a political party and embargoed, to be published daily over the Christmas /new year period.
My comment above is the knee that's mean t to be scheduled for tomorrow. If you look at the link to Batemans piece, the full text of each of the stories over the past 2 weeks are included.

Save for a little editing, "job done" for the newspaper, and for Labour spreading a pr message without proper journalistic challenge.

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So this was a labour media plan, and it has all been published as they requested by them?

I read the texts as being the written-up stories as provided by the labour party, not the published articles. That is stabdard practice, though - the print media has been completely hollowed out, and so will be grateful for steers from anyone.

But they cant just publish them verbatim, they will have to fact check, and they will have to take them to the Scottish Govt for a response etc and get quotes.

Im just not clear what the blog is accusing them of? Being really organised? I can assure you all political parties, and many lobbying organisations act in a similar way, as the blog itself makes clear.

Not on the bias but a damning account of the inequalities that exist at the BBC

http://carriegracie.com/news.html

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

Not on the bias but a damning account of the inequalities that exist at the BBC

http://carriegracie.com/news.html

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A lot of squirming going on as BBC breakfast news tries to report on it....

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

So this was a labour media plan, and it has all been published as they requested by them?

I read the texts as being the written-up stories as provided by the labour party, not the published articles. That is stabdard practice, though - the print media has been completely hollowed out, and so will be grateful for steers from anyone.

But they cant just publish them verbatim, they will have to fact check, and they will have to take them to the Scottish Govt for a response etc and get quotes.

Im just not clear what the blog is accusing them of? Being really organised? I can assure you all political parties, and many lobbying organisations act in a similar way, as the blog itself makes clear.

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It seems they take what they're getting as read, with a few minor tweeks.

The story on the Ambulances having 10,000 single person calls in the last 4 years was given to the BBC by the Tories. It was a FOI, received in August last year. As it was news, why would it be held back until the winter, when the NHS is under more strain. :hmmm:

The BBC have a lot to answer for in this one story. They should also remember when an FOI is requested, everyone can see when it has been requested, and answered.

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Originally Posted by Golden Fleece

Not on the bias but a damning account of the inequalities that exist at the BBC

http://carriegracie.com/news.html

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You'd think the bastion of Britishness would at least apply the laws of the land.

Bateman's follow up blog, after he's had it in the neck from all and sundry. Food for thought.

http://derekbateman.scot/2018/01/07/...like-a-kipper/

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

It seems they take what they're getting as read, with a few minor tweeks.

The story on the Ambulances having 10,000 single person calls in the last 4 years was given to the BBC by the Tories. It was a FOI, received in August last year. As it was news, why would it be held back until the winter, when the NHS is under more strain. :hmmm:

The BBC have a lot to answer for in this one story. They should also remember when an FOI is requested, everyone can see when it has been requested, and answered.

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I doubt that. When a news release is written however, there will nornally be a note for editor included that will detail the sources to make fact checking easy.

I dont know about specific cases, but presumably they held it over to suit their own internal agenda and timelines, and to maximise its effect. All political parties and the Scottish Gobt would do this, its why they have teams of media staffers. There is nothing suspicious about it, its normal behaviour and its certainly not a media conspiracy - the media cant report a story they dont have!

The blog appears to be lambasting labour for having a media plan, but unless someone can point to a strong correlation between these stories in the plan, and them appearing in print, i dont understand the point he is making.

Likewise, even if they do appear in the media, all that demonstrates is a lazy media. And newspapers are up front (generally) about their political bias, they are allowed to be. So really, the blogger would need to demonstrate that there is a strong correlation between this media plan and the BBC output, and that they ignored similar plans from other parties and from tge SG for there to be a bias, surely?

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy;[B

5269932I doubt that. When a news release is written however, there will nornally be a note for editor included that will detail the sources to make fact checking easy[/B].

I dont know about specific cases, but presumably they held it over to suit their own internal agenda and timelines, and to maximise its effect. All political parties and the Scottish Gobt would do this, its why they have teams of media staffers. There is nothing suspicious about it, its normal behaviour and its certainly not a media conspiracy - the media cant report a story they dont have!

The blog appears to be lambasting labour for having a media plan, but unless someone can point to a strong correlation between these stories in the plan, and them appearing in print, i dont understand the point he is making.

Likewise, even if they do appear in the media, all that demonstrates is a lazy media. And newspapers are up front (generally) about their political bias, they are allowed to be. So really, the blogger would need to demonstrate that there is a strong correlation between this media plan and the BBC output, and that they ignored similar plans from other parties and from tge SG for there to be a bias, surely?

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That's the whole point. Have you ever heard the beeb saying, "and now a press release from the Labour party"? They publish it as news, as if it happened yesterday, without details. As I've indicated in the ambulance story. Nothing in it was ever alluded to how it had come to pass, or the time-lapse. When they were pulled up about it, they changed the story online to add in the bits that they had originally omitted.

Bateman is having a go at the MSM for allowing themselves to be used by all parties, without putting in the effort to actually hold government, and it's opposition to account. Hence the reason the readership is on the wane, and more people are getting their news elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

That's the whole point. Have you ever heard the beeb saying, "and now a press release from the Labour party"? They publish it as news, as if it happened yesterday, without details. As I've indicated in the ambulance story. Nothing in it was ever alluded to how it had come to pass, or the time-lapse. When they were pulled up about it, they changed the story online to add in the bits that they had originally omitted.

Bateman is having a go at the MSM for allowing themselves to be used by all parties, without putting in the effort to actually hold government, and it's opposition to account. Hence the reason the readership is on the wane, and more people are getting their news elsewhere.

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So its not about media bias, just media laziness? In that case i agree, although its less laziness and more a vicious spiral of cuts, fewer resources, worse product equalling more cuts etc

I also agree the BBC should be held to higher standards - but equally, news is news, and if they havemt got a good story and one arrives in their inbox, why shouldn't they use it, although they should say when the figures came from and where they got the info.

I dont really get your indignation about the ambulance story - so the tories sat on it, so what? Its their story, its their right surely? Everyone will try to maximise a story's impact, and take into account wider ramifications, or to suit their own internal reasons (whatever they may be).

None of this is BBC bias however.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

That's the whole point. Have you ever heard the beeb saying, "and now a press release from the Labour party"? They publish it as news, as if it happened yesterday, without details. As I've indicated in the ambulance story. Nothing in it was ever alluded to how it had come to pass, or the time-lapse. When they were pulled up about it, they changed the story online to add in the bits that they had originally omitted.

Bateman is having a go at the MSM for allowing themselves to be used by all parties, without putting in the effort to actually hold government, and it's opposition to account. Hence the reason the readership is on the wane, and more people are getting their news elsewhere.

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And to your first point, no, but i have heard them reference "the figures, which came from a FOI request by the Scottish Labour Party said...."

They will also offer the SG or whoever the right of reply, so that they can counter.

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Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy

So its not about media bias, just media laziness? In that case i agree, although its less laziness and more a vicious spiral of cuts, fewer resources, worse product equalling more cuts etc

I also agree the BBC should be held to higher standards - but equally, news is news, and if they havemt got a good story and one arrives in their inbox, why shouldn't they use it, although they should say when the figures came from and where they got the info.

I dont really get your indignation about the ambulance story - so the tories sat on it, so what? Its their story, its their right surely? Everyone will try to maximise a story's impact, and take into account wider ramifications, or to suit their own internal reasons (whatever they may be).

None of this is BBC bias however.

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My indignation is not about the Tories placing the ambulance story at BBC HQ, it's the BBC deciding to run it without giving the full picture.

I suppose it depends on how many "stories" the BBC have run from each party. Going by their equal pay debacle, I'm not sure I'd trust them as far as I could throw them.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

My indignation is not about the Tories placing the ambulance story at BBC HQ, it's the BBC deciding to run it without giving the full picture.

I suppose it depends on how many "stories" the BBC have run from each party. Going by their equal pay debacle, I'm not sure I'd trust them as far as I could throw them.

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I dont think youd trust them either, but thats because you dont like them and are looking for reasons to justify that stance.

I would bet a good amount of money that the BBC run more stories from scottish govt news releases than any other political party. It wouldnt even surprise me if theuy ran more from the SG than all other parties combined.