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https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-address-cup-disappointment-as-jack-ross-credited-for-meeting-four-out-of-five-targets-3257847
Hibs sporting director Graeme Mathie has offered a stout defence of manager Jack Ross and the team that secured the club’s first top three finish in 16 years and challenged in the latter stages of the cup competitions.
What were the targets???
Did you read the article?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
That's 4 and the 5th would have been to win a cup.Quote:
One, to have the team competing at the top end of the league, meaning European qualification, two, to bring in players who could add some value for the club, three, bring through young players from the academy and create value by developing them, then another thing was to play an attack-minded style. I know that has been questioned at times but if you look at the number of goals we have scored and chances we have created in games then we’ve played an attack-minded style.
Win a cupQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Reach a final
Reach a SC semi
Reach a LC semi
Finish top four
I'd imagine
Maybe one of those....Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
“One, to have the team competing at the top end of the league, meaning European qualification, two, to bring in players who could add some value for the club, three, bring through young players from the academy and create value by developing them, then another thing was to play an attack-minded style. I know that has been questioned at times but if you look at the number of goals we have scored and chances we have created in games then we’ve played an attack-minded style.
Mathie thinks we play an attack minded style???
Has anyone really said that third place last season wasn't a worthy achievement?Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Pointing out that this coming season is likely to be more challenging isn't undermining the improvement we saw in our league form. If people were saying we got third with one of the lowest points tallies of the past decade or so, then I could see your point.
As it stands most people seem to recognise that we earned the best of the rest last season, whilst acknowledging that the league will probably be more challenging for us this coming season. I think that's OK.
The stats say we did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
It’s not what i saw personally but maybe just shows that either we are wrong or stats can be misleading.
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
We must all be wrong then.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
3rd top scorers in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
It would be interesting to know the 5th one for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
I'm pretty sure that Hearts have only had the better of the H2H in 4 seasons out of the last 10. So it's hardly the case that they're regularly taking 8/9 points off us.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
https://www.londonhearts.com/scores/tea/hibernian.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
42 games since 2009-10 season, including cup games.
Hearts 19 wins, 13 draws, Hibs 10 wins. So we have less than a 25% win ratio v them. That will make next season more of a challenge for us.
what a horrible fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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Originally Posted by flash
You can be smart if you want, but only a fool would deny that there were fewer obstacles to third place in this league campaign than usual.
2019/2020 - where the season was cut short, was the first time in 6 attempts that Hearts had won more derbies in a season than we had.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
So I wouldn't consider it accurate that they "routinely take more points off us".
EDIT - albeit catching up on earlier posts, I would agree next season will be more challenging.
If somebody using the term ‘hibsed it’ actually causes hurt then football fans much be much thinner skinned than I thought. Anybody who says that to me gets something back in return, it’s nothing more than banter.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
How not accepting mediocrity manifests itself has still not been satisfactorily explained by anybody yet. Given that its thrown out pretty regularly, with the sub text being those who aren’t still raging after over a week are accepting sub standard performances then I would expect that some sort of positive action would be proposed. But apparently it means effectively giving up by no longer buying season tickets etc. That looks more like accepting mediocrity to me than the alternative of continuing to back the club to see us build on the firm foundations that have already been put in place. I’m under no illusions about how much work there remains to be done but I’d rather be building on third place and a cup final appearance than a bottom six finish.
As for being down several thousand season tickets from last season we have already sold over 9000 compared to last seasons 11000 which is truly remarkable in the Covid period.
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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
We played Dundee Utd 3 times in the league and got 7 points.
We also beat them 2-0 in a cup tie.
Would we have got those results against Hearts? On recent evidence, not likely.
Back on topic i think it would have been tougher to take if it wasn't during Covid and we were all there. Walked out of Hampden with 40k others when Livinston beat us in the final and to this day it's still the worst i've ever felt after a game despite the other disasters the club like to thow at us from time to time. Last season all felt a but surreal.
No chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
We will do very well to even get two wins v Hearts next season.
That's the spirit! As usual!Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Hearts will probably beat us twice next season before they play their bottom six fixtures. We are their everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
For two of those seasons we weren't even in the same league as them. The stats I quoted are based on the meetings between sides from the past ten seasons. They show we have a win ratio lower than 25% over that time. We could extrapolate that over the past 40 years and it won't look much better, indeed it's probably a lot worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
Hibs have only won more games v them in a season twice in the past ten years, sadly those were the two season when we had no league games and beat them in the cups. They have done so six times. Those are the hard stats, ****ing grim reading really.
What recent evidence would that be? With exception of St Johnstone and the top 2, we must have averaged 6 or 7 points against most teams. Why would we not be confident to get 6 or 7 points against Hearts?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
We've won our last 2 visits to Tynecastle. Under Robbie Neilson they played us 6 times (I think?) previously and won only once. Jack Ross has a 50% win rate in league derbies.
Think this comes down to a glass half full kinda view, which is fine. We finished 3rd by a 7 point margin though. If we drop a few more points to Hearts, so be it. Personally I would certainly fancy us to win the H2H over the season and finish above them.
That's what people forget. We didn't even scrape 3rd and if it wasn't for shooting ourselves in the foot against Motherwell and St Johnstone we'd have absolutely skooshed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
3 times. We were unbeaten 2012/13, winning one and drawing 3 in the league. Beating them in the Scottish Cup also.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
And Hearts have only won more games 4 times in the past 10 years. So it's pretty even.
Seasons ending 2011 to 2020
Exactly - and people wonder why we don't strut on to the park and over-run teams, yet any player that looks on here will learn how pish we are regardless of what the statistics say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
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Originally Posted by Since452
And if Aberdeen hadn’t collapsed? What then?
I’ve not forgotten the details, it’s all quite fresh in the mind thanks.
We had our barren spells too - what if we hadn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Originally Posted by Peevemor
Not you.
You would be hard pressed to find a more negative critique of Hibs last season on Kickback.
I'm not that bothered by the use of that term, although I do object to so called Hibs fans using it on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Are you sure about having sold 9000 season tickets already. I thought it c 7000?
I agree that we are building from a position of relative success. I would like to say a firm foundation, but I suspect that before the transfer window ends, we will see a significant turnover of players who contributed greatly to our third place finish last season.
Again speaking personally, I've never used the term "accepting/not accepting mediocrity". I don't really like it.
The reasons for buying or not buying season tickets are all about individual choice. Some can't afford it, others choose not to because they feel that they have better things to do with their money, albeit that they may contribute in other ways over the course of the season. I never bought a season ticket last year for a mixture of those two factors, but when I add up donations and purchase of TV viewing, it still added up to a decent wedge. I always admire the commitment of fellow fans who put their money in up front regardless of how good or otherwise the team has played.
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Originally Posted by flash
Is it aye?
Kickback is full of morons, who cares what they think.
I want Hibs to improve and maybe even fulfil our potential for once. Our failures at key moments last season became worryingly predictable and are worthy of discussion.
You can sweep it all under the carpet if you want, but if you don’t learn from your mistakes, how do you improve?
Many of the same posters on here parroting the ‘let’s move on, all is great’ line will be the same ones imploring us all to buy more tickets, buy into Hibs Supporters, etc.
Do you know the reason why the fanbase might be reluctant? Days like this season’s Scottish Cup Final. And the League Cup. And the delayed SC semi final.
You can talk about Ron’s plans for the club and the aim of competing at the top more consistently all you want, but the SC Final was the moment when it should have all come together. And it didn’t.
Looks like we pretty much agree on things. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
The club announced we had sold 9000 season tickets yesterday on Twitter.
Superb effort from all concerned. That's incredible backing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
:top marks
Why are some Hibs fans so offended when other Hibs fans say Hibsed it or use it as a term?
The term doesn't bother me at all and is quite apt at times.
I’ll tell you what, I admire your stamina, I couldn’t keep that level of anger going for more then a few minutes , let alone ten days. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Who is sweeping anything under the carpet? There might be a disagreement about whether the club has something oh you build on or not.... I think it has..... but every single one of us felt the same pain at the manner of the defeat when the final whistle went last week.
Again, who is saying it’s all great? Just because we aren’t all frothing at the mouth doesn’t mean we don’t share some concerns about the club we all love. It comes across as you thinking you care more then those you are pointing the finger at and I don’t think you really mean that.
You really don't help yourself sometimes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
This thread man :drunk:
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Originally Posted by marinello59
Nope that’s not my intention at all. It’s a familiar criticism of fans expressing negative opinion but I am not one to declare a result ‘unacceptable’ as if that somehow makes me a more passionate supporter.
However the title of this thread and many of the replies tells the other side of the story.
My view is that the SC Final was a really damaging result. Time will tell, but if we want to ‘get over it’ we need to see a different approach from this club.
As they say, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is a sign of madness.
Bored in the house with no one to argue with?!!Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Accepting mediocrity is simply an expression. You’re an intelligent guy, you don’t need anyone to explain it to you..
100%Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I think we can both agree that it was damaging though we are probably miles apart in how we see the extent of the damage done. We ain’t gonna bridge that divide. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
What I would ask you to consider is the special nature of the whole season just past. Football is a different game without fans present. You can argue that good pros should overcome that but the passion and adrenaline rush provided by having fans present was a huge miss. We saw some freakish results in one off matches in leagues all over Europe and the manner of our cup final loss certainly fell in to that bracket.
So yes, there are lessons to be learned but perhaps not the same lessons as in the pre-Covid era.
Peace. :greengrin
I’m married. I’m never stuck for anybody to argue with.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Does that include changing manager/head coach 13 times in 20 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Originally Posted by marinello59
Peace, yes, absolutely. We are all Hibs fans here (well, almost all :wink:) and we should be able to have civil discussions.
I’d love to dismiss the SC Final as a freakish result, but unfortunately a lot of Hibs fans saw the team sheet ahead of the game and made the same prediction: we will huff and puff to no discernible effect, St J will nick a goal, we won’t get back into it.
Which is exactly what happened.
I hate to say it, because it’s such a lazy cliche, but watching the Saints players after the game they just looked like they wanted it more?
Jack is obviously a competent manager and decent tactician. But can he inspire our players to dig deeper and find levels of performance that surprise even themselves? This is an unanswered question for now, but it can make all the difference between a ‘nearly’ team and a team that truly achieves its potential.
Self-flagellation is not a good look. Whether it's apt at times or not, last thing we need is for that term to be commonly adopted to describe pathetic capitulation in football and other sports and no Hibs fan should be using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
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Originally Posted by w pilton hibby
Nope.
We'd still be 3rd. We were the 3rd best side.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Fair question, but that level of inspiration wasn't even needed for a national Cup Final against St Johnstone. Just some .. any .. level of professional pride and effort from half the Hibs players could have made a difference. It was the lack of belief/energy/confidence/determination/drive that was so shocking and throws so many question marks over the future of a lot of these Hibs players.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Originally Posted by Onion
Legitimately, it’s a question for the manager too, because it’s his responsibility to get the players in the right frame of mind for any particular fixture.
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Originally Posted by Onion
JR said this about his half time talk "I posed the question at half time that if you are going to lose the game are you going to be prepared to do it dead on your feet." That reads to me like putting it into players minds they could lose and it isnt a comment id be going to the press with - but I agree with you about individual player pride / effort.
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Just to add to the point from earlier, JR has said on many occasions that the feeling around the club when he arrived was that they were happy to tick along winning one, drawing one and losing one.
That to me smacks of ‘accepting mediocrity’.
JR wants to change that, so it seems like he is in agreement with a lot of fans on here.
Finals come. And finals go.
Some we win. A lot we lose.
That’s football.
This latest disappointment is just part and parcel of being a Hibs fan.
I’ve only really been bothered by one final loss in my 60+ years.
2012.
Not because we lost, or how we lost. It was who we lost against that still sticks in the craw. Even then though, it was only a few days of personal raging that ensued.
We move on. There will be other finals in future. Then recycle to the top of this comment!
GGTTH
That performance is still pissing me off. Can take getting beat but it’s like they just didn’t try or care. I honestly think that result is bugging me more than any other Cup final defeat. Iv hardly read about or watched any football since. Should be used to it by now I know.
True. Was exchanging texts with mates and my son before kick off with a lot of concerns about that starting line up. Funnily enough did exactly the same before the EC final when the best coach in the world totally screwed up and you could see it coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Hibs manager and players let us down big time but of course we will get over it. This season was a huge opportunity to actually do what St Johnstone did and we would be talking about it for the next two decades. They blew it, bottled it, whatever...
And none of us will be talking about finishing 3rd two years from now. The only thing that you remember is winning trophies.
Who cares? Thats for them to try and work out. They probably collapsed partially because we were putting pressure on them. It's down to them to get their own house in order. Us battering them at Easter Road was basically the end for them. If we were scraping around mid table Aberdeen would have finished 3rd and McInnes would have still been in a job. Why not give Hibs some credit? You seem desperate not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Originally Posted by Since452
Total rubbish.
Why don’t you read what I write and respond to that?
Is it safe to come out yet :shocked: Since FT I've avoided all football reactions,interactions for 14 days, blind ignorance is bliss :greengrin
YawnQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
It is safe to come out only if you mention the performance on multiple threads over multiple days as some posters are.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by seanshow
For example: see the first post after this:thumbsup:
It’s very unfortunate for us to have the Classic Scottish Cup Finals being repeated at the moment
I have watched Falkirk v ICT and DU v St J
The ferocious pace of the STJ and DU match with both teams fully committed and Falkirks never say die attitude was a complete contrast to the lack lustre effort Hibs put in
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Originally Posted by ben johnson
The 2016 game is pretty good. Hard to question our effort that day. Or does that not fit the narrative?
Falkirk did say die, because they lost to 10 man Inverness.
Long long time. Still sick two weeks after. It was the manner of how we lost it. Toothless, didn’t show up
Think he's meaning the 2021 Scottish Cup Final and has a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Its been a very very weird year with covid. I'm over it. The better team (overall) lost. Merely adds to what has been a torrid time for all of us. 2016 was the real deal, no doubt about it. And we didn't have a crooked russian submariner bankrolling us with Lithuanian pension funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Hopefully two years from now we'll be talking about having finished third three years on the trot. If we get better at competing in Europe every year all the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazyhorse
Of course we want to win trophies but if the club isn't progressing then what would be the point? St Johnstone won them this year but will likely be nowhere next year on the back of it.
I want this club to be bigger than domestic trophies. Aiming higher and competing with better clubs.
You compete to win. Two trophies would mean a lot more than finishing third three time on the trot. Aberdeen were best of the rest for about five years, where’s that got them and what do they have to show for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilson
Got to agree with this. Cup wins have given me my greatest Hibees moments, nothing else has come close ( although 6-2 wasn’t too shoddy).Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Me too trophies any day. Back in 2016 we had endless debates about promotion v winning the cup. Winning the cup changed the complexion of the Club. We need to be competing in Europe and winning the odd cup, no mean feat I know. Cup wins live in the hearts and memories of fans forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Why is this thread even still here? Move on, we lost a final it’s sport it’s football it’s par for the course you win some you lose some we didn’t turn up and got what we deserved. Can we try start a bit of a fresh for the new season and get rid of the negative ***** it’s not good for your health 😉
I think there are some valid points on this thread about the feeling towards the club, more generally than just to do with the cup final.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
My health is absolutely fine but as far as Hibs go, this season has scunnered me. It’s not all down to Hibs, it’s partly down to not being there. The only way I will start fresh next season is if I’m able to get in to games. Without that, as I feel now, I don’t think I’ll give a **** (and I’m a home and away every week type of person).
Each to their own but can’t say I would ever not give a **** wether I’m there in person to watch Hibs or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
The whole social aspect of my life is built around going to watch Hibs. Not being able to do that completely changes how I feel. I didn’t enjoy this season whatsoever. Partly through not being there and partly because I didn’t particularly enjoy the football a fair bit of the time. As it stands now, I don’t really have any interest in kicking of another season in the way the current one has finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
I can understand that 100%. From the time when I was old enough to go to matches on my own until when I left Edinburgh (probably a 25 year period) there were only 2 or 3 matches at ER that I could have gone to but didn't. For most of that time the pub with mates before and/or after the match was a big part of the ocassion. I also went to plenty away matches, but those were obviously far less routine.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
For years now I've had to make do with watching Hibs via Hibs TV, so I'm obviously used to what many of you were experiencing for the first time, but I often thought about how I would have been affected had the Covid thing happened say 20 years ago when I was still in Edinburgh. I honestly would have been devastated - for other reasons in addition to the football, but missing matchdays would definitely have hit me hard.
In any case, we're hopefully seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and you should be able to get back to ER, etc. to shout on (or at) the lads. I'll get Cliff & Tam back to myself.
Chin up!
I disagree. If we had won two trophies this season then finished 7th and 9th in the next two seasons folk on here wouldn't be contenting themselves with having been trophy winners a couple of seasons ago. They would be spitting feathers because we're crap. In the same way winning the Scottish in 2016 doesn't comfort folk now when we're getting cuffed off Ross County.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
This season has been a disaster for Aberdeen and they finished 4th. 4th is a bad season for them. That and they consistently outbid us for our top targets and you're asking where being consistently third has gotten them?
If we're ever in a position where we're constantly third it stands us in better stead for the competitions you care about. It means we're a good team every season. I'd rather hibs be that than a one season wonder in a domestic cup.
Great post 👏 some sense at lastQuote:
Originally Posted by Wilson
Yes a sustained period of success would be great but if it doesn’t involve winning the competitions we are in it is quickly forgotten. You have every right to disagree but for me the only thing that really does matter is Hibs winning trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilson
You might say that was a negative defensive performance St J produced in the final but for me it was the perfect professional way to win a final. I would have been very happy to see Hibs do that.
Still don’t know what consistently finishing in the top four has got them. Are folk in Aberdeen desperate to watch them? Has it filled up their trophy cabinet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilson
Winning the cup in 2016 transformed our club. We were playing in front of crowds of 7k-8k at times in 2015-16. If we’d won the cup a fortnight ago we’d have been setting new records. Surely this season shows that simply doing well in the league doesn’t satisfy a lot of folk.
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Originally Posted by Wilson
You can disagree all you want but at the end of the day it’s all about glory and winning trophies and Hibs blew great chances to do that this season.
Aberdeen under McInnes did just what you describe above - but the fans got sick of him and he got emptied because, ultimately, all he had to show for it was that one League Cup trophy.
Finishing 3rd in the league is great, and it’s financially important, but compared to etching your name on a trophy it’s a pretty hollow accolade.
Maturity has certainly mellowed me over the years but that performance has really shifted even my normally pragmatic reaction to a defeat. This will probably linger with me far longer than other Hampden disappointments, if the nucleus of that team give Heart’s a good doing early next season we’ll kiss and make up😂
No it’s not. Some fans would rather have a cup win but a consistent league placing year after year is worth much more to our club.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I like this post and mindset. I was down about it but you are right, move on and let’s look forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Some fans? i suspect 99% of fans would prefer a cup win to a consistently high league finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Pleasing though it was to secure 3rd, it hardly made me think about celebrating with an emotional outpouring. In my adult life, we’ve won three cups and finished third three times. The impact is hardly comparable and I would say nearly all Hibs fans feel the same way as me.
As for what is worth more, are we talking financially? I doubt that fourth/ third place would bring in as much revenue as a cup win any way, but really......
Not sure about that. You only need to look at what the cup win did for season tickets the year after we won it etc. Consistently finishing 3rd or 4th wouldn’t have the same impact. As mentioned above, winning the cup this season would probably have seen us breaking records for the amount of season tickets soldQuote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
I think it’s an old fashioned view tbh. And I don’t think for a second that 99% of fans would rather have cup wins and finishing lower down in the league. The club would end up struggling. It’s like when some people say they’d happily be bottom half of the league as long as they win the derbies. It’s nonsense. Thankfully the club isn’t run like that or we’d end up like our neighbours.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
No, I think it would be more like 99.9 with you being the only dissenter. Who in their right mind would accept 3rd over a Scottish Cup, or even a League cup for that matter :confused:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Is it not a mixture of both which would be ideal? We're not going to win a cup every season but STs undoubtedly get a boost when we do. They also get a boost from regular good cup runs (like we're currently experiencing) with people looking to be guaranteed tickets.
On top of that, regular decent league placing should keep ST sales at a good level, although not quite as high as just after winning a (the) cup.
A cup win every 10 years while constantly finishing mid table or less in the league will see the cycle of attendances yo-yoing from one extreme to another (which is basically what happened from 1990-2016.
Last time we won something it transformed the club. And that coincided with us finishing third in the first division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
If the club were winning trophies they absolutely would not be struggling.
It’s not really like the comparison you make with winning derbies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
The chances are that any Hibs team winning cups will also be doing alright in the league. I’ll take more cups and I reckon so would every Hibs fans I know.
The chances are that would be wrong. Where were we when we last won a cup?Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
It's the cup wins that stick in the memory, simply because they don't come along very often.
After that it's the teams that play good football that we remember.
League placings come below those two. In ten years time people will recall season 20-21 for Covid and losing the final, not for finishing third.
Personally I'm greedy, and want us finishing third or fourth consistently because that means we've got a good team that qualifies for Europe and which improves our chances of winning a cup.
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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
The idea that consistently winning trophies but finishing lower in the league would see us struggle is laughable really.
Look at what happened when we last won the cup and where we were. Then look at Aberdeen.
Winning trophies is what it’s all about.
As it is though, if you’re consistently winning trophies then chances are you’re a better side than everyone else outside the OF. The same can’t really be said the other way around when you look at us, Hearts and Aberdeen’s pitiful trophy hauls.
There’s no real debating with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Over the last fifty yeas our average league position is seventh (6.83) and our finishes when we won cups were
1972/73 - 3rd, League Cup
1991/92 - 5th, League Cup
2006/07 - 6th, League Cup
2015/16 - 15th, Scottish Cup.
So the general trend is that we have a decent season in the league when we win a trophy, which makes sense as a struggling bottom six side is unlikely to have a good cup run. In 15/16 we were in a lower league, but were playing well so morale was good.
I’d definitely take a Cup win in a season over high league placing, but the argument that the high league placing are better for the club is surely indisputable?
Higher League placing tells you you’ve got a better team than most other sides, which in itself gives you a better chance of winning cups, as does the financial rewards that come with consistent high league placings.
Long term, if we want to be a side that wins trophies regularly, we need to be finishing high up the league on a consistent basis.
Yep. Totally get the glory of cup wins but that’s not the priority for Hibs as a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
What season would those at the club have preferred. Ours or St Johnstone’s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
How’s it indisputable? What would the club have benefitted more from? The season we had or the season St Johnstone had?Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
You’d be selling more season tickets, be entering a a better European competition if you’d had the latter. And rather than ‘having a better chance of winning cups’ you’d already have them in the bag.
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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Had we won the Scottish cup and the League cup in the same season it would quite rightly have been hailed our best ever season, we nearly did it as a championship club.
Aberdeen for years have consistently finished top 3 or 4 and won 1 league cup for their troubles.
LOL. Great thread.
anyone who knows me know i tend to go on a bit, especially when it comes to moaning about hibs failures.
while this was a huge kick in the teeth for the massive missed chance ( i honestly thought the covid treble was on prior to the hearts game )what's different for me is we have a new guy at the helm.
Let's see how he deals with this, i had hoped he would have sacked Ross just to show he won't accept such failures / lack of fight etc. (works for abramovic lol) but he hasn't so he must have a plan. He's shown resolve by removing "fans favourite" ms. dempster which was a bold move but was needed to move the club forward, already progress shown with sponsorship and better signings coming in.
i think if we had gone through this 3 game failure with Petrie and Dempster still there i would be feeling a lot worse, and wouldn't have any feeling of optimisim. Good to have an owner who states he is actually interested in football.
i hope he has said to Ross, we need to win something next year mate and / or show much better commitment / passion and flair as a team, if not your offski pretty quickly, in this game you can't suffer fools and quick decisions need to be made.
as for folk who keep bringing it up ALL THE TIME, yes they need to grow up and get on with it.
I did !