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Naysayers who engage in excessive complaining and negative banter. Naysayers who consistently view the glass half empty and make one-way trips to negative town and do nothing but emphasise the worst of a situation. I respect your opinion.
As for me - I will be going to the match. Every friendly match has a gimmick element to it - most of going get that. So what if the teams will be weakened - these are two of the best teams in Europe. Looking forward to a good day out.
It’s completely different. A child in Edinburgh wearing an Old Firm top means they have chosen to ignore the two clubs closer to them and follow a Glasgow team. A child in Edinburgh wearing a Barca or Juve strip could still be a massive Hibs fan with full home and away kits and a season ticket. I had a Barca strip every season growing up in the 90’s from holidays in Spain, didn’t stop me also having the Hibs strip every season.
Any word yet on prices? I found a thread about their game last year in Dublin on some ticket exchange forum and going by some of the face values quoted there, I think a few people might be priced out of this. €40 seemed to be on the cheaper end of the scale.
I'm one of the anti this game advocates on here, so let me address your points:
1) I don't like Liverpool, but that wouldn't stop me going to watch their exciting brand of football, and who cant like Jurgen Klopp. In fact I've been to Anfield to watch them when Dalglish was playing.
2) I have absolutely nothing against English teams, in fact I have a soft spot for Everton and try to take in a game at Goodison whenever I visit my brother's family in Liverpool.
3) And this is where we address the real issue many of us have with this game. This isn't like back in the day when Scottish kids had an English team of choice as an add on to the Scottish club they supported, this is an era where that has been turned on its head for too many kids. We are now in an era where leagues like the EPL ( especially the EPL ) are aggressively pursuing a policy of attracting global fan bases. When it comes to their activities in Asia and north America that equates to attracting TV pay per view fans, shirt sales and football tourists … the owner of Cardiff City didn't change the teams colours to red on a whim, it was a cynical attempt to attract support in Malaysia where red is a significant cultural colour.
As I said in another post the ridiculous pre season tours EPL clubs like Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool undertake every season has nothing to do with pre season preparation and everything to do with promoting their clubs and the league to international TV and tourist markets. The difference between doing that in China and doing it in Scotland is that they are on our doorstep and the 'fans' they attract here have easy access to EPL grounds, especially in the north of England, and going there can be a frequent occurrence not a once in a lifetime holiday trip.
That's what this game is, a promotional exercise in an era where its already difficult for Scottish clubs to compete with the packed stadiums and glamour of the EPL which is forced down our throats on Football Focus and MOTD every Saturday. An era where far more than ever before too many Scots when they say 'WE' are talking about Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle Utd, Man City etc etc and not Hibs, Hearts, Motherwell, Dundee Utd etc etc. I personally know of three families, who though swearing allegiance to Hibs and Hearts, still make far more trips to the grounds of their EPL team of choice than they do Easter Rd or Tynecastle …. as I also said in another post, our group of ER season ticket holders is on the cusp of losing a long standing ST holding Hibby to Liverpool through the strenuous efforts of his mums Scottish Liverpool supporting partner.
That's why folk saying what's the problem just coz they aren't playing Hibs or Hearts are entirely missing the point. and why Liverpool and Napoli can take this game and ram it.
4) As vacuous a statement as my favourite modern brainless phrase 'haters gonna hate'
We're selling record numbers of season tickets, attendances at Easter Road (and Tynecastle) are a high as they've been in my lifetime.
Are Liverpool REALLY taking kids away from our games?
In my line of business we often talk about competition. Some folk think there is a finite amount of business out there, competition is to be feared as it takes away from your share. Others prefer there to be a buzz, for more providers to be involved, to have customers and potential new customers talking about what you do, and you all get extra business from other people's marketing.
If Hibs were playing in front of crowds of 5000 I think I'd be more concerned, but we're not. Hibs and Liverpool offer people different football supporting experiences and are in truth not remotely in competition. We have a higher profile poster on this site who is a Liverpool born scouser with Liverpool his first love. He manages to watch them from a distance, never stops supporting them but has a local team as his local team.
After this game is played, do we think there will be more young Hibs fans who never want to go back to see Hibs again because seeing the mighty Liverpool has given them a hunger for watching football of a higher standard from distance, or might there actually be a few youngsters who fall in love with the game who might be more open to being taken along to see a team on their doorstep?
I just feel that in an era where our game gets unfairly slagged rotten (mainly by ignorant Englanders), we shouldn't be going out of our way to promote their money drenched product in our country. It's already rammed down our throats constantly.
People will be willing to pay that minimum £40 to see a glorified bounce match between two half strength teams whose players are just looking for a little fitness and to avoid injury.
Meanwhile there will be protests if Hibs charge £15 maximum for a league cup group game.
I know which of the two I'll be at. The former is like seeing the Spice Girls in a stadium and the latter is like seeing your favourite band in a small club.
3) How do you square this with the fact that Hibs currently have a fairly constant number of season ticket holders which is higher than anything I've seen in my lifetime? And i grew up in the 80s don't you know... I'm not sure, but I think you could say the same for Hearts. Football in Edinburgh seems to me to be in rude health despite the horrible tactics of those South of the border.
4) As much as you think it's rubbish, I have to disagree. There's a fair amount of that on this thread if you ask me. Just my opinion!
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Regards the first point, you are absolutely correct and I for one want to keep it that way … encouraging an EPL sales pitch in Edinburgh wont help IMO.
As for the second point … you suggested folk were annoyed about this just for the sake of it and that for me is just not the case. Some of us are passionate about the game here and especially Hibs, therefor we are defensive about the preservation of it … In view of that this is an absolutely legitimate subject for us to be voicing concern about … its not moaning for the sake of it.
You didn't really answer my first point though, did you? Hibs' recent great attendance figures have been achieved despite you suggesting that the EPL etc have been marketing more aggressively than ever. How do you square that off? Maybe, just maybe, the two are unrelated? And is one game featuring the team who finished second in said league really going to make that much of a difference?
As for your second paragraph, we'll just have to disagree on this. I think it's mountains out of molehills and people getting their knickers in a twist about nothing much. You believe it's a much bigger deal and that this one game will have a negative impact on Hibs' fanbase in the future. That's your prerogative.
Some of us are indeed passionate about the Scottish game, and Hibs in particular. It doesn't stop us enjoying other football too, and if two massive teams are putting on a show in your back yard...
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Any rugby season ticket holders check your email as the SRU have a presale via ticketmaster
I can’t get remotely interested in Hibs friendlies or even testimonials. In the case of testimonials I would rather donate to someone I thought worthy of recognition rather than attend these kind of sham matches. I am not criticising those that do, it is just something I tired of years ago.
As for a friendly involving two clubs I don’t support, well, i just can’t get excited about it. If it’s your bag, enjoy it, have a good day, take the kids, have a hotdog, just don’t bring me back a two team scarf as a souvenir.:greengrin
How about a different analogy and way of looking at this game as worthwhile going to.
I give you music concerts. Bruce Springsteen, Supertramp and Elton John.
Fairly diverse trio of acts but nevertheless pretty popular in their genre.
Why do I mention them?
Well, I’m not the greatest fan of any of them but like a few of their ditties.
My main point though is that all 3 have been appearing in a city I happened to be in whilst they were on tour and I thought, I’m here, they’re here, why not go along to see them.
Springsteen in Toronto. Supertramp in Vancouver. Both there whilst I was visiting family.
OK - Elton John was only at Meadowbank but hey that’s only a short 34 bus trip away to see a genuine pop music legend.
So why any true football loving fan would begrudge a 22 bus journey to the home of rugby to see today’s versions of teams we have previously demolished at ER back in the 60s/70s!! is beyond me. I’m not clamouring to attend but if the ticket prices are reasonable, from a purely footballing viewpoint, I don’t see why I shouldn’t.
Your main gripe against this game seems to be that it represents greed and promoting your product aggressively into new markets.
I'm surprised that you are surprised. This is the way football has been for some time now. There's no sense that this fixture represents a new low in any sense. You may as well argue against global capitalism from a political perspective (and I've done so on numerous occasions!) but if you're going to follow football in the early twenty first century you have to swallow up certain principles to a certain extent and just watch the fantastic sport on offer . That's life.
Which part of that paragraph highlighted is absolute cr*p? It seemed pretty much on the money.
i have no problem myself with people supporting anyone they want and attending any matches they want. Freedom of choice and all that, and I suppose I should probably support my local Irish league club more rather than making all those trips over to Easter road... but anyone who thinks the multi-billion pound EPL businesses (they’re not really football clubs anymore are they) are playing friendlies outside of England for any reason other than attracting new markets for their products are kidding themselves.
still. They are fabulous football teams no doubt about it. I can understand why people would want to watch them.
What new market are they attracting by playing in Scotland? Trying to get tickets for Liverpool Home games is near enough impossible, they certainly aren’t available in large numbers. And most of us have Sky Sports and BT. So where’s the drain in funds from Scotland to England coming from apart from sales in replica tops?
Has going to any of those gigs affected your enthusiasm to go to see the Spice Girls or Wu Tang Clan in concert, or made you not want to stick on a Jimmy Shand CD?
I simply don't believe that we have a finite number of "customers" that all football clubs are fighting over and that this game will have a negative effect on Hibs. Quite the opposite, I think having the European champions playing in our city will give youngsters an extra buzz about football, a buzz that Hibs can benefit from in many ways.
I'd rather see Hearts v The Spice Girls.
Whoah!! I’d draw the line at the Spice Girls. And anyway, it was raining last night, so stuff that LOL!!
Funny you should mention Jimmy Shand. It has just reminded me I have seen him perform live believe it or not. Many years ago while on holiday in Aviemore with my mum & dad, he was recording a live show to be released on record. I was dragged along as a very reluctant 12/13 year old. Not the best evening I’ve ever experienced.:rolleyes:
I’m not against this game taking place on our doorstep. Those that want to go, will go. Those who don’t, won’t. I just don’t get all the vitriol being spouted about EPL this, EPL that!!
Is it. So Arsenal go to China to Play Chelsea in a friendly match because that's so much easier than playing it at Stamford Bridge or the Emirates … seriously? :faf:
Look mate, I'm fine with folk who don't agree with my take on this …. and a guy in response to one of my posts made a pretty valid point about how healthy ST sales have been for Edinburgh's clubs lately .. but if you don't think these EPL outlandish friendly tours are as much a promotional exercise as they are pre season preparation then your naivety massively outweighs my paranoia :greengrin
Pre sale starts today but theres no ticket prices available on the site.
https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event...klUkC12cSoaXs0
Your obsession with this particular match is proving my point. Okay Chelsea v Arsenal in China - obvious PR exercise aiming at the potentially huge Asian market. Liverpool v Whoever in Edinburgh aimed at what? - giving the potentially huge :rolleyes: Edinburgh (Scottish) market a taste of the EPL? - encouraging them to cross the border for their football fix? - apart from a few northern English clubs the cost of travel/tickets and travel time/costs would make that a non starter. All the PR exercises around the globe may cause a few folk to buy shirts/watch foreign teams on the tv but they won't attend matches on other continents on a regular basis, maybe catch the odd game on a holiday. IMO these matches won't affect whether or not potential Hibs supporters are lured away to watch any of the big names south of the border. It may well tempt some Scottish fans to adopt a second club to support, I know many Hibees who have an English team that they follow but it never seems to affect their allegiance to Hibs. I agree that there is an strong element of greed involved through merchandising but I can't see that affecting any of the Scottish clubs. I could go on and on but I feel any more would be going round in circles. Opinions eh?
Cheapest £28, most expensive is £60 per ticket plus the £7 charge so £67 each for East Stand in pre sale just now.
I've no issue with the game being in Edinburgh but the pricing is awful.
So regardless of “General Sale” on Wednesday, you can buy tickets today in the “Pre Sale” . Seems strange but got mine so happy.
Wow …. That's the walk up price for a Hibs Cat A game and the cut off point for me when arguments about Hibs pricing are on the go. I always defend Hibs on their general ST and walk up pricing, with the only time I agree its too high being the £28 for the Ugly sisters and Hearts.
If those prices are correct I'm not as worried about this game's effect as I was.
That's the spirit. Destroy your own point in one fell swoop by deliberately choosing one of the players that nobody will be going specifically to see! Top work.
Just got tickets for me and the family, should be a good wee evening. Hope you enjoy whatever you decide to do instead. Win win! :thumbsup:
Perhaps if it was a competitive match mate. But this is a friendly which by and large tend to be tepid affairs …. the worst, the very worst, football match I ever attended was Sporting Lisbon v Feyenoord in a pre season tournament at St James park years ago, even the ref looked like he was nodding off it was so boring :greengrin
So you expected the ticket prices to be this high, and yet you were obviously really concerned about the effect this game would have on the Hibs support in the future. Then you heard what the ticket prices were, and you're not so worried any more?
Something doesn't add up!
I have been dipping in and out with this thread so apologies if already asked: are Liverpool fans happy with this home game?
How many are prepared to travel??
They pricing levels are surprising because they are higher than the ticket prices for the same fixture in the Champions League last November at Anfield.
Adult prices for the Champions League Game started at £9, with the most expensive ticket being £59.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/tic...elling-details
Well because I don't believe so many folk will be willing to pay that amount to watch Liverpool have a kick about … not sure what doesn't add up :greengrin And for the record I didn't 'expect' the ticket prices to be high, in fact I never mentioned the cost until it was confirmed a few posts ago, I'm just not that surprised that tickets are expensive for this.
"Adults: £9*-£59
*Local general sale price"
It literally tells you the prices if you follow the link. Regardless, the most expensive ticket for a decider to see if Liverpool progress in the Champions League is still cheaper than the most expensive for a friendly at Murrayfield.
Literally copied and pasted from the link.
"Adults: £9*-£59
Over 65s: £9*-£44
Young Adults: £9*-£29.50
Juniors: £9 (within the advertised family sections)"
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I was at a Liverpool friendly a couple of years back. It was £15.00 quid and I left early. shocking game.
Liverpool starting team was
1 Loris Karius
56 Connor Randall 45'
6 Dejan Lovren
21 Lucas Leiva (c) 67'
18 Alberto Moreno 67' 90'
35 Kevin Stewart
16 Marko Grujic 31' 45'
19 Sadio Mané 45'
53 Oviemuno Ejaria 45'
10 Philippe Coutinho 34' 45'
11 Roberto Firmino 45'
Not heard of half of them and was at the match :greengrin
May get a full kit and a half and half scarf for this game.
I've got mine, 28 and 11 for adult and child. I dont feel violated or exploited by planet football though, what's wrong with me?
Taking my half and half Lpool/Hibs scarf to this game. Mighty even get my .net name on the back of my Liverpool shirt.
Has at the UEFA cup game at Anfield. Their fans were brutal. Picking on lone Hibs fans and raining bottles down on us. Hibs boys stood u to them . Have hated them ever since. Even became an Everton ‘fan’ because of that game. Went down to a few games in the Kevin Sheedy area. Wore a Hibs t-shirt and the Everton boys were magic.
78 tickets purchased. We're taking our teams to the match. A wee day out for them.
Lets hope it doesn't trump Easter Road's record
Other TV famous teams will do the same if this cash cow sells out.
Tickets secured. Sitting above the Napoli fans. :aok: