When she gets a bit carried away she does tend to blur her personal opinion with party policy. Don't think it's ever been anything other than a personal goal though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankhfc
Labour's front bench isn't good.
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When she gets a bit carried away she does tend to blur her personal opinion with party policy. Don't think it's ever been anything other than a personal goal though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankhfc
Labour's front bench isn't good.
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Hopefully the other progressive parties pick up the seats Labour will lose instead of the tories.
I would argue that the lack of social housing sets the market value for private rented properties. People will pay just about anything these days just so they can have the basic human right of a roof over their heads. Private landlords are taking full advantage of that desperation and a Conservative Government and their opposition to social housing and rent capping is allowing them to do so. If rent isn't rising in certain places, it's because they're already squeezing every penny they can out of the people living there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They won't though. Because it'll simply be split between those "progressive" parties and Labour, paving the way for more Tory MPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankhfc
A genuine concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Labour have been worse than useless on Brexit which was the number one issue for the last few years. We can only hope voters decide letting in a tory is too bitter a pill to swallow.
Chin up man. Fully five weeks to go, plenty of time for Johnson and Rees-Mogg to make (further) ****s of themselves in public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Lack of housing is correct. Doesn’t matter who owns it but I’m all for the council building more if they want to. To get prices to fall you either need to increase supply or suppress demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
As for your last sentence, it’s nonsense. When rent prices are stagnant it’s because population growth is stagnant or more houses are being built than are needed. It’s rarely the latter.
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Problem is, the more they make a mockery of themselves, the more "popular" they become. UK politics is very quickly turning into the US circus show.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
It’s former SNP councillor Elspeth Maclaughlan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
She was deselected at the last council elections (for very good reasons imo), and has been grinding an axe ever since. She ran as an Independent for the council elections, but has since got in tow with the Greens. I suspect she will also be the Greens candidate for the next Holyrood election, and then the council elections, until such time as she gets elected.
They said they’ll shut down private schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Shut them down, or move them to the State System.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
20% of the jews in the UK live in Barnet have a look at what's happened to Labour's vote there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Prices went up largely because of the low cost of borrowing including lending to buy-to-let landlords. Supply and demand is a factor as well but cheap money was the main driver. Read Toby Lloyd on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Same could be said for areas where there are next to no jewish population. Now all jewish people living in the UK are taking orders from the zionist apartheid Government in Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Nazis all but in name.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/05/brexi...72/?ito=social
With regards to housing, the current UK government certainly haven't gone out their way to help it seems......
None of pledged starter homes built, says watchdog -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50296672
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Jacob Rees-Mogg: I think I may have said the worst thing possible about Grenfell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Andrew Bridgen: Hold my sherry.
(David Schneider)
They're all ****ing nuts and have completely lost the plot. Amazingly though, they speak for a lot of people who are equally nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I will re-house all the Grenfell victims in three weeks. Theresa May.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
#stillwaiting
Hi Stevie. I discovered she was the candidate yesterday and to be honest I think the Perth branch has made a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
I don't think Pete wishart is a great mp but it's a straight forward snp or tory seat so I imagine the libdems and Labour voters will be voting tory again to try and oust wishart. Which means any indy supporters in Perth and North perthshire need to do the same and vote snp.
That was a ****** dumb policy. Nobody knew how it was supposed to work and hardly any local authorities put planning policies in place to allow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
The whole idea was ignored from day one. I can’t believe they consulted the industry about it. Cameron must have dreamt it up on the hoof.
Someone said today that it wasn’t official yet, and there was talk of emails coming in from Green Party members saying not to field a candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I guess they realise what is at stake and don’t fancy the idea of a Tory MP for the area.
Two quotes from two different sources ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
“The news article was premature and no decision has been made about a Green candidate standing.
Majority of Green members surveyed via email (so far) have indicated they do not want a candidate to stand against SNP”
“There is a very strong possibility that the Green candidate will not be standing in Perth. The membership are not happy. I’ll be able to tell you more tomorrow night. I also understand that the Brexit party have a candidate lined up.”
You know things are pretty ****ed up when you have Labour voters voting Tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Only it’s not really true is it? People change their vote from election to election. I’d wager that 99% of people who still identify as Labour voters will vote Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
If Pete Wishart can’t retain his seat (I think he will) it will be because the local electorate think he doesn’t best represent their views. The cries of foul at a rival party daring to stand a candidate against him are reminiscent of the arrogance and sense of entitlement that saw the once dominant Labour Party start to decay.
Well Billy that was real Keystone Kops stuff from the Tory defence! First Rees-Mogg gets caught in possession, then Budgen makes the situation worse running into his team mate.
That's right Richard, keep that up and even a weak attack like Labour are sure to find the goal eventually.
Many Labour voters I spoke to after the 2017 election were ****ing delighted the SNP had haemmoraged seats to the Tories, despite those seats actually keeping them in government.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
It looks like Johnson is going straight in to full on Trump mode comparing Corbyn to Stalin on the first day of official campaigning. I think we can forget about reasoned debate from him.
Kay Burley on Sky News fuming because senior Tory (sorry not sure who) refused to take the chair after being presented with a list of questions she wanted to ask him on camera. Apparently he's only 15 feet away from her in the studio but refuses to face the camera so she fires the questions at the empty chair. Although I really can't stand her (not sure if that makes me a wife beater or not) but doth my hat to her for her tenacity.
Don't think he's really got reasoned debate within him, has he? It's just endlessly repeated slogans, taunts, finger jabbing, Latin bon mots, loadypish really.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...114514432?s=21Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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The reply to that calling Burley left wing. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Decent, and as Lewis Goodall says, completely uneditedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
James Cleverly - if ever there was an argument against nominative determinism, he's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Listening to the radio this morning, the Tories are having an absolute disastrous day.[emoji23]
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This made me laugh:
https://twitter.com/cynical_bathtub/...24799926718464
Brilliant. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Can't argue with that. This is my landlordQuote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
https://corporatewatch.org/grainger-...ousing-crisis/
My rent would make an Eldinburgh residents eyes water
John McCdonnell last night on LBC about the right to buy for private tenants policy, "after consulting with a lot of people, particularly in my constituency, particularly a lot of the Asian community where they've said we do have another property we let out to family or to top up our pension and we feel disadvantaged with this, so I said OK we'll drop it, I understand that completely so we'll drop it".
A win for the middle classes? :greengrin
So Cleverly says he was in another interview and Sky say he was 15ft away. Somebody is clearly lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
:faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
It couldn't be going much worse for Johnson yet the latest prediction gives him a 90 seat majority.
Incredible.
It's almost like they're trying to lose ground because they know the economic **** is about to skelp the fan....Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1191741665544953861
"Laura Pidcock: “We recognise why people voted Leave. We recognise why people voted Remain. We are not the party of either. We are the party of both."
Labour is going to try to cover both bases and in doing so leave them both wide open.
In their defence, it's only not worked for 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
It would appear Boris Johnson has been receiving hush hush money from Russian doners.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...oK9Vq6EEQZo0i0
Yes, the same man who just compared Corbyn's policy to properly tax billionaires to Stalinism.
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Originally Posted by CloudSquall
I'll be honest here, I saw their Brexit policy as being difficult to sell to the electorate but Corbyn has actually done quite a good job with it so far. If they can get a bit of momentum going whilst the Tories are still stuck on the start line they might do a bit better than many of us have been predicting.
The whole thing done in 6 months line works. Gets remain voters onside with PV and keeps those just wanting it over with quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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:agree: The trying to accommodate both sides might be received quite well by a lot of people. If that sticks and Johnson is still piffling on with his WW2 metaphors, Tory leads might dwindle as election day approaches...Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It's not that hard to construct soundbites around:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
"we're the only party that trusts the people"
I think fptp squeeze on the Libs and Greens is inevitable and that might give Lab a bit of momentum (no pun intended) as the polls start to move.
Being said on the BBC that there is still plenty of time left until polling day and that the tories will try and move things on as quickly as possible.
But it's not parties that move these things on, it's the media. So surely it's the medias job to ensure that these things don't simply move on? :confused:
Given the lack of outrage on this, I assume Burley was lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Their Brexit policy is actually perfectly plausible, sensible and reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I'm just not sure it really cuts it in a black/white, in/out populist era.
Brexit is emotive and it has managed to get England (where the vast majority of the UK's population live) really wound up. I'll take a bit of convincing that they wouldn't have been better of picking a side early on, sticking with it and rolling with a few punches along the way. They've looked indecisive and that is never good.
Libdems not standing in Beaconsfield to allow Dominic Grieves a clear run, also not standing in the Isle of Wight to help the Greens.
So much for Jo Swinson becoming the next prime minister! Throwing away a couple of seats to the opposition parties.
They are def not throwing away seats. The greens will be returning the favour and they would never have won those seats anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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It would be easier to arrange a mass amnesia campaign and pretend the whole thing never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Only if leavers believe that they would win the referendum. If they lost then we start all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Don't think the Brexit Party are getting the result they were hoping for!
Brexit Party Manchester (@BrexitParty_MCR) tweeted at 4:31 pm on Mon, Nov 04, 2019:
What do you chose? RT for bigger sample size.
(https://twitter.com/BrexitParty_MCR/...132393478?s=09)
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Labour would have been far better off sticking to a settled decisive position on Brexit. Their odds have lengthened again after last weeks shortening in. I don't think their fence sitting has been at all convincing. They'd have been far better off following the Lib Dems on an outright remain policy while vocally making the case for it. Instead they've boxed themselves into a voiceless corner on the big issue with their neutral positioning.
Just one problem. The Lib Dems rhetoric over Brexit isn't remotely convincing either. That's what happens with a weak leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankhfc
Tom Watson stands down!!
Guys a prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Anyone else catch this channel 4 report earlier? :greengrin
https://twitter.com/i/status/1192183785829347329
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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
After Ross Thompson stepped down this ****'s taken No.1 spot on the list of SNP Gains I'll most enjoy.
BJ going full Trump now. Did anyone just see that rally he did tonight with all the people behind him waiving banners, it was like an American presidential rally.
Rent a crowd surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Most tory voters are far too busy working hard to be dabbling in some good old patriotic nationalistic flag waving......
Most of them are also too old to stand that long without pissing themselves. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Quote:
Originally Posted by fife-hibee
ftfy 😉
Are we really going to elect a PM who thinks you cook a microwave meal at gas mark 4?
I'm hearing that the tories are to step aside in East Dumbartonshire to help out their ally Jo Swinson. :hmmm:
That will help if they need a coalition partner again. I can’t believe anyone is fooled by her, she is a Tory and always will be. The only reason she isn’t a Tory mp is that she’s an opportunist who came into politics when the Tory party were unelectable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I’m thinking you need cotton buds then because it is East Dunbartonshire, not East Dumbartonshire :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
I can fully see why the SNP would want to target this seat but their vote share there went down 10%at the last GE with a swing from SNP to LD of 7.2%. It is certainly a heavy EU Remain area.
Yip. I don’t think any of the Lib Dem seats in Scotland are on the SNP target list. Outside chance maybe Edinburgh West but the fact Lib Dem’s are solid remain and are up in the polls suggests they will hang to what they have. Top targets are all Labour and Tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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Oh come on mate your better, much better than that in fact. Picking up people for spelling or grammar is poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Shetland has long been a target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Come on yourself. It’s not really about spelling, it is about glib lines that reflect a lack of care and misunderstanding of what is being represented. The people of West Duns and East Duns are likely bored to death with people calling them Dumbartonshire. They aren’t called Dumbartonshire. Sure enough if Boris or Jacob was coming out with something like that, there would be a ton of criticism from the usual suspects on here, saying it was insult to the people of Scotland.......Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
It doesn’t deflect from the point that was being made though. If you know what the poster meant is it not bad patter to pull them up on a minor spelling mistake? I really enjoy the holy ground forum and as someone who takes a keen interest in politics, but maybe doesn’t have the intellectual know how of many people on here I like to think that I can still make a contribution. I do realise that you have a bit of a disagreement on most topics with the poster you quoted, but to pull them up for this sort of thing can discourage other less confident people from posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
In fairness I pulled the poster up about a ‘throw it out there’, ‘I heard.....’ completely unsubstantiated comment about the Tories in East Duns. And I posted detail of what had happened there in 2017, which was the gist of the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
It is mildly amusing that you are defending a poster who has been accused by more than one of the rest of us, of blatant sexism and targeting women MPs for insults and abuse. But not defending the poster against that, just defending them about not knowing what constituency they are talking about. Priorities eh?
I’d like it to be made 100% clear I wasn’t defending anyone. I was making a general point about pulling people up for spelling or grammar mistakes. I said in my initial post that you’re better than that, and by that I meant you are more than capable of getting your point of view across without resorting to picking people up on their grammar. When you pull someone up who normally has good grammar for a small mistake it means very little but it sometimes discourages people like me who maybe don’t have the best grammar, but would still like to contribute to the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
MA and Fife have a bit of a “thing” going.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
I like MA and don’t think he’d pull anyone else up for a minor spelling mistake that many people would make.
The pair of them dish it out to each other and seem ok at taking it in return.
Get in between them at your peril..........
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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
OK. My turn, East and West Duns are 2 halves of a town in Berwickshire and is held by John Lamont for the Conservatives.
😉👍
I feel truly sorry for the satirists, this election is threatening their livelihoods.
When someone with the politics of Andrew Neil sees the Tories as an open goal and gets one of their MPs to say he 'doesn't know' if Jeremy Corbyn would have wealthy people shot then you know we are through the looking glass.
It's started early. Apparently, I'm considering voting for a Stalinist anti-Semite. Gosh. Well, at least he should get the trains running on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
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Wasn't that Mussolini's thing? Stalin was more tractors and light bulbs, no? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Not sure Mussolini did get the trains running in time. It was just that everyone was afraid to complain for fear of being shot!Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...52&oe=5E519919
quite a big turnout :shocked:
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...14&oe=5E565D0D
then again :hilarious
The weird thing about these huddles-in-a-hangar is that the broadcasters all go along with them unquestioningly. It's bizarre. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
It’s how they maintain access. It’s the same in football. Most sports journalism here is just reporters telling the fans what the club want them to hear. No different in politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Difference is. Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg would do it intentionally. Politicians that are prepared to blame victims of a burning building for listening to the government funded fire service personnel should give you a good insight into their mental state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Not surprised to see you talking about them as if they're somehow the victims though.
I swear, that party is nothing more than rent-a-crowds with a very compliant media to make them appear more popular than they really are. We see this example time and time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
BBC lunchtime news actually took the figures that John McDonnell said that Labour would spend if elected and broke them down to how long the extra would run the NHS for. I don't think I've ever seen a broadcaster ever tear apart a speech so fully before. I wonder what they will say about the tory lie about building 30 'new' hospitals?
I saw a ‘fact check’ they ran on Boris yesterday. He didn’t come out of it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
40? If they're saying 30 now, at least they're getting closer to the handful of refurbs they're actually doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Didn't Kinnock try something like that in 1992 and it spectacularly ****ed up?Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
A bit like the tens of thousands of affordable homes to be built there in reality there has not been one brick laid. Johnston is a liar and a Putin spy - he even has a Russian name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
Yes, he did a cringe-fest in an arena, Sheffield I think. It was a real full-house crowd though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
I saw a ‘fact check’ they ran on Boris yesterday. He didn’t come out of it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns