If they had something about them they’d think “I’ll show you”, instead they got anxious. All of them as well. Proves again that we don’t have a strong leader on the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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If they had something about them they’d think “I’ll show you”, instead they got anxious. All of them as well. Proves again that we don’t have a strong leader on the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
No one saying its the fans fault. They are saying It makes a bad situation worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Other people ignore this, getting all sarcastic and keep repeating 'you're saying it's all the fans fault'.
Repeat to fade.
What research? So rather than maybe say I will show them all players **** it and can't take it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
If he’s that good he should be able to play anywhere. Not our best playerQuote:
Originally Posted by BH Hibs
Again, it's nothing to do with 'having something about them' or not. EVERYONE performs worse under critical negative environments. Its a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhatter
100% however the booing IMO had FA to do with score.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhatter
All research.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Trips
I don't think it is a FACT, as everyone reacts to things differently so don't see how it's a FACT at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
What such research? OK all our players have the same mind and the research you mention means everyone of our players will not play as well if booing. OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Interesting if the atmosphere was positive yet we have played ***** in past. Crap happens you can look outside the pitch all you like we have been pumped when good atmosphere and won when support quiet. We win or lose by the managers set up and the performance of the players. Anything else is an excuse.
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Originally Posted by ColintonHibs
He is and you you are in a small minority of Hibs fans if you think he is not!!
I agree but the performance didn’t have a noticeable decline after the boos, I think the players were garbage from the first whistle. Fans weren’t anxious from the start. The players struggling to play football caused fans to become extremely anxious because we’ve just paid out on STs and this looks like it’s going to be a long painful season. I say again, I’d prefer to have lost today if our performance was good. However, instead we got outplayed by St Johnstone and tbh were the fortunate team to get a draw. Jackson made two excellent blocks that were goal bound and Marciano could have seen red. St Johnstone had more chances, they also had better chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I would quite frankly be more concerned about the setup and performance this will be the major and always will be in how many points we get in a match.
OK so let's all agree tell everyone next match no matter there is a no booing policy. Watch us skelp opposition.
Sadly for him hes now on borrowed time...hes probably realistically got till the derby in Sept at home...if results and performances dont pick up by then (and I've now got no confidence to believe they will) I reckon hes a goner by the end of Sept. When a manager loses the fans this early in a season...rightly or wrongly it will only ever end one way. 2k missing today off our average attendance the last 2 seasons and its gonna get worse under HeckyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
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What was the question he was answering?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
It doesnt matter if you think it's a fact or not. It doesn't change the fact that it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Trips
More rational than the sub itself. And the position the player subbed was playing in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
It's worrying to have booing at such an early stage; it feels like Hecky is on the verge of losing the support and needs to improve us quickly.
It was really weird.
I felt the first goal was hardly celebrated.
Then giving Danny swanson a better reception onto the pitch than daryl Horgan?
Also noticed the east was almost empty by the time the equaliser went in.
Not good.
I'd say he has already lost a fairly large percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
It doesn't change the fact its not. As stated everyone is different and it's not a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/07/mauricio-pochettino-responds-to-spurs-fans-for-booing-his-decisions-in-psv-win-8112591/?
Can’t blame people. Fans are telling fans to be patient and stop being bedwetters etc. while people can see what is coming. At the same time we have been taken over by an unknown entity and pretty much know nothing about his plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onceinawhile
Fans are criticising fans for booing as they don’t feel it represents the true sense of a supporter. I don’t think I’m the only one that feels the club treat us more as consumers than supporters at the moment. There was a 4 year spell when it felt rewarding to be a Hibs fan regardless of results. We knew the type of football we were getting and we had players that visibly gave their all and entertained.
We’re all waiting patiently to hear whether Ron is an asset stripper and we’re all waiting to see a team that entertains. After all, we are a football club first and I think we’ve lost our way on that front tbh. Think they have long term plans that rely on fans but they haven’t fully appreciated how fast our attendances will drop if they don’t keep a good team on the park. Picture of Leeann shows a concerned individual tbh.
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Originally Posted by Joe Baker2
Like it or not, PR is part of the manager’s job and Hecky is not doing himself any favours.
Fans are anxious that the new team doesn’t seem to be showing the qualities that Hecky has promised. He doesn’t seem to get that at all.
No need for you to apologise for booing. ER is our theatre and we are allowed to play our part.
Discussing the booing detracts from the FACTS, We failed to win because manager and players didn't do well enough, the booing discussion would be better served discussing team selection or performance which are the actual reason we drew.
It was the article by David Hardie in the Evening NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
"you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time".
I've not blamed anyone, but I just found it odd. Horgan scored 2 v a team in maroon at Tynecastle, swanson managed it at Preston field.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhatter
When was this four year spell???
Hibs fans booing their own team?
Not Hibs fans in my book. Bloody disappointing performance and result but if we’d held on for 3 points, all would be fine.
Can’t be arsed with all these so called fans who behave like spoiled brats when things don’t go their way
All would not have been fine if we'd held out for a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day In Time
But you crack on with that ***** if you like WUM.
I just seen the interview with heck on hibstv and the tone or words does not have him having a go at the support - there is enough reason for me wanting him to go - his negative football that encourages teams to constantly come on to us mainly but it would not be fair to say he did that in any way IMO (Ok, it could be another interview but some of what is said is v similar to the article). He did stick up for his decision and said they were offside for the last goal. My main problem with him is he lies,he said at the beginning we would be always pressing teams high up the park and that is blatantly not true and if it is rangers or celtic then forget it, they will invariably be given a goal start before we try to go at them.
It’s disgusting. I don’t mind applauding a former player as he goes off. I did when Liam Craig went off. But Swanson’s introduction gave me the bokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Onceinawhile
He did nothing in his time at the club
Never read so much **** on here and that is saying somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by One Day In Time
Stubbs and Lennon. For different reasons. While a lot of it was in the Championship, the one common thing throughout these years was a strong understanding of what the club were trying to achieve. Before Leeann joined we were inconsistent, as we are now, but we had lack of trust in Rod and Farmer. Leeann came in and the initial period felt like a healing period, Stubbs added to that as he spoke well and seemed a really likeable guy, we had heroes on the park. We played reasonably good football but lacked cutting edge. We won the cup. Stubbs leaves but we recruit Lennon who was a big name. We get promotion with relative ease and have a great first season back up. We ended up being a bit of an arrogant team, gung-ho sometimes but had things like the 5-5 game vs Rangers to enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onceinawhile
This was a rewarding period, we could see the club trying to right some wrongs. Without saying any words the fans knew what was happening and what the priorities were. That’s gone now, especially with Ron taking over. I don’t have a clue what the club’s ambitions are, what our footballing philosophies are, nothing. It’s like going back to Rod and Farmer. Keep paying to come along, we’ve got big plans (buildings and infrastructure) or executive stuff but we’ll only tell you when it gets to that stage. All the while, please watch a shocking standard of football every week. Budgets haven’t changed...
Our football club has lost its way in my opinion. I think in some regards we’ve forgotten the key thing is to have a successful team now. Not planning for one in 30 years. Need kids growing up supporting Hibs and that won’t happen if nobody is going to the games...Chamber of Commerce and all that. All I’m bothered with is what’s going on at ER, get that right ffs.
WUM? Is that the best you can do when you don’t agree with what someone’s posted? Debate the post but don’t respond like a big bairn. We’d be sitting in third position tonight and that would do me just fineQuote:
Originally Posted by brianmc
Never read such a ****ty response to a post when the whole point of a football forum is to stimulate debate and discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by andybev1
Me too Danny did hee haw for HibsQuote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
People do realise the club existed before Stubbs and Lennon? In recent times we've had a superb midfield now we don't and it's affecting both ends. Not saying things are perfect or people shouldn't ask for better but booing the team? Points will determine what happens, giving players/management peters serves no purpose.
Heckingbottom can blame the fans all he likes. They weren’t to blame for his team getting utterly dominated by St Johnstone at home for 45 minutes.
I wanted him to be given a chance. I’ve seen all of our league games and we have been ranging from average to atrocious. If he doesn’t pick up results in the next two he’ll be struggling massively.
I saw it, it doesn’t say what he was asked though - it makes a difference if you know the context of the response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
Some supporters want Scott Allan to play every minute of every game this season. It makes complete sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
Did he blame the fans? The rest...i won't bother withQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Yes. He blatantly states the anxiousness from the stands affected the players performance. I’m sorry but the players should be more than capable of playing at Easter Road in front of an expectant crowd. Instead they crumbled and we got dominated by ****ing St Johnstone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Estupendo
Yes, said the anxiety from the stands transferred to the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estupendo
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Why oh why do hibs players have emotions. This wouldn’t have happened under bOrN wInNeR Neil Lennon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Neil Lennon is a dreadful manager. I’ve not once mentioned him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
Fact is, Heckingbottom is struggling and starting to blame the fans for his teams failings.
The fans didn’t helpQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
:agree: It never starts with the fans - reaction from the stands is always in relation to what is happening on the pitch. Not enough strong characters in the side to drive the side on, and it’s always the easy cop out to blame the supporters in deflection of a teams frailties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
What a heartless ****. What a terrible thing to say. Obvious to any watcher and 100% accurate, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
he didnt help the fans to help him, its a two way street.........history shows it;Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
bad managers = boos, unsatisfied fans,
good managers = songs, and support.
under stubbs we was not winning every week, we failed at promotion twice ffs, yet the fans where generally happy because they seen some positives, liked the vibes he gave off and the things he said.
The fans cannot in any way be blamed for us getting hounded by St Johnstone at home. Our midfield is powderpuff as **** and we are leaking goals. Heckingbottom is deflecting from another rancid performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
Is he not just saying that the players need to be able to cope with the pressure better? I read it more as a comment on the players rather than the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
His comments are actually a bit cowardly IMO.
Take some responsibility.
The fans are not to blame. The fans over the past few seasons have been awesome and have produced some of the best atmospheres I’ve ever seen at Easter Road and Im going back a while. The problem is the awful football, tactics, momentum and signings of an utterly uninspiring manager who is taking us backwards. Its categorically NOT the long suffering fans fault and it’s infuriating that folk push this rubbish out. We pay year after year good money to follow Hibs desperate for success, it is not now or ever has been the fault of the fans when the club fail to deliver with record crowds and ST holders. Total and utter nonsense to blame the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
You don't need to apologies. Which interview was this? The Hibs supporters should obviously support the Hibs team and put pressure on the opposition. Anything else would be bizarre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Can we be awesome when not winning the Scottish Cup, winning a league or qualifying for Europe? Definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Emerald
The team was playing pish long before the fans turned, and the team was playing pish because of the way the manager set them up. To attempt to blame the fans for that today is a complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
I've been defending heck and advocating giving him more time, but I'm losing faith and interviews like that do him no favours
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Nonsense and if if they can’t handle that today god help us in a derby.
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Originally Posted by 660
:confused: Aye blame the fans, better still let’s play without fans eh. Happy clappers could get special entry tickets as they will not shout at the players as it might upset them or make them nervous........
What a forum
I said “the fans didn’t help” I didn’t blame the fans or excuse the performance you ****ing maniacQuote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
Haven't listened to his post match excuses. If he has the temerity to blame the fans he might as well pack the bags tomorrow.
People booed when this idiot..... having played Allan in the wrong position......subbed him off. He is clueless and hopeless and needs sacked.
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by green day
Really wish you wouldn't sit on the fence. Just tell us what you really think.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Really, i've been supporting Hibs H&A for over 40 years even up till now i go to every game and because I booed the decision for taking SA off, I should not go back?
You weren't supporting Hibs today if you were booing subs when we were winning. That isn't support. Do you boo family members if they don't follow your advice? Or do you support them and hope it works out?Quote:
Originally Posted by green with envy
You’ve got to realise that people are frustrated at what’s going on. You are constantly having a go at folk who think we are going to end up in the **** again. The manager played our best creative midfielder out of position today then took him off. If you can’t see why the Hibs FANS showed their displeasure to this I’ve no idea what you were watching. Stop having ago at supporters, ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I understand why people are frustrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Emerald
We were winning, they booed the sub, we drew. How exactly did booing help?
Booing doesn’t help obviously. We are heading in the wrong direction and it appears to the majority of the fans who’ve suffered all of this before that things are not right. Every Hibs fan went today wanting to win and I’ve never in all my years of going to ER heard a substitution booed like that. You are blaming the fans!! If we’d won today it would have been daylight robbery and blaming the Hibs fans is way off the mark. We’re not all experts but we’ve got loads of experience of spotting pish 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I've read this nonsense a few times now - people were booing the manager, not the players. Quite simple to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
How exactly did taking Allen off help?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I thought the fans were fine until he took off our most creative player. Jesus, we're a hard enough watch as it is without the chance that Allan might get us off our seats.
Doige is our best playerQuote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
If you booed do not go to next match then all will be fine only people in stadium will be folk who do not boo. Then we can seriously go for the title.
It will also help the scanners at the turnstiles as only around 1000 fans will turn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Trips
The booing didn't help but that's not the 1st time Hibs players have gone into their shell this season.
For the 1st time in years we looked utterly terrified at Ibrox. Newall in particular just looked like a scared wee laddie and it showed in his performance. John McGinn was a very good footballer but what will take him to the very top is his attitude and mentality. 'Hearts away, love it'. Can you imagine that coming from Slivka, Mallan or Vela?
Football is a brutal game when the chips are down and it needs strong characters. If we don't have them then Heckingbottom et al better find some this week or there's going to be a lot more days like yesterday.
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Originally Posted by 660
Support of the fans is very important but I honestly don’t think it was a factor yesterday.
Our team simply couldn’t keep possession and control the game. That spread anxiety to the stands, not the other way around.
Wasn't booing myself but can't blame anyone who was booing. Spending money and wasting time to watch that utter garbage...again. The man is clueless and saying the atmosphere is in any way to blame is ridiculous because it's the same chronic football every week.
Heckingbottom states that the anxiety from the crowd bled into the field and affected the players.... but where on earth did he think the anxiety in the crowd cane from???
A pumping from Rangers, struggling at home to Morton and then a poor second half yesterday... it’s no wonder the crowd were anxious, we’ve seen it before and know what’s coming. I for one am sick of biting my nails and sitting on the edge of my seat in worry for the last 20 mins of every game!! I joked with friends that we need a 3 goal lead to relax... it’s actually true!!!
Spot on. The fans were only anxious because of the way the team were playing and have played previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Yep and those comments will most likely haunt him till he’s sacked next month. It’s now a case of when rather then if.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Tame stuff compared to the 80’s. Players like Stevenson and Hanlon were poor yesterday and I don’t believe they’ve suddenly become crap overnight. The manager deserves the stick he got as the boos were firmly aimed towards him. Tactically inept, wrong substitutions and none of his signing have improved on the players who left.
The booing at the Allan sub was ridiculous IMO, may not have agreed with the way Allan was deployed during the game but perhaps Heck was just taking care of his best player?
***** football though, disappointing that its panned out this way thus far but I’d wait until we’ve played all 11 other teams this year before making any decisions. Heck could come good, and I still think on balance he might, but he needs to be learning from these mistakes.
What really grinds my gears is morons slamming seats. Oooh ya hard man.
He clearly hasn't learned from his mistakes, he started Scott Allan in a similar position against St Mirren, him moving more central resulted in our winning goal. He wasn't great yesterday, I don't think anyone can disagree with that, but still contributed more than Mallan. Playing him out of position again, substituting him instead of Mallan deserves the reaction he received IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chefki Kuqi
Totally agree. Said on another post that we are really lacking big characters, leaders in this side. Ibrox was a horrible example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
No Daz or SDG and we are bereft of character in Phs side. In losing Marv, Milli and SJM we lost more than just footballers, we lost players with the ability to lead.
GGTTH
The booing is out of frustration. How that is interpreted and why folk were doing it is equally up for question. Why is it not embarrassing then that folk have jumped on the action and then used it to back fill their own agendas?
Do not buy into the fans booing worked against the players at all. After the first 30 minutes we were brutal. He wasnt subbed until an hour in.
Must admit after the second went in I gave the chair to my right a wee donk. Apologies, should know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestStandWillie
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Originally Posted by ColintonHibs
You've came out with a few real beauties after the game, top trolling.:thumbsup:
Really good post. I wonder if Leeann and Ron are having a long conversation about things.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhatter
As like everyone else I am of the opinion Allan should never have been played wide right yesterday. However, I agreed with the decision to take him off. He had a really poor game - yes he was playing out of position but his touch was poor and he was very rarely finding a Hibs shirt when making a pass. Couple this with the fact he was offering no defensive cover for the full back. Heckys also came out and said he’s been carrying a knock all week.
The issue I’m more concerned about is that he pushed Vela further up the park to play behind Kamberi leaving Mallan and Slivka as the two deeper midfielders. I thought Vela was having a good game yesterday. He was showing good energy, breaking things up and winning his fair share of 2nd balls. After the substitutions we stopped winning tackles/2nd balls in the middle of the park which gave them complete control of the game.
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Brilliant post, agree with all of it but your last paragraph is something I’ve been banging on about for a while now. That’s all LD.Quote:
Originally Posted by madhatter
She needs to decide if her 5 years are up or if she’s here long term.
Or maybe Ron needs to decide. A bit of leadership from him soon would be welcome. First 100 days coming up...
Aye, it's a big problem right enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestStandWillie
So you’re throwing a grenade and then running away like a coward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
There's been a fair bit of that since yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by BouncerRoss
If you have an opinion, or want to make an unfounded accusation, at least stand your ground and argue your point.
Agree with both posts. It would help if the manager displayed some leadership too by owning his mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergos
Think Vela will be up for Hearts at Tynie. He takes players out in every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I think the fans got behind the team after the first equaliser and when we scored. Then followed the team into a shell. The players set the tone for the fans. Been on a downward spiral since the start of last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by BouncerRoss
That’s 17 games away, we need results and Vela contributing a lot more before then.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Comedian!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ColintonHibs
Have to disagree with those saying this is worse than the dark days of Lennon.weve made two awful appointments.one manager who knows Scottish football, can motivate, but his attitude meant it was always going to end in tears. Lennon was awful for us.hecky while he started well, doesn’t know Scottish football and isn’t a manager. Decent coach but he just doesn’t have an eye for a signing and the excuses after the match about it somehow being the fans fault, utterly pathetic.that performance and result warranted booing, it did. You may choose not to boo that’s fine but it shouldn’t affect the players who are profesionals.they need to know the pressures that come with playing for a big club and it must be better.agree the main fault is at Heckys door. Just hope we can bring someone in of a decent quality next time. 3 **** appointments in a row would be unforgivable. Get the next one right Hibs FFS
Lennon wasn’t awful for us. That’s just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by broondog