We played away from home against a team who absolutely outplayed us last time out. I liked seeing the players be more confident on the ball and their movement. Time will tell as it always does but right now happy with the new management team.
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We played away from home against a team who absolutely outplayed us last time out. I liked seeing the players be more confident on the ball and their movement. Time will tell as it always does but right now happy with the new management team.
That's an absolutely staggering assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
If you REALLY can't see the difference in the last two performances then maybe watching football isn't really for you?
You could always just follow the game on here and save yourself a few quid.
Unless of course you're just at the windup??
We also already won 3 1 at Tannadice this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoReturns
He's our first millennial manager, this is the kind of slang people our age use. Sorry mate. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
Very early days but encouraged. It was a huge risk appointing him but he seems to be walking the walk. The biggest bit of encouragement for me us he got through his post match interview tonight without using the word super once. I think he will do for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
He managed it tonight :thumbsup: all is not lost.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
How many passes for our 1st goal today? I suspect about 20 to 30 before Cadden shot was blocked.
Even middle aged Scottish men working in financial services use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
The worlds gone to the dogs.
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Originally Posted by Diclonius
Do you say 'could of' and 'should of' as well?
I'd lock the lot of you up for bad grammar.
Can't see much of a style change but confidence seems to be building.
:aok:
Closing down quicker. Quicker passing. More movement/overlapping. Still play from the back but fewer long balls.
Really enjoyed watching us today on the TV.
Absolutely baffled people can't see the pretty blatant changes. Passing the ball about, 70%+ possession today at times.
Not meaning to be offensive, but it seems to me like night and day. And I was a fan of Ross, but surely everyone can see we're playing different football?
Won 3 on the bounce in the league and the 3 we have played are all poor…only on .net
Yup. And remember we were bottom of the form leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Libby Hibby
I know it’s very early, but I have a feeling that Maloney is going to turn out to be a very good manager indeed.
The way he carries himself with a calm positivity yet is always looking on how to improve reminds me a bit of Brendan Rogers. If he ends up half as good as him we’ve got an exciting couple of seasons ahead
Dodgy penalty and a disallowed goal yip good comparison 👍👍Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
Great start.
It’s clear that we are trying to press harder and dominate possession, and we’ve got our rewards in the first two games.
However, in both matches we’ve then sat deep the last 10–15 minutes and invited pressure, no doubt because we’ve tired.
Is this something we can fix with new players? Im not sure. I think it’s going to be a feature of our play because we can’t keep that intensity for 90 minutes.
However, if we score the goals and are then holding onto a lead then I will take that every week.
I think that’s where the conditioning coach comes in. If we can get to the point where we can sustain that over 90 minutes then we’re in a really good place.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I don’t think the intention is to sit deep, it’s just from playing every few days since mid November.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
However, when they did score it wasn’t panic stations, we went right up the park and scored.
IMO that’s just football and the standard of this level.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
We completely dominated the first half. They would have got a rollicking and made a sub which allowed them to press us higher.
It was obvious imo that they’d come flying out the traps second half but what did they create?
For me that’s where January will be important for Maloney. In both post match interviews he has said the importance of being braver, being better and playing out. To me he’ll be specifically meaning when the game is a bit tougher and the opposition press you, don’t panic and play the pass as that’s when the gaps open up.
I imagine he’ll recruit to suit that style which will hopefully help.
But in Scottish football teams will always have a lift after a rollicking from their manager imo.
I agree and amazing that someone like Drey Wright comes in and plays so well at pace - looking forward to getting a look at Joe Newell who is a baller upping the tempo and linking the play higher up the pitch and hoping we get a chance to see if Hallberg can fit into the system too. It may be that Ross's style didn't suit a number of players who may surprise us in the second half of the season. Think Gogic and the lad Scott will struggle though, they are careless with the ball and this style calls for quick thinking, control and movement. I see more goals too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
Its early days but this has a good feel about it for the rest of the season for me.
There have definitely been noticeable changes, its a good start, though we are benefiting at the moment from other teams not knowing exactly how we will set up, which is a big change - every opposition manager knew how we would play during the previous managers reign. Hopefully Shaun's teams never become so predictable.
We won by the same score at the same ground in the space of 3 months. That seems a pretty valid comparison to me. If you want to analyse it in detail however our dodgy pen last time was matched by our dodgy offside goal today and Dundee United were a much stronger team 3 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoReturns
I think this is where the argument about Ross came in.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
Ross got a very good 3-1 win there in the cup but after it there was a feeling we got very fortunate and despite a very good start, it wasn’t particularly enjoyable to watch as we got battered and had to withstand lots of heavy pressure.
Same result today but just a much more enjoyable game to watch IMO.
Some people only care about the end result, other people how we get there.
Time will tell. Todays performance was much more dominant all about opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by brog
The change in style is clear for all to see but I would also say that it has still to be put under any real pressure. Aberdeen and Utd were both very poor this week. First half today Utd let Doyle Hayes and Wright have as much room as they wanted. In the second half they got touch tight on them a bit more and it definitely showed. I doubt any of the top 3 will make that mistake v us. I really think we will need better in that position as we go forward.
This is the way I would like to see Hibs play but we will need a lot more creativity in the final third.
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Originally Posted by bingo70
I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't think we can compare today with our shocking home performance against United without also recognising our earlier win at Tannadice. FWIW I also enjoyed today much more, I hated our 2nd half in LC game. I suspect however that right now results are by far the priority, if we can do it with a bit style then that's a bonus.
I agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoReturns
I'm really enjoying watching us build a team with a clear style of play. You can clearly see what we're trying to implement and already it's getting more out of the players we have at our disposal.
Also, I think both games have been a prime example of how the best form of defence is actually to keep hold of the ball and be brave in your passing/ball retention. Utd and Aberdeen barely had a shot on target in 180 mins of football because we've done a great job of keeping a high line and pressing to hurry them into mistakes.
People can take a pessimistic view and say the opposition were poor but that's because we've played well. All with 2 or 3 training sessions maximum, it's a fantastic turnaround and I can't wait to see how Maloney has us playing in a month.
Under Jack Ross we were too predictable and too rigid and it was a difficult and a frustrating watch at times.Shaun wants to play at a higher tempo closing down and hunting in packs as was evident today. He does not seem to be scared to play a different formation to suit the opposition we are playing. Today's game showed that. Looking forward to the journey under him and the more entertaining brand of football he wants the team to play
The higher tempo is the key to going from a good team to a very good team, if we can continue to close teams down that wee bit quicker (certainly quicker than under Ross) then we deny them the time and space to hurt us, something I think which has cost us dear against pretty average side, St Johnstone and Ross County spring to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
Totally agree. Yes we're still keeping possession but the difference as you say is night and dayQuote:
Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
Already loving the style
How the pundits are still saying they are baffled by jack Ross departing is beyond me now
Players had stopped running for him yes
But nothing mentioned on we are already playing and dominating matches.
The football yesterday was superb. Keep it up hibs
I am confused by those that do not see a marked difference in how the team is playing.
The number of hopefully punts up the park from the back have been minimal.
Macey’s distribution by hand compared to his usual punt into touch.
The fact that the ball is on the ground and not what we have suffered before the change of management.
It is like chalk and cheese, in such a small time frame, to what I have been watching for the last 18 months, and long may it continue.
Maloney shamefully resorted to ‘we go again’ cliche on Hibs tv last night. Horrific chat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Originally Posted by GonzoReturns
Versus an offside goal and playing against ten men for the last 15 minutes
Swings and roundabouts. :wink:
I'm someone who though Ross got harshly treated
I can't see how anyone cant see the changes that have been brought into the team though
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Originally Posted by Callum_62
:agree:
We can argue all day about what Ross would have done and the quality of the opposition but it's clear to see that our style of play is very different (which is what this thread is discussing).
Sometimes things just need to change…JR did well for us. Would he have turned the slump around? I believe he wouldn’t but who knows. What is pretty evident is that SM has got us playing at a higher pace, higher up the pitch when we are with or without the ball.
Anyone who says there isn’t an improvement has either not witnessed many games under JR or is simply at it I’m afraid.
Exactly. Where I am. We will never know if Ross could have this team winning consistently so I reckon it’s actually pointless discussing it. We are certainly progressing under the new regime so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Felt a little sorry for Jack Ross but I wanted him out a few weeks previously.
It’s no coincidence that all the moans and groans from Hibs fans were the same as Sunderland previously. Boring, dull and uninspiring football.
Did I want to go the Jack Ross games - 50/50
Do I want to go the SM games - 100%
That’s the difference
So you’ve not noticedQuote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Pressing in 2/3 players
Wing backs higher and wider
Macey rarely goes long
We had double the amount of passes than the opposition yesterday
Not being rude at all
Personally don’t understand how anyone can’t see changes, that’s only in 1 week
:agree: I expected more of the same until the winter break and then regroup. We've now won three in a row (one under SDG) but seen much better football, six points against two teams who have both beaten us this season at some point, improved performances from some players including the much maligned Drey Wright (who was very good yesterday) and more width, more confidence on the ball, more attacking threat, more organised at the back, less long balls and more possession.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Drey Wright… who saw that one coming ? I’ll hold my hands up and say Wow…
Only stats but the difference between the 3-1 cup win and yesterday
3-1 cup win
https://i.ibb.co/vZr5zwz/Screenshot-...0c6b270fe7.jpg
Yesterday 3-1
https://i.ibb.co/R23K351/Screenshot-...0c6b270fe7.jpg
He looked like a player lacking in confidence and unclear in his role. He now has a manager that gives all the credit to the players and who is encouraging them to play and giving clear instructions. He may still have a future at the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
Early days but it looks like the players are very comfortable in the new way of playing, the crowd at the Aberdeen game was also really patient and at the moment we aren't conceding due to players winning the ball back from our defenders. Those were all things I thought might make this style of play difficult to implement but so far it has all went exactly to plan. The one thing that is very obvious, particularly yesterday, is that when you have so much of the ball you don't need to defend much. Our weakness was cross balls and often teams would waltz into our final third and get a cross in without a challenge(St Mirren equaliser). That will happen far less as we have the ball for such long periods. It took a moment of brilliance to get through our defence yesterday but generally we looked very assured.
Agreed that the style of play has obviously changed. We're much more likely to play the ball short and forward through the midfield. To have changed so much so quickly is pretty incredible, I'd say.
I had got to the stage under JR where I was thinking that maybe the players simply weren't good enough to play in the style that SM wants. And it seems that isn't the case at all. Which suggests that JR was in effect making the players worse, rather than improving them. I think in a few months we'll all be glad RG had the cohones to make the decision he did.
We should all take the lead from SM, and give all the players - such as Drey Wright - a clean slate, and a chance to show what they can do under a manager who seems capable of bringing out the best in them.
That first paragraph is a mighty leap!Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
I genuinely haven’t no, I’ve only been watching on tv though maybe it’s different if at the game. Not moaning either just haven’t seen much of a difference confidence aside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Even watching on TV yesterday there is such a noticeable difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
The formation is different before a ball is even kicked. We’ve won 3-1 up there twice this season but there was a big contrast in the way we dominated the ball yesterday in comparison to our last visit.
The last time we won 3-1 the game was done and dusted at half time having absolutely torn them apart. Yesterday was more controlled and measured and took the whole game to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Having rewatched it, there is a:
Different formation
Different intensity pressing in their half
Different intensity pressing in our half
Much less long diagonals from Macey and Porteous
Much more short passes from deep positions
Much more off the ball movement
I think those claiming not to have seen much difference are arguing a position for the sake of it.
Perhaps but why not be optimistic. The start has been excellent and players who looked liked they were struggling are fitting into a different style and looking pretty comfortableQuote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
In the cup game up there I didn’t think we were in control despite the result and remember that being a talking point at the time. Yesterday I didn’t think we were ever in any trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
I might be wrong but I think those who aren’t seeing a difference are those who were among the more critical of our decision to bin Ross. People might prefer the way a Ross team went about it, but there can’t be and argument about us looking to play differently, surely.
In the hibs tv highlights cadden races down the right and the hibs player at the back post is josh doig
Full back to full back, away from home!
Absolutely love that
It’s little things like that - which give the mind set to opposition players that if they score 1 we will score two and you better be fit
Honestly watched the full game on alba and it was a breath of fresh air
SHAUN MALONEYS GREEN N WHITE ARMY
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The 90+2
Things look much better because of the results, and the players maybe have a wee spring in their step, but we’re not really playing any differently to earlier in the season when we were also getting results.
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Why would anyone do that? Maybe they’re just calling it as they see it?
Not everyone has an agenda or is looking for an argument!!
Intent is the word I’d use to sum up what I’ve seen so far. I thought we lacked it under JR, with and without the ball. I always felt like we were reliant on an individual moment (mainly from Boyle) whereas we’re seeing others looking likely to chip in already just from getting in to good areas. Cadden had three efforts on goal yesterday and I think we’ll start to see him and Doig chip in more regularly. There was a similar example on Wednesday to the one you mention where Cadden stood the ball up and it was Doig who ended up headering it over the bar at the back post. That obviously isn’t something overly worthy of praise but it just shows that they’re being asked to get up the park and support a lot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Bang on about BoyleQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I actually think this was part of Ross downfall
If you remember Boyle came back from injury in Livingston game just as hecky was or just about given his jotters
Sadly Ross built a style of give it to Boyle at every opportunity, hence where this season teams worked it out as recents results shown
Love the mind set already
Two games but hibs fans can handle losing but for me it’s the manner in which you lose. I’d rather lose 4-2 going hell for leather rather than 1-0 feeling the game was no way back, again we saw that show too often with Ross.
Maloney won’t always get it right but there is clearly a plan with a style of play going to be implemented even further as the training sessions go deeper.
Happy days.
I don't think it was a coincidence that the best performance JR had in his last dozen games with us in the league (the semi final being an obvious and massive exception) was the game where Boyle was suspended. We were much less predictable and the other players had to do something different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Aye but apart from those things listed, what’s different?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Or maybe some people didn't want Maloney so will see what they want 👀Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I wasn't clambering for Ross to get sacked but the difference in style of play is night and day
The aqueductQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibeys
I have no idea. I suppose there is another possibility, which is that they have their eyes painted on :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Haha how many will get that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
We’ve got Porto at the back
Boyle in attack
Passing, moving , tempo the hibs are back
Brian will.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
If we're going to do a Maloney song then it has to be to the tune of "Only the lonely" by Roy Orbison.Quote:
Originally Posted by RossScott1991
Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.
Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.
Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.
V good 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Frow him to the floor and swike him, vewy woughly!Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
I don’t think people think we’re suddenly a brilliant team. What people are responding to is the posters who claim there isn’t anything noticeably different.. Putting aside whether you prefer a Maloney style or a Ross style, there can’t be any real debate that there is a different way of playing surely. Before you even consider what has happened in the game they’re set up differently for a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the people not seeing anything different were vocal about the sacking of Ross (or appointment of Maloney).
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Originally Posted by Shrekko
I'd have to say that I'm somewhere in the middle.
I don't think Maloney has suddenly turned us into world beaters and I found large parts of the Aberdeen game a bit boring, TBH, but I do recognise that the style of play (at least the intent) is very different.
What I would say is that the way he wants the team to play looks very encouraging and I'm looking forward to seeing more of that when the squad we currently have, and hopefully a couple of additions in January, have a lot more time to put it into practice.
The short passes and trying to play out from the back is something I like but it almost cost us a goal and put us under pressure when Dundee Utd were pushing us back after they scored. I hope it’s something we’re working hard on during the break because when we play teams like Celtic or the huns we don’t want to be losing the ball around our own box.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
533 to 243 completed passes and 65-35% possession says it all
It can only get better with some serious work at HTC and hopefully some new additions
The futures bright the futures green and white
As long as Hibs continue to win, Jack Ross will become a distant memory. I said on another thread that we have a good group of players who were punching below their weight. It's maybe just taken a new guy to come in and freshen it up a bit. I was really gutted it didn't work out for Ross but Hibs are the most important thing. So far so good. We can still challenge for 3rd this season. More than good enough.
I wasn’t particularly vocal about the sacking of JR - as it was clear for whatever reason he would never be accepted by some and therefore for the best. My gripe was the treatment of him by some fans from the start. I had people on the bus for the cup final telling me with a straight face he was worse than Butcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
FYI I am delighted with Maloney’s appointment - the sort of move that has worked well for us in the past and I like the coaching experience he has had.
Of course he will have his own ideas on tactics and has changed the team up both times. I’ve admitted already I don’t have this deep knowledge of modern tactics that others appear to have but to claim such an apparently
“night and day” change on such a small sample size is ridiculous.
The main criticism of JR was poor football. All I’ve said is that the 2 games haven’t been super exciting and the first one was God awful. So yes he will undoubtedly do things differently but we still don’t know if it’ll give us this incredible football everyone seems to think we’re entitled to.
I am 100 percent behind Maloney and hope he gives us what we all crave - I’m just not going to say it’s here after 2 games. Surely that’s fair?
I liked Jack Ross and I was very surprised when he was "relieved of his duties" because as far as I was concerned, it was a mistake. I'm hoping that it was me that was wrong, not Hibs but we'll have to wait to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
However, there was a definite difference in the way we set up and played in both games. I'm not saying that we were amazing, particularly because we didn't have much penetration up front, but there were marked differences in our approach.
This is the point I’m making - it’s obvious that every manager has a different approach. That’s a given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
People can write as many lists as they want about the differences but it’s only going to matter if they work and make us what people want us to be. Two games is too early to say.
All this stuff about what kind of “press” we use etc really doesn’t interest me. After 90 minutes of football you either enjoy it or you don’t. I’ve said we’ve only watched 2 games - 1 was awful, 1 was good. Too early to say that the changes are what’s going to work.
The first one was three days after a cup final defeat, we just found a way to win. I don’t think I’m an expert by any means, but there were two or three things that were noticeable within minutes of that game kicking off. We didn’t execute things particularly well but you could see he was asking them to do things differently. Thought we took that on a step yesterday and totally controlled the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
My biggest criticism of Ross was that we became too reliant on one player to score and create for us. That’s four goals we’ve scored so far under Maloney, four different scorers. Cadden and Doig, in particular, look like they have much more license to get in to the box.
There's no way that you couldent have noticed the huge improvement already over the Jack Ross "style". There's no chance you could have watched that and think we have played that type of football under Ross. Why do you think fans didnt like Jack Ross? Do you think fans would just choose to dislike him for no reason? People didnt like him because we were terrible to watch. And I admit im one who was losing a bit of interest when he was in charge. Im very happy with Maloney though and the way he is going to have us playing. So many things were different and soooooo much better than anything for a while performance wise. Thats the most ive enjoyed watching us since Lennon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
To be fair Boyler has created the first 3 goals under SM😀Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I’m all for everyone getting behind the team - I’m well into that, so long may it continue. I have a hunch we’re going to do well but I’m just not going to claim that it’s been like watching a different team yet. It’s too early.
I actually thought when Heckingbottom came in he initially got a lot more out of Lennon’s players and you could see a difference … and that went pear shaped.
Managers need to be given a reasonable time before we judge them well or badly.
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Originally Posted by Shrekko
Wow, some people really do know FA about football.
That’s fine, but I wish they would spare us their opinions. One of the problems with the world is that, because it’s now possible for almost anybody to publish their views, they think they have some validity.
I thought you could see the difference in style yesterday. Hibs played a high press and passed the ball a lot more. We tired a bit but it’s clear SM wants them to play a different way. But if he keeps winning most fans won’t bother.
The same could equally be levelled at those who are saying they see a dramatic change in our play though!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
I’m no expert on formations or tactics but I know what I enjoy watching. If results keep going the way they are then I’ll be delighted with Maloney no matter what the style of play. I wasn’t keen on his appointment.
There’s a lot of us out there, why not just accept some people’s views differ and that it’s a genuine take on things and not looking for a fight?
Peace and goodwill and all that :cb
Thomas Tuchel is the classic example when he took over from Lampard at Chelsea. Straightaway went to 3 at the back and more patient style, a few days after he arrived they drew 0-0 with Wolves with 79% possession, they didn’t concede for the first 5 games, went unbeaten in 11. They were a shower in the last days of Lampard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
Tuchel is a special case obsessive coach i grant you, we’ll be lucky if Maloney is half as talented, but you definitely CAN change things overnight.
That definitely wasn't me looking for a fight as you say goodwill and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
The players need to be capable of changing. Luckily we have decent players already.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Even the simple things like corners and set pieces have improved under Shaun.
No more long punts up the Field from the defence and the pressing is much more organized.
I think there have been some very obvious changes, but it’s not like we’re playing amazing fast, free flowing football yet which I think is where some people are getting confused about the points being put across.
Noticeable changes for me;
Formation - 3421 - Allows Boyle and Wright/Allan to drift into gaps between fullbacks and the centre half which makes them hard to pick up. They can also go in behind when Nisbet drops deep to offer a vocal point.
Wing backs - Much higher and wider when in possession this pins back the opposition and then creates space for others from drop in and get the ball off the defence. Wright dropped into the space on the left numerous times yesterday and was unmarked because of the space made by Doig. He could get on it and drive forward.
Passing - No aimless punts forward or rush to go in behind. Everything is short and sharp and when it is long it’s a directed long pass to isolate our wingers or wing backs. Campbell, Hanlon and Porteous were very good at this yesterday.
Defensively- Our back 3/5 are a lot tighter when out of possession which leaves smaller gaps to exploit. We also try and win it back alot higher.
One of the things about the formation is it allows for example Boyle to press the left back in possession of the ball, Nisbet to shut off the centre half and Wright tucks in on the deepest midfielder to close off that pass. Cadden is high on the winger and the rest of the midfield have a man each leaving the ball to either go long or a switch of play to the opposite full back where Wright and Boyle would switch roles.
Like I said we’re not playing “sexy” football, but I think it will come as this way of playing encourages it. I think we need new players for it to fully work though.
You can if you’re Teuchal and also happen to have a world class squad of players at your disposal yes. You’ve alluded to it yourself - we’re not comparing like for like.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I’m still going to stick with saying I’ve seen nothing dramatic…. but then again I don’t expect it yet so that is no criticism of the new boss.
We kind of took the mickey out of Jambos who believed they were the new Borrusia Dortmund within minutes of Daniel Stendel arriving. Just not getting carried away yet after one decent enough performance.
Those passing stats 👏👏Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.
None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.
Oh ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by mal
I'll be honest, I thought the link up play for all three goals was excellent and we were unlucky not to add a couple more. We dominated possession, our passing was crisp and accurate, we managed something like fourteen or fifteen attempts and we used the full width of the pitch to stretch them and create.Quote:
Originally Posted by mal
You're entitled to your opinion but I struggle to see where you're coming from. I thought we were comfortably the better and more dangerous team.
I don’t actually think there’s much change in the formation. It’s all down to tempo keeping shape better with the wing backs wide and players actually moving that bit sharper and faster. The movement is allowing the passing and not defaulting to defenders with no option but to shell it long to static players. When it is going long there’s movement so it’s not coming straight back at us. There’s a willingness to close down opponents quickly either in midfield or even the front guys. It’s very noticeable. Right now we can’t do it for the full 90 mins but Maloney alluded to that being the goal. That willingness to run behind defenders got us our second goal yesterday. We haven’t seen near enough of it so far this season with players either being defensive or playing all too safeQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
You sound gutted. :faf::faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by mal
The pass accuracy stat of 89% is incredible.
Lost for words. Genuinely.Quote:
Originally Posted by mal
You're bang on with this post mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
I'm amazed that anyone can honestly say there is little difference in style of play, but like you say it's probably people getting confused between "new style of play" and "amazing football".
No one is trying to say we are playing great stuff at the minute, but it's definitely a new way of playing and most importantly you can see the potential for it to be brilliant if done well. It's already better and it's been a few days so there is massive scope for this style to work well.