The Republicans themselves will have to get rid of Trump. If any other person or force does, there will be carnage in the USA.
(Unless of course he actually lasts the 4 years and is voted out after his first term).
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The Republicans themselves will have to get rid of Trump. If any other person or force does, there will be carnage in the USA.
(Unless of course he actually lasts the 4 years and is voted out after his first term).
As opposed to the Tories saying there is a heightened alert on the chance of terrorism in the UK so to enforce that there is bad guys everywhere. If it wasn't reality I doubt I could make up govt as comical and as shambolic as the ones here and the us. As for Trump he is the classic it's ma baw kid who when he can't get his own way spits out the dummy. God knows what the rest of the world thinks of the us and the uk. May better get used to be the one nobody speaks to at parties as we are on our own now and at the mercy of the industrial European wolves. Brexit equals nobody has a clue what's going on. Just a normal time for politicians then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I think Gen Mattis is the man to watch on that front.Quote:
Originally Posted by snooky
He isn't the first to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alito-wi...-court-ruling/
Still, it is somewhat comforting to know that politicians can't just do what they want all the time.
Looks like the Steele dossier wasn't fake news. Some of it has been corroborated.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/po...ate/index.html
The start of the slow drip feed of details that could lead who knows where?Quote:
Originally Posted by JackLadd
Where's spitting image when you need it :greengrin
No posts on this thread for over three days......I take it things have been uneventful in Trumpland?
Trump fatigue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Good-o for Trudeau :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...w-justin-trude
Folk have realised he is actually a really sound guy who is just a bit misunderstood.... 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Trump himself is a bit part player in what is an a total farce of US politics, it's fascinating to watch, Stephen Miiler has been the stand out this week, guy is a total fruitcake with absolutely no emotion whatsoever and a view that Trump's executive orders or whatever he says in general should not be questioned, Trump has had a bit of a meltdown on Twitter today, all for wiki leaks and the like exposing Hilary pre election but not so keen when he's the one getting exposed for his pro Russian filled cabinet dealings.
will he last 6months at this rate before the senior Republicans pull the plug?
Starting to look more and more like Watergate. the slow drip of info that goes higher and higher up the chain of command. What is the possibility that he knew of the contacts and gave his explicit approval? If he did and evidence emerges that proves it then he's toast
Here's hoping
First of many crisis for Trump...he's set up a war with the deep state...he's only just beginning to feel it's power! [emoji23]
Well he's just announced he's no longer interested in the 'two state solution' in Palestine. Netanyahu now has a total green light for more illegal settlements and the US is even further away from mainstream world opinion on the issue.
So I'd say he's still keeping busy, being a Fascist radge.
Flynn a wonderful man and victim of fake news, says Trump. No, he was sacked by you, Trump. FBI not prosecuting Flynn, that will be the same FBI who went after Hillary a week before the vote. Three of Trump's operatives had constant contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Trump staying tight lipped on media questions, refusing to address the matter. Get his tax returns out there, that will show any links.
Won't be happening - Was tossed out after a 23-15 vote against forcing him to release them on Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackLadd
https://thinkprogress.org/congress-h...550#.z3liykndo
Are dodgy hairstyles the secret to 'getting on' in politics? Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and Rex Tillerson ken what's goin' on.:greengrin
His position became untenable and I´m pretty sure he resigned. Trump has stood by him though, as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackLadd
What an unbelievable mess this all is. I still can´t get my head round how he is getting away with this stuff (e.g. appointing family members, the security farce at Florida, the statements his lackeys are coming out with - "the president´s authority will not be questioned" springs to mind etc. etc. etc.) You have a GOP majority who blocked the publication of his tax returns and seem to be willing to put up with absolutely anything, even proven collusion with Russian intelligence before, during and since the election, if it means holding onto power, even if the price of that is compromising the entire country and potentially the safety of the rest of the world. I literally can not understand why he is still there and nobody has acted. It´s mind-blowing.
Only in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
Still living in the days of the Wild West.
The press conference he is giving just now is so bad, yet I'm still watching it.
He is a complete walloper.
Scratch that, he's not a walloper, he is insane. 100% mad as mad can be.
His delivery is very awkward. He talks like a ten year old and repeats the same boring nonsense over and over. If it wasn't so deadly serious it would be laughable.
I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many waysQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Perhaps he is. But that's not a great worry because there's only so much damage a nutter in his position can do till they slip the straightjacket on. What I worry about is the country that has a system which allows him to be elected to that position in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
I read a really interesting article that was written by a family member of someone who had some sort of narcissistic personality disorder, how to deal with the person (and not to deal with them) and the problems that it brings.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
He went on to describe what it might mean to have someone in the Oval Office who suffered from one.
It was bang on the money. Trump is without doubt mentally ill.
If the world should be lucky enough to survive this enormously dangerous period, I hope one day we'll be able to look back at it and laugh at how utterly bonkers it is.
That presser was a slow motion car crash. Basically attack the media (except Faux news) and deny, deflect and evade. If he wants media cheerleaders he should move to North Korea. Leaks are now criminal apparently, but he loved them just three months back. Didn't address the Russian questions other than to say it's the medias fault he can't lift the sanctions yet on Putin, hence why Putin launched a new cruise missile. Okay. No mention of any transparent investigation on his alleged campaign Russia collusion - he doesn't know his three guys named on the intel. Really? His attack on CNN strayed into vicious bullying territory I thought. Then he verbally assaulted the Jewish guy with a sit down and be quiet. :rolleyes:
You're not alone:Quote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/o...rump.html?_r=0
It was being analysed on Newsnight a few minutes ago. It's really unbelievable how he expresses himself and the level of condescension and patronising is breathtaking. They included an interview with Sebastian Gorka, a Trump assistant. He sounded as bitter and crazy as his boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
another major worry will present itself if he does get impeached, and that is having mike pence as president. he's actually got brains, and is possibly even more horrific in his political outlook than trump. bannon has described trump as a 'blunt instrument' - he get them into power, not just himself, and they are perfectly capable of conspiring to oust him. genuinely scary times.
If he was impeached/deposed due to collusion with Russia trying to subvert the election could there be a case for rerunning the election?Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Would be even more divisive than the last one but if the Democrats got their act together with a decent candidate then they would be likely to win?
Popcorn time
Thanks for the link. I am a complete layman regarding mental illness but just compare the dictionary definition of megalomania with his actions. One thing for sure - the mayhem of the last few weeks can't continue for 4 years, something will have to change and his mental state means it's not likely to be himQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
i'm no expert, but as far as i'm aware, the impeachment of a president simply hands power to the VP - i think that's what happened with Nixon, Gerald Ford was his VP, and he succeeded Nixon when he went - though I think Nixon resigned, and I don't know what difference this makes on things.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
I the president becomes disposed after the annuaguration power then gets transferred to the v.p as laid down in the constitution. I only answer as the missus and I were watching a programme the other night where the president elect was assasinated before being sworn in the question the arose what would happen. IMO the American people voted for him so leave them to it. Again IMO Clinton could have been worse. They had to choose between two evils and chose the one with the best spinQuote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Difficult to see how.Quote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
Agreed, while she's obviously not perfect, the worst of the "negativity" looks to have come frome fake.news stories... i just can't understand how Mr Trump thought it was all fair game at.the time but President Trump now has the opposite view??Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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David Frum on Twitter just posted that NYT, CNN and others are about to break a "very, very damaging story indeed".
I agree that's the norm but just surmising a "what if". Don't want one nut job replaced by anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
What was it as I don't see any big stories on our channels?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
Not sure. I don't think it has come out yet. The rumour is it's to do with the Russian dossier. Or....it's a loady pash. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Bloody hell ............ At least two guys who even to a layman are obviously heavy hitters in the field of psychiatry have put their names to that letter, not only that but they have clearly set aside a self imposed ethical rule to go public, something I'm sure they didn't do lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Its one thing having your average man in the street thinking the president of the USA is mentally unsound ..... but when folk who make a living treating mental health problems come out and say they are probably right that's a bit of a worry, to say the least :confused:
A highly mendacious narcissistic sociopath that cannot empathise. This is what's leading the free world. :confused:
Chatting to a couple of friends, both bright and knowledgable. earlier today about Trump and his recent Press Conference. They jumped down my throat when I referred to his ridiculous behaviour and insisted that he was the best thing to happen to the USA in years, Chaque a son gout, as they say. :rolleyes:
The people who put him where he is will have loved his press conference the other day. He is doing exactly what he told them he would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Ruth Davidson?:greengrin:thumbsup::na na::cbQuote:
Originally Posted by JackLadd
Absolutely. I disagree with just about everything he says, but you can't deny he's being true to his word.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
He's now referring to a non-existant attack on Sweden to help defend his views!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39020962
Apparently all that happened in Sweden on the night that Trump refers to is:
- A man setting himself on fire at a plaza in central Stockholm
- Famous singer Owe Thornqvist suffering technical problems in rehearsals for the aforementioned Melfest
- A man killed in workplace accident
- Road closures in northern Sweden due to "harsh weather"
- Police car chase through central Stockholm of a suspected drunk driver
Will it be more lies to explain how he got it wrong?
It has been covered up my the media and only Donald is telling the truth according to his followers!!Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
You need to remember it was the Poles who first attacked Germany back in 39.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
If he brings jobs to the rust belts of America he'll have done what he said he'd do. He wants to shut up about everything else.
He's quite rightfully getting slagged mercilessly in Sweden because of all the nonsense he was saying/implying. A mate of mine took the 2/1 about Trump getting impeached before his term runs out.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemoc...5781209848262/
http://time.com/4677559/stockholm-sw...s-drug-arrest/Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
:faf:
Maybe you should be asking why Ted heath wasn't impeached. Everybody fell asleep on that one.
SNL is in its element with Trump
This is brilliant
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuc18xISwI
Spicer HATES this, I understand.
Trump especialy hates that Spicer was lampooned by a female. There was another sketch the week after this, I'll post a link if i can find itQuote:
Originally Posted by Colr
This should be itQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhz3XcNzGU
Rumour is that Rosie O' Donnell is going to do Bannan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
I heard an interesting stat on the news another day from an American analyst: apparently during the election campaign Trump received 95% negative news coverage and Clinton received 90% positive. If true, and even if most of it was deserved, such a bias must be unprecedented in any western democracy.
Same guy had another stat that the media is even less trusted than Trump (45% vs 42% so it's close).
Trump likes the attention and it's good his polling so he won't change.
Sounds like a load of bull to me...for no other reason than the amount of negative press Hilary got on her email troubles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmesdale Hibs
Agreed. Those stats are mince. Bigly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
I recall when the press were giving Ed Milliband a particularly unfair tide, his poll ratings went up. I don't think the public like to see people picked on by the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmesdale Hibs
Have just googled this, and yes they are BS, which strangely supports his other point that people don't trust the media: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/07/donald-trump-was-right-he-got-incredibly-negative-press-coverage/Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
There's a plot half way down that suggests he quoted the min/max for Trump's range (maybe from around the time the video on the bus came out). Not sure where Clinton's comes from.
Point remains that amount of negative coverage was unusual and maybe even unprecedented.
Maybe the case but maybe also the case that it was totally warranted!Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmesdale Hibs
Also he clearly set an antagonistic tone so almost set out to ensure his coverage was negative...he simply used that as further proof of how he was a the only candidate that could take on the vested interests.
Trump may actually be the first ever candidate that actively sought negative coverage to boost his campaign!
I agree, simply reporting facts is a negative news story for him and even Alistair Campbell couldn't spin some of the stuff he said any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
I wasn't suggesting it was unwarranted, just don't see the need to state my disapproval of him in every post. My point was that I have never seen the media and public so out of sync.
GWB calling for answers http://news.sky.com/story/george-w-b...links-10784319
Election should be voided imo.
The Republicans believe him
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5oSSGfXQAE2o4e.jpg:large
God it must be sad when a gibbering idiot like Bush is the voice of sanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackLadd
its just sour grapes from dubya because trump ruined the bush dynastys dream of another 4 years in the white houseQuote:
Originally Posted by JackLadd
Totally agree. Trump is increasingly appearing as if he is attempting to undermine well established world order institutions such as NATO and the WTO among others. It's exactly this type of rabid nationalism and potential tearing up of supra national world order agreements that Putin seeks. Very dangerous times unless Trump is reined in or replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
glory glory
I doubt that even the most rabid Trump fan would believe that nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Your right. Putin will be overdosing on popcorn these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by northstandhibby
Dow Jones index
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C514g3fWQAY-hH2.jpg
President Trump’s Speech Last Night
Posted March 1st, 2017 @ 9:51am in #Trump #WhenHub
I didn’t see President Trump’s entire speech last night. I’m catching up this morning. Looks to me as if it was a base-clearing home run. Even Democrats are having trouble criticizing it. Surveys are positive. Stock market is up. CNN’s most credible anti-Trumper, Van Jones, said Trump was presidential, in a good way. Don Lemon got triggered into cognitive dissonance, hypothesizing that Trump’s presidential words don’t match his off-stage personality. In other words, it was a speech.
Trump pulled a Khan maneuver. You remember when Clinton invited the Khan family to talk about their fallen hero son while criticizing Trump. Trump fell for that trap by responding to it, which allowed his critics to frame him as disrespectful to a Gold Star family.
Last night, President Trump returned the favor. He wrapped part of his message around honoring a fallen hero. You can’t criticize any part of that without seeming disrespectful. And persuasion-wise, saying Ryan Owen’s memory is “etched into eternity” is one of the great presidential lines of all time. Simple and perfect. And thanks to President Trump’s speech, Ryan Owen’s name is in fact etched into eternity. The President predicted it, then he literally made it happen, right in front of us, without taking the focus off of Ryan. That’s as good as it gets.
Trump did a High Ground Maneuver by referring to many of the criticisms of his administration as “trivial.” Now the people who keep making such criticisms are defining themselves to be in the unimportant part of the conversation. That is super-strong persuasion that I think most people missed. It’s a trap. Wait for more “trivial” criticisms, with the President’s supporters calling them out as they happen. It will make the critics look small and unimportant.
Trump apparently opened his speech (I missed that part) by speaking out against some recent hate crimes in the United States. By putting that topic first, he made it a top priority, if only in our minds. That was the not-Hitler moment the world was hoping to see. I told you in prior posts and tweets that by this summer Trump would move the national consciousness from the illusion that he is Hitler to the opinion that his administration is not competent. By the end of the year, the critics will be saying some version of this: “Okay, he gets a lot done, and he isn’t Hitler, but we still don’t like it.” That story arc looks as if it accelerated last night, but I expect lots more Hitler talk before summer. Last night was big for the President, but only a first step toward improving his brand.
Other fresh news tells us the Trump Administration is going to work more closely with black colleges to help them succeed. That isn’t quite the plan I blogged about, in which the country moves toward free college for all and puts African-Americans in the first wave because you get the most bang for the buck by helping first the communities that need it most. This was good pre-suasion from Trump ahead of the speech because it put observers in a non-Hitler frame of mind.
Persuasion-wise, if your opponents are hitting you with the professionally-engineered pre-suasion of “dark” as the label for everything you say, the best response is to do something positive for African-Americans. Then let your critics call your plans “dark.” How’s that sound to your ear?
If Trump maintains a constructive engagement with the black community, and continues to talk about unity, while his critics call him “dark,” who wins the persuasion? Trump’s critics might accidentally turn him into the third black president. (Counting Bill Clinton as first.) That’s obviously a big stretch, but you didn’t think he would get elected president either. Four years is a lot of time for a Master Persuader.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157865134106/president-trumps-speech-last-night
Do you have an opinion of your own or do you just copy and paste other people's?Quote:
Originally Posted by (((Fergus)))
Seems European countries are becoming more nervous and spending more on their defenses in light of Trump's remarks on Nato. This article explains why they are becoming ever more nervous of Russian warmongering. Nato is more relevant than ever methinks in these uncertain times.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...res/ar-AAogmry
glory glory
One of his central campaign promises - the repeal of Obamacare - falls at the first hurdle. Unable to win a vote in the House of Representatives, Trump pulls the plug, meaning Obamacare stays.
Muslim ban going through the courts after it was blocked.
It's all gone quiet on the Mexican border wall.
Government appointees blocked by congress.
Hillary Clinton not going to jail.
Crazy false accusations from Trump about Obama wiretapping him.
Forced to retract accusations of media cover ups of terrorist attacks that actually never happened.
Investigation into Trump's dealings with Russia during the presidential campaign.
It's the shambles we knew it would be, and were only three months in.
But apart from that he's doing OK? 😀😀Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I think your last point could be the one to pull him down. Watergate #2? Though any evidence that he knew of the involvement and covered it up may well have been "lost".
Mostly very true apart from the wall....tenders for the design are progressing on a short time scale so I reckon this is one thing we will see some progress on. Not exactly anything to crow about of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I heard that the tendering was underway, but is funding in place?Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
Don't follow it that closely but pretty sure there is some initial billions allocated so don't think he will have trouble starting...whether the folly ever gets finished though who knows!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
How do I buy shares in the "San Diego Brick & Concrete Company"?
Executive order signed today to suspend 6 of Obamas climate change policies.
Oh good.
Today was terrible news. Climate change is the greatest threat to humanity and civilisation. And this clown just signed it all aaay for $$$$.
J
The States really is an odd place...Trump has struck down a number of policies, some of which like the Clean Power Plan are not even fully enacted as they are stuck in the courts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I think this means this will prevent the plan being cancelled before it's enacted and if sanctioned by the courts will only then be subject to Trumps cancellation which will be challenged in court before it can be applied...all of this sounds like it could take a few years by which time the next president might try and cancel that cancellation but will need to wait on the courts to tell him if it's even been cancelled?🤣
Anyway the US regulations sound like a right royal mess (no surprise considering the above) so not sure if this makes that much difference in the long run. I think we will need to rely on guys like Musk to deliver the technological game changers that will make all the presidents meddling obsolete anyway.
Sounds like Trump is using his time productively!Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
Already announced huge cut (around a third if memory serves) to the budget of the Environmental Protection Agency in his recent budget plan, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
General Mike Flynn has offered to testify what he knows about Trump's pre-election dealing with Russia, in exchange for immunity from prosecution. So far he's told to bolt by the FBI. :greengrin
Lock him up. Lock him up :greengrin
Mike Flynn indicates he would testify in Trump-Russia inquiry in exchange for immunity
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...y_to_clipboard
If you saw any pictures of Trump's 100 day rally, that is the arena where I used to watch indoor soccer back in the 90s.
So... Trump sacks the guy heading up the investigation into his party's possible links to Russia and on top of that a reporter's been arrested for continuing to ask questions regarding the health care changes because they weren't getting answered.
Sounds more and more ominous :-/
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Good. It is about damn time.Quote:
Originally Posted by northstandhibby
Discussing state secrets with the Russians in the Oval Office one day; revelations he told the FBI Director he sacked to drop the investigation into his ties with Russia the next. Never a dull moment with the Donald :greengrin
Let's not forget that while this circus is happening he is still signing off various controversial policies while the headlines focus on Russia. Sad, very sad
Only 24 million Americans will lose health coverage under Trump's plan. Nothing to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpj
The difference between the coverage of all this on Fox and the other news channels is staggering. Fox ran with "Liberals in Meltdown" for a couple of hours last night.
Fox News, which academic studies in America have revealed makes viewers less informed the more they watch it.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I watched Fox News for half an hour or so this morning and it was hilarious. I couldn't manage any more though so I'm back on CNN now.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Does anyone know what happens if he is impeached? Is there another election or does Pence step in?
In his defence, his presidency is highly entertaining in a car-crashy type way.
New documentary on Netflix called 'Get Me Roger Stone' about one of his political 'gurus'. Interesting stuff if you like that sort of thing.
Sadly I believe it's Pence that steps in. Obviously his first act will be to pardon Trump much in the same way Ford pardoned Nixon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
For the conspiracy theorists. Piece from independent yesterday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7739606.html