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06-10-2010, 01:07 PM
ahibby

I don't know whether RP or Scott Lindsay are the men for the jobs but I do think there are things which are just not right behind the scenes. There were hints that RP didn't handle the JC situation to well and successive managers have failed despite keeping us in the top six (which is weird in itself).
06-10-2010, 01:11 PM
basehibby

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Originally Posted by 1875 NO 1

Kano is a season ticket holder at £1000 a pop. That entitles you to an opinion.

We are in a big mess I'd hate to see how it could get worse. A mess created by Mr Petrie

Don't you read the papers??? Have a look at Dundee - or Hearts and Rangers for that matter - to see just how much worse things could be (I know the huns are title holders but £50M + debts to HMRC is plenty of mess!).

Kano may have raised a valid point in that Petrie's managerial selections have sometimes been found wanting, but it's plain nonsense to say the club's in a mess - as you know, the club's on a firm financial footing with all infrastructure in place. The only mess right now is on the pitch - admittedly the whole point of the club is playing football so it's imperative that this mess is sorted out, but if your going to point the finger at Petrie for managerial appointments then at least acknowledge the excellent work done in other departments or risk not being taken seriously at all.
06-10-2010, 01:28 PM
keep the faith

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Originally Posted by matty_fairnie

That's nonsense. Collins walked after the club couldn't fund any more transfers. What was the outcome of Petrie's discussions with the players? Was Collins asked to tone it down, or were the players told to tow the line? I've read a lot of stuff about that period, but have never found an answer to that one.

Mixu exhausted his budget, and he was afforded a fair amount. What are we saying Petrie's input was in Mixu's time in charge, and how is that suggestion backed up?

Again, Yogi appeared to have divisions in his dressing room, how was this Petrie's fault, and where is the tangible evidence to show that he was the problem?

:agree: I know this ones been done to death ,but we seem to be back to the Collins player revolt again on this thread as a measure of Petrie. I still think its hugely blown out of preportion.

I work in emploment law and the natural process if you have a grievance with management is that you take it up with your manager (In that case it would have been JC). If the manager wont listen or act then the manager's manager is the next stop (Petrie). He has a legal requirement to listen. It was not mutiny but resolution. It is unfortunately the way things work now. The chances are Rod backed Collins, but in regards to him agreeing to meet the players - he would have been obliged!
06-10-2010, 01:29 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by keep the faith

:agree: I know this ones been done to death ,but we seem to be back to the Collins player revolt again on this thread as a measure of Petrie. I still think its hugely blown out of preportion.

I work in emploment law and the natural process if you have a grievance with management is that you take it up with your manager (In that case it would have been JC). If the manager wont listen or act then the manager's manager is the next stop (Petrie). He has a legal requirement to listen. It was not mutiny but resolution. It is unfortunately the way things work now. The chances are Rod backed Collins, but in regards to him agreeing to meet the players - he would have been obliged!

Far too sensible an answer. I remember raising that point at the time, but it's easy to ignore these things in favour of rolling out hyperbole about the situation.
06-10-2010, 01:52 PM
emmjayfox

"Kano is a season ticket holder at £1000 a pop."

i would want a seat in the dug out for that cash :greengrin
06-10-2010, 01:54 PM
MrSmith

Don't believe anyone in their right mind could blame Rod Petrie for this, maybe his choices of manager could have been less Hibs orientated? However we are in good shape and fit for purpose...and that in itself is a feat particularly in the footballing financial climate Hibs exist in.

As far as I recall, Rod Petrie was genuinely shocked when Collins walked. The look on his face and general demeanor was clear for all to see, shocked, perplexed, blindsided, unsure f what had occurred etc, etc.

Lets hope he is as diligent as he was when he got Mowbray.
06-10-2010, 02:00 PM
emmjayfox

At the time we signed Hughes as manager im pretty sure most hibs fans were delighted, hindsights a great thing.
06-10-2010, 02:00 PM
silverhibee

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Originally Posted by topcat!

Agree 100% - Rod Petrie had and still has an open door policy to the players, how can you expect someone to control the players and deal with them when all they do is head straight to Petries' office and welcomed with open arms!!

He made a huge mistake with John Collins and has made the same with John Hughes, John Hughes went to Rod Petrie after the debacle in the changing rooms at St Johnstone and asked for full control of the team including the punishments especially for the players who just either walked out of training or couldnt be bothered turning up on time. Rod Petrie refused point blank as he wanted to keep control. In my opinion this is wrong!! And this, from what i can gather was last straw for both parties.

Dont get me wrong the results just wasnt happening, but if you cant get the players to commit your on a losing battle staright away.

John Hughes is relieved its over and so is his family, i know for fact that his wife Bev was getting abuse in the street from so called 'Hibs Fans' and this in my opinion is disgusting.

15 months is no time for a manger, we should have weeded out the players who continually went behind his back and Rod should have told the players to piss off from his door and go see the manager!!!

I wish John all the best for his next appointment!!

So what you are saying is that RP doesn't bother if the players turn up late or not turn up at all at training, dont believe this, Yogi had full control of the squad and with what went on at EMs, the manger allowed things to happen at Hibs with the players that eventually backfired on him, in my eyes one of Yogi's biggest mistake's was bringing Stokes to Hibs, Stokes done as he pleased at Hibs, he treated Hibs like a door mat and the manager allowed it to happen, Stokes was the cause of major disruption in the changing room amonst players right up to his last game at St Mirren, the manager should have dropped him from the team last year and told him, you dont tow the line you wont play, simple as that, and RP would have to deal wth it, Yogi picked the team for every game, not Petrie.
What happened in the changing rooms at St Johnstone.:confused: ???
For what i know the last straw was the manager failed to get a result at St Johnstone and the board decicded that the managers time was up as being the manager of Hibernian FC.
06-10-2010, 02:03 PM
stu in nottingham

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Originally Posted by Beefster

Without dismissing the job that Rodders has done, that's just not true. Ignoring the fact that he was in charge as the debt was racked up, any decent CEO would have been able to sell the car park and the young players we developed.

I'm glad someone has remembered this.
06-10-2010, 02:09 PM
silverhibee

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I was no fan of Yogi but IF the part in bold is true then some people need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

Why would anyone give Yogi's wife abuse in the street, they must be yams,thats if what topcat is saying is the truth, i doubt it though. :wink:
06-10-2010, 02:35 PM
silverhibee

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Originally Posted by section43

Collins left 'cos he wasn't the boss

Mixu spoke in the Sun last month and said something similar about trying to work with his hands tied behind his back

Hughes - similar stories are coming out the woodwork

Time for Rod to retire from the playing side completely - he's screwing up every managerial appointment.

Time for more fans to take the rose-coloured specs off their eyes.

In everything to do with the football side of our business = Rod is not the solution

Our last 3 managers would be more likely to cite him as the problem

Nothing to do with results the three managers were getting at the time they left the club, yes i know JC won us a cup, but i think RP backed these managers with a good budget to bring in players, some good some pretty bad, they all knew what they were getting in to when they took over the job, JC signings were very poor, he didn't have a good eye for scouting players, maybe Petrie was right not to give him any more funds after seeing some of his signings on the park, Mixu brought in Deeks and Bamba good signings, results were poor in the end thats why he was removed from the club, Yogi, Stokes Miller Brown De Graff, all will be top earners at ER, obviously not Stokes now, but once again, in the end results were poor and the manager had to go, they can have no complaints,Petrie backed them all with budgets that at the time they were happy to accept.
Last chance saloon for Rod Petrie, he has to get the next manager right, and if that means pushing the boat out a little he has to go for it.
Get it wrong and the fans will turn on him, were not that fickle.
06-10-2010, 02:43 PM
silverhibee

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Originally Posted by matty_fairnie

That's nonsense. Collins walked after the club couldn't fund any more transfers. What was the outcome of Petrie's discussions with the players? Was Collins asked to tone it down, or were the players told to tow the line? I've read a lot of stuff about that period, but have never found an answer to that one.
Mixu exhausted his budget, and he was afforded a fair amount. What are we saying Petrie's input was in Mixu's time in charge, and how is that suggestion backed up?

Again, Yogi appeared to have divisions in his dressing room, how was this Petrie's fault, and where is the tangible evidence to show that he was the problem?

Petrie should never have agreed to the meeting in the first place Matty, but your right, no one seems to know the out come of meeting, as you say RP could have told them JC is the manager and you will get on with things while he is in charge.
I doubt wee will ever hear the truth.
06-10-2010, 02:46 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Petrie should never have agreed to the meeting in the first place Matty, but your right, no one seems to know the out come of meeting, as you say RP could have told them JC is the manager and you will get on with things while he is in charge.
I doubt wee will ever hear the truth.

He had to meet them, though. Perhaps the way it happened was wrong, but the players had raised concerns to Collins, got no joy, they then had only one option which was to go above his head (i.e. to Petrie).

As Collins' manager, Petrie had an obligation to hear the concerns. At the end of the day, there was a situation that needed resolved. It was in everyone's interests (Collins included) to get that resolution. Petrie, in listening to the players, was in a position to mediate between the two parties.
06-10-2010, 02:50 PM
silverhibee

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Originally Posted by keep the faith

:agree: I know this ones been done to death ,but we seem to be back to the Collins player revolt again on this thread as a measure of Petrie. I still think its hugely blown out of preportion.

I work in emploment law and the natural process if you have a grievance with management is that you take it up with your manager (In that case it would have been JC). If the manager wont listen or act then the manager's manager is the next stop (Petrie). He has a legal requirement to listen. It was not mutiny but resolution. It is unfortunately the way things work now. The chances are Rod backed Collins, but in regards to him agreeing to meet the players - he would have been obliged!

Not all the players though, maybe the captain and vice captain going to speak to Petrie, and the meeting should have taken place at the club not at Petries house.
06-10-2010, 06:33 PM
oregonhibby

I believe Broonie - what meeting!
06-10-2010, 06:43 PM
KiddA

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Originally Posted by Kaiser_Sauzee

"Rod Petrie should consider his future after successive failed managerial appointments"

Paul Kane has got way to much to say for himself and is like the Hibs version of Gary Mackay. Yes he played for Hibs but he is always in the media talking p#sh about something. He is also probably never paid for a ticket in his life to watch Hibs hence the similarities to Mackay.

Rod Petrie has done so much for our club so Paul stop talking p#sh because your mate got the sack. I take Paul Kanes comments with a pinch of salt and don't really care what he says as he is hardly a Hibs legend :rolleyes: Hibs fan yes like the rest of us :agree:
07-10-2010, 09:57 AM
Boris

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Originally Posted by KiddA

Paul Kane has got way to much to say for himself and is like the Hibs version of Gary Mackay. Yes he played for Hibs but he is always in the media talking p#sh about something. He is also probably never paid for a ticket in his life to watch Hibs hence the similarities to Mackay.

Rod Petrie has done so much for our club so Paul stop talking p#sh because your mate got the sack. I take Paul Kanes comments with a pinch of salt and don't really care what he says as he is hardly a Hibs legend :rolleyes: Hibs fan yes like the rest of us :agree:

Whether you agree or not with what Paul said is fair enough - everybody is entitled to their opinion. Paul, through contacts he has, was able to put his thoughts across in the media. Never claimed to be speaking for anybody but himself - just another supporter who cares deeply about his club. Your comments as highlighted in bold are way out of order though. I've no idea whether Gary Mackay pays for his tickets or not but I know for a fact that Paul has several season tickets of his own (used by himself & daughters & friends) - all bought & paid for. They are in the East Stand, adjacent to the seats held by the Ex-Players' Association (also bought & paid for by the way by the Association) which Paul works tirelessly for. Kano ain't no freeloader. And I'll not embarass him with any details but for what Kano did over wee MIck McGhee's funeral arrangements at the same time as he had his own family berievement he is a legend as a Hibee in my eyes & many more. Agree or disagree with what he said by all means but lets lay off the ill-informed, personal abuse.
07-10-2010, 10:07 AM
smurf

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Originally Posted by KiddA

Paul Kane has got way to much to say for himself and is like the Hibs version of Gary Mackay. Yes he played for Hibs but he is always in the media talking p#sh about something. He is also probably never paid for a ticket in his life to watch Hibs hence the similarities to Mackay.

Have a word with yourself. Lies. You should be ashamed.
07-10-2010, 10:10 AM
Edinburgh Green

Well said Boris.
07-10-2010, 10:20 AM
steviehibsleith

Boris

Good post Boris agree with you about Kano good guy pays for tickets and was just his view he gave in the interview.
07-10-2010, 11:13 AM
Phil MaGlass

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Originally Posted by KiddA

Paul Kane has got way to much to say for himself and is like the Hibs version of Gary Mackay. Yes he played for Hibs but he is always in the media talking p#sh about something. He is also probably never paid for a ticket in his life to watch Hibs hence the similarities to Mackay.

Rod Petrie has done so much for our club so Paul stop talking p#sh because your mate got the sack. I take Paul Kanes comments with a pinch of salt and don't really care what he says as he is hardly a Hibs legend :rolleyes: Hibs fan yes like the rest of us :agree:

Youre so out of order on this one its dazzling, saying he is basically freeloading is laughable he is one of the few who really bust a gut for Hibs (like Hughes) and is a player who wants only the best for the club, I dont think I have ever said this to anyone on the Hibsnet as its a cringeworthy saying, but, are you a YAM.
07-10-2010, 11:17 AM
Stevie Reid

I remember Jim Duffy took Kano on trial when we had absolutely no midfield in the relegation season, only to pass on him. The following season Kano went to Europe with St. Johnstone and we were in the first division.

Thanks again, Jim.
07-10-2010, 02:55 PM
KiddA

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Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass

Youre so out of order on this one its dazzling, saying he is basically freeloading is laughable he is one of the few who really bust a gut for Hibs (like Hughes) and is a player who wants only the best for the club, I dont think I have ever said this to anyone on the Hibsnet as its a cringeworthy saying, but, are you a YAM.

Oh that old chest nut am I a yam. That's fighting talk and I hate keyboard hardmen. Say what you like but I am pretty far from being a yam example I am getting married this month on the 22nd let's see if that rings any bells in your head.

Hope that clears everything up oh and another thing do you agree with his comments about Rod? As I think he is talking p#sh about him stepping down after everything he has done for our club which is a hell of a lot more than Paul Kane
07-10-2010, 03:17 PM
KiddA

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Originally Posted by Boris

Whether you agree or not with what Paul said is fair enough - everybody is entitled to their opinion. Paul, through contacts he has, was able to put his thoughts across in the media. Never claimed to be speaking for anybody but himself - just another supporter who cares deeply about his club. Your comments as highlighted in bold are way out of order though. I've no idea whether Gary Mackay pays for his tickets or not but I know for a fact that Paul has several season tickets of his own (used by himself & daughters & friends) - all bought & paid for. They are in the East Stand, adjacent to the seats held by the Ex-Players' Association (also bought & paid for by the way by the Association) which Paul works tirelessly for. Kano ain't no freeloader. And I'll not embarass him with any details but for what Kano did over wee MIck McGhee's funeral arrangements at the same time as he had his own family
berievement he is a legend as a Hibee in my eyes & many more. Agree or disagree with what he said by all means but lets lay off the ill-informed, personal abuse.

I'm sorry if I upset you in my comments about Kano I just don't like the way he comes across with his comments about Rod. I know he is a good Hibby like the rest of us but what Rod has done for the club has been second to none. Also after reading your other stuff on Kano I take back half of what I wrote. I just think some ex players in the media go way over the top sometimes.
07-10-2010, 03:28 PM
Niffy

Kano's still in the pet after Alex Miller didn't re-sign him.
I THINK it was at Geebsie's Testimonial dinner that he was following him about , and was told to clear off a few times.
07-10-2010, 03:39 PM
HibbyAndy

:singing: Kano Kano Kano Kano :singing:

Still remember that Heider at Pinkcastle :cool2:

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