Time to back the club now that it has done the decent thing

There are piles of currant buns out there just dying for all of the folk who were determined for them to end up in division3 to prove all of their claims that Scottish football will die without them correct.

Mr Regan and Mr Doncaster I am sure are just dying for a chance to say 'I told you so'

The only people out there who can stop that from happening is us .... the fans. The final battle in this war is the one to prove who was right. Can the fans save the game? ... or was Jim Traynor right? ... are we just a bunch of keyboard heros without the first idea of how to stop the demise of Scottish football?

If you are a supporter of any club in the SPL and you want to keep your club in business, then how your club performed last season, or the season before, or before that, should be the least of your concerns ..... this is now about saving your club. Whats the point of sitting back waiting for your club to do better if your way of doing that is sitting back and letting it die?

**** me .... this ( and I'm sure the message boards of every club ) has been awash over the last few months with folk pushing each other out of the way to get to the front of the huge queue of supporters who were all just desperate to outdo each other with their high minded statements of integrity at any cost.

Well .......... It looks like we ( Include myself ) have now got the vote for sporting integrity 99% of us wanted.

But ...... Its easy to bang on about integrity and fairness and all that high minded stuff when it doesnt cost you anything ..... But getting what we wanted has cost our club and every other club a huge amount of money, thats the cost of this .. So the time has now come to ante up.

Or is this, and every other message board in Scotland just like Jim Traynor and his cronies said all along ..... Populated by a bunch of blowhards.


GGTTH

As many people as possible turn up at the first home game, fill the stadium and show "Rangers defunct", Regan and Doncaster that we CAN survive without the cheats.
18-19,000 at the first home game will show what we can do.
I will, who else thinks it is worth it.?

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So you want another 7 players in before the kick off in 3 weeks.....Did Hibs win the Euromillions on Tuesday?

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I've been waiting for Hibs to sign all 11 players since May 20th mate. I thought they would come out and get a couple off signings early to get the fans buzzing for new season. Hibs have left themselves with a shocking midfield and no strikeforce three weeks before the season starts. i can only think they have been waiting for todays news. We have a tough start to the season Hibs have one chance to get it right v Hearts on 11th if we get beat again it will be hard to get fans to turn up for the remainder of the season mate....hopefully we sign aload off decent players and we pump the hearts on the 11th

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It doesn't take long for a positive rallying call to be taken over by whining 'the club owes me' types does it? We'll support you evermore. Maybe you should get off your high horse and get behind the team from day one of the new season. They are going to need us more than ever now.

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My post was in response to another poster who was having a go at someone for still hurting and feeling negative about Hibs after the final/last season...which IMO is completely justifiable. Who do you think you are preaching to me about supporting the club? My season ticket was bought and paid for months ago, but I can completely understand why other folk haven't renewed yet because I feel completely humiliated and let down by the club as well.

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I've been waiting for Hibs to sign all 11 players since May 20th mate. I thought they would come out and get a couple off signings early to get the fans buzzing for new season. Hibs have left themselves with a shocking midfield and no strikeforce three weeks before the season starts. i can only think they have been waiting for todays news. We have a tough start to the season Hibs have one chance to get it right v Hearts on 11th if we get beat again it will be hard to get fans to turn up for the remainder of the season mate....hopefully we sign aload off decent players and we pump the hearts on the 11th

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Seriously you are kidding right??? If we lose to them on the 11th it wont be great but we live with it.....I can't agree with you saying that it would be hard for fans to go back for the remainder of the season, it would only be the first home game of season.....I can't get my head around that statement....

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Originally Posted by BOVRIL

There are piles of currant buns out there just dying for all of the folk who were determined for them to end up in division3 to prove all of their claims that Scottish football will die without them correct.

Mr Regan and Mr Doncaster I am sure are just dying for a chance to say 'I told you so'

The only people out there who can stop that from happening is us .... the fans. The final battle in this war is the one to prove who was right. Can the fans save the game? ... or was Jim Traynor right? ... are we just a bunch of keyboard heros without the first idea of how to stop the demise of Scottish football?

If you are a supporter of any club in the SPL and you want to keep your club in business, then how your club performed last season, or the season before, or before that, should be the least of your concerns ..... this is now about saving your club. Whats the point of sitting back waiting for your club to do better if your way of doing that is sitting back and letting it die?

**** me .... this ( and I'm sure the message boards of every club ) has been awash over the last few months with folk pushing each other out of the way to get to the front of the huge queue of supporters who were all just desperate to outdo each other with their high minded statements of integrity at any cost.

Well .......... It looks like we ( Include myself ) have now got the vote for sporting integrity 99% of us wanted.

But ...... Its easy to bang on about integrity and fairness and all that high minded stuff when it doesnt cost you anything ..... But getting what we wanted has cost our club and every other club a huge amount of money, thats the cost of this .. So the time has now come to ante up.

Or is this, and every other message board in Scotland just like Jim Traynor and his cronies said all along ..... Populated by a bunch of blowhards.


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You are surely deluded if you think that>

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Not deluded at all wee man, the purpose of building a 20000 all seater stadium is to fill it esp. the home end, every time you play, at home!

Why waste money if you have no intention in filling it, every home game?

Where is the delusion?

We live in a city where a near half million people live in it - we only attract 6500-8000 out of that half million, at least a third of that half million follow Hibs, it is upto the club to entice the third back to the club.

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Originally Posted by BOVRIL

There are piles of currant buns out there just dying for all of the folk who were determined for them to end up in division3 to prove all of their claims that Scottish football will die without them correct.

Mr Regan and Mr Doncaster I am sure are just dying for a chance to say 'I told you so'

The only people out there who can stop that from happening is us .... the fans. GGTTH

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Thats the bottom line, lets get out there and show them

This isn't just about backing the team, it isn't about a thumbs up or down to Petrie and it certainly isn't about hoping Rangers die or any of that nonsense.

This is about proving the doomsayers wrong. We have a massive thread on here full of passion and cries for justice from the ordinary fan. Much disillusionment was forecast should the newco get a soft landing in the SPL or Div 1 but it hasn't happened.

Now we have to brace ourselves, take a deep breath and get ourselves down to ER, Tynie, Tannadice, Killie, wherever your favourite team resides and get your crowds up. What a massive snub to the likes of Regan, Doncaster, Traynor and Murdoch that would be.

If it doesn't happen, and the game deteriorates, the likes of Traynor will never tire of telling us and we really will have cut off our nose to spite our face.

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (says a man from Alloa:wink:)

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Seriously you are kidding right??? If we lose to them on the 11th it wont be great but we live with it.....I can't agree with you saying that it would be hard for fans to go back for the remainder of the season, it would only be the first home game of season.....I can't get my head around that statement....

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Baldy im hurting im still fubar from May for me Hibs need to show me some love now ps loads off ST's over the years plus i got married at the stadium mate....i love hibs but im pissed off we have all these great facilities but a **** team......if Hibs don't beat hearts on 11th i won't be hurrying up to see them...im bored off there bon belief...i love then but come on 11 games and we cant beat a team like Hearts .....

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Not deluded at all wee man, the purpose of building a 20000 all seater stadium is to fill it esp. the home end, every time you play, at home!

Why waste money if you have no intention in filling it, every home game?

Where is the delusion?

We live in a city where a near half million people live in it - we only attract 6500-8000 out of that half million, at least a third of that half million follow Hibs, it is upto the club to entice the third back to the club.

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Cant fill it for a local derby or the old firm visits who do you think would be the opposition when we fill it??

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Cant fill it for a local derby or the old firm visits who do you think would be the opposition when we fill it??

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The Old Firm are not a big draw for Hibs fans. An early OF game at ER tends to pack in a decent Hibs support, when new season optimism is high. In subsequent games however, there are often far less Hibs fans than there would be for games against M'well, A'deen, DU etc, the crowd inflated by a full away end.

This is because few supporters enjoy witnessing the ugly triumphalism of a sectarian, cheating bigot fest.

This to me is that fundamental lie about the drawing power of Rangers. They (and Celtic) drive away as many decent fans per season as they bring to games.

Perhaps SKY will do the decent thing and leave the £80,000,000 on the table.


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The fat lady hasn't sung yet. I nearly renewed after they announced they wouldn't be voting for Newco getting back into the SPL then they topped it by coming up with the Div 1 pish.

Until it's confirmed by the SFA/SPL that they are starting in Div 3 my money is staying in my bank account. I wouldn't put anything past the incompetent tits who are in charge of our game and would trust them as far as I could throw them

As soon as that confirmation comes, I'll renew:agree:

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This.

I wouldnae trust these scheming *******s as far as I could throw a grand piano. Once I see the fixture lists published and confirmed with them in division 3 then I'll make my move and no before

I think many fans will be waiting to see the outcome of the forthcoming SPL summit - if they try any funny stuff with a hastilly assembled SPL2 I think we can expect a host of supporters to turn their backs on the game in Scotland out of pure disgust at the two-faced hypocracy of it all.

If on the other hand, the SPL continue to plow the furrow of sporting integrity then I would expect an upsurge in ST sales around the country as those with the means to do so register their approval at justice being upheld.

I'm not quite in good enough financial shape to go for a ST at the mo but expect to be registering my approval at the right outcome by heading down the shop and purchasing a new home top and by getting to as many games as possible in the new season.

I would be utterly amazed if the rumours about a hastilly convened SPL2 did come to fruition - with all that has happenned it would be an exercise in outright stupidity as the SPL clubs would be throwing away at a stroke all of the goodwill and respect built up amongst their supporters as this whole sorry episode has unfolded.

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The Old Firm are not a big draw for Hibs fans. An early OF game at ER tends to pack in a decent Hibs support, when new season optimism is high. In subsequent games however, there are often far less Hibs fans than there would be for games against M'well, A'deen, DU etc, the crowd inflated by a full away end.

This is because few supporters enjoy witnessing the ugly triumphalism of a sectarian, cheating bigot fest.

This to me is that fundamental lie about the drawing power of Rangers. They (and Celtic) drive away as many decent fans per season as they bring to games.

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:agree: Very true Bob - something that is starkly demonstrated by the widespread tendency of parents NOT to take their younger kids along to games vs the OF for fear of exposing them to the threat of violence as well as the whole nauseating bileous bigot fest which unfailingly unfolds.

Dashing Bob S

I am right with you.

Hibs home support against the Old Firm has dwindled over the years and I put it down to the bigoted sectarian bile which spills out of the away end.

Losing Old Firm income can easily be made up by increased home crowds, obviously depending on some decent results.

Look at the crowd at the home game against Dunfermline as an example. The Cup Final (ouch) could have been sold out three times over and not an Old Firm sectarian bigot in sight. Did we rely on Rangers for any of that income?

Hibs (and Scottish Football) WILL survive the 'Rangers' debacle. All it needs is some strong leadership, good marketing and SPORTING INTEGRITY.

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Dashing Bob S

I am right with you.

Hibs home support against the Old Firm has dwindled over the years and I put it down to the bigoted sectarian bile which spills out of the away end.

Losing Old Firm income can easily be made up by increased home crowds, obviously depending on some decent results.

Look at the crowd at the home game against Dunfermline as an example. The Cup Final (ouch) could have been sold out three times over and not an Old Firm sectarian bigot in sight. Did we rely on Rangers for any of that income?

Hibs (and Scottish Football) WILL survive the 'Rangers' debacle. All it needs is some strong leadership, good marketing and SPORTING INTEGRITY.

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If you are talking about match day ticket sales - then over the course of a season I would agree :agree:

If you mean income generally from OF participation then i'm afraid thats a different story and we along with other clubs are going to suffer massively from the reduction in central revenue and falling distributed shares due to colapse of TV deals and changes to sponsorship agreements both centrally and on a club basis.

(still think Div 3 is correct outcome - but I do not share optimism of some as to how the financial fall out can be overcome. Lots wanted decision far less are willing or able to do whats needed to prevent harm being done)

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I think many fans will be waiting to see the outcome of the forthcoming SPL summit - if they try any funny stuff with a hastilly assembled SPL2 I think we can expect a host of supporters to turn their backs on the game in Scotland out of pure disgust at the two-faced hypocracy of it all.

If on the other hand, the SPL continue to plow the furrow of sporting integrity then I would expect an upsurge in ST sales around the country as those with the means to do so register their approval at justice being upheld.

I'm not quite in good enough financial shape to go for a ST at the mo but expect to be registering my approval at the right outcome by heading down the shop and purchasing a new home top and by getting to as many games as possible in the new season.

I would be utterly amazed if the rumours about a hastilly convened SPL2 did come to fruition - with all that has happenned it would be an exercise in outright stupidity as the SPL clubs would be throwing away at a stroke all of the goodwill and respect built up amongst their supporters as this whole sorry episode has unfolded.

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That would be fantastic BH

I for one am still a bit sceptical about this happening to any significant level. Its easy to muster fan power when all you need them to do is commit themselves to not spending any money or move away from their keyboards.

When it comes to spending £20 every other Saturday or walking out of the house into the freezing cold in order to show football your appeciation of its decision to give you what you demanded of it. Or making a commitment to try and save your club from the fallout of the decision you demanded it make.

Well ... thats a different story.

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As many people as possible turn up at the first home game, fill the stadium and show "Rangers defunct", Regan and Doncaster that we CAN survive without the cheats.
18-19,000 at the first home game will show what we can do.
I will, who else thinks it is worth it.?

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A huge "No to Newco" turnout has been mooted for the first fixture against "Club 12"

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A huge "No to Newco" turnout has been mooted for the first fixture against "Club 12"

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Which is a great idea...if ever the administrators get round to telling club 12 who they are before the season starts :rolleyes:

9909 -

That was our average home attendance last season.

That's the figure we have to surpass this year to show an increased attendance without Newco.

Surely we can show Doncaster, Regan, et al that we were right, they were wrong.

If there was ever a reason or a season to just go along and cheer Hibs on, then this is it.

Put the last few seasons behind us and, irrespective of performances or results, lets get along and have a higher home attendance this season than last!

Do whatever it takes, bring a mate, take the kids, hell even drag the wife along!

9909- we can beat that!

Glory Glory!

the clubs needs to sign some decent players and we will get the fans back - what was have now is no where good enough for top 6

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the clubs needs to sign some decent players and we will get the fans back - what was have now is no where good enough for top 6

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But that's where we come in. The more season tickets bought = the more/better players we can sign!

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the clubs needs to sign some decent players and we will get the fans back - what was have now is no where good enough for top 6

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Um - I think you're missing the point...

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the clubs needs to sign some decent players and we will get the fans back - what was have now is no where good enough for top 6

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This is bigger than just signing 1 or 2 players. This is 2 fingers up to all that is wrong with the game and has been for years. As above, put results, performances, signings etc aside and just get along and cheer them on!

Come on guys back Hibs all the way show Regan and Doncaster and the huns we are here to stay.
Full house for the Hearts game
No excuses get tickets bought now lets change the atmosphere around club.
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Um - I think you're missing the point...

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no I think you are missing the point, the hard core have renewed it the next level that needs enticed, better produce more customers - simply business i'm afraid and unless the team has someone worth watching then i'm afraid the 'full house' signs will not be required

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no I think you are missing the point, the hard core have renewed it the next level that needs enticed, better produce more customers - simply business i'm afraid and unless the team has someone worth watching then i'm afraid the 'full house' signs will not be required

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What you say is true, however in this thread the poster is forgetting about how we do ourselves in a matter of speak, but saying fans should come out to show the SPL doesn't need Rankers and prove the clowns in charge of the league wrong.

With or without Rangers I was renewing my season ticket. I've never included Rangers in my decision to get a season ticket. This isn't an uber-fan thing I just have never thought of them as a club as I bought a season ticket.

Hibs will always be Hibs.

Hibs don't need anyone else, especially them.

I buy a season ticket because I want to see Hibs at Easter Road 19 times in the season regardless of who we play.

Again this isn't an uber-fan thing. If people don't want to buy a season ticket fair enough, I actually understand why the wouldn't!

But don't let these horrible bunch change your mind. Make up your own mind, they have no right to decide for anyone.

Buy a season ticket or don't. Just don't let THEM have the lasy say.

This fairly drunken post is brought to you by Hibee92.

There's a thread about Hibs being at risk of going into administration, and another asking for the clubs to do the right thing re sevco, despite the financial hit each club will take.

In spite of this, it looks a lot like folk would rather we struggled financially until we get better players in. This is just absurd, imho. The only time I can think of the club needing fans to back it more was at the time of the FTB trying to wipe us out.
Stand Up and Be Counted kept us at Easter Road and the support were there for the club.

We have to stand up for the club again now. Surely we as a support are not going to watch the club take a huge hit and not play our part in fighting back?

As someone's posted above, this season it has to go beyond the 11 players on the park. We are backing Hibs and the health of the game.

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Come on guys back Hibs all the way show Regan and Doncaster and the huns we are here to stay.
Full house for the Hearts game
No excuses get tickets bought now lets change the atmosphere around club.
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I was one of the panic merchants that bought a ST for the cup final so I will be there. Although it's too soon after the final and still a heck of a lot of work to do on the team. Therefore I definitely can't see us selling out the first home derby... As long as we FINALLY put in a good shift in against them and beat them I don't care what the Huns or Doncaster thinks about us.:flag:

good point about the final hopefully after another couple of good players in we can start to bannish the hurt of the final i hope the 20k fans come out and back the team this season.
I think if we can get another couple of good players we may have a good season gk has good pedigree clancy played in team which got to champions league qualifies and cairney was one of best mid players in first divison and will be like pat mcginley for us then there is mcpake he is a quality player as i said another couple and we are looking better as i think claros will be a good player with a preseason.
Regardless of what has gone before lets get behind the team lets bring back the passionto er where players are not scared to perform

What I think scares your Regans, Doncasters, Traynors etc is the SPL doing ok without Rangers, I think that will worry them more than it failing.

Aberdeen are apparently going all out to try and get a sell out for their first game.

Forget the fact its Hearts and if you can afford it and can make it then get yourself along. Hibs need every single fan we can get right now, and if we win the taunting will bother you a whole lot less.

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There's a thread about Hibs being at risk of going into administration, and another asking for the clubs to do the right thing re sevco, despite the financial hit each club will take.

In spite of this, it looks a lot like folk would rather we struggled financially until we get better players in. This is just absurd, imho. The only time I can think of the club needing fans to back it more was at the time of the FTB trying to wipe us out.
Stand Up and Be Counted kept us at Easter Road and the support were there for the club.

We have to stand up for the club again now. Surely we as a support are not going to watch the club take a huge hit and not play our part in fighting back?

As someone's posted above, this season it has to go beyond the 11 players on the park. We are backing Hibs and the health of the game.

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Now is the time for supporters to start supporting the club needs us more than ever. What happened in the past is gone now we everyone pulling in the same direction

Right here is my view on this, and the tin hat is strapped on tight!

I think that the people who call themselves supporters and come out with the lines "get better players in an i'll come back" are just looking for that excuse not to bother there arse.

Supporters go to games regardless of what's gone on the last few years. Yes cash is hard to spare these days and I have no issue with this excuse but the "better product" excuse is for glory hunting members of our support who turn up to hampden and claim to be the best supporters around.

We are the people who have told our club that we will come and buy season tickets in our droves should clubs do the correct thing and have the rangers placed in div 3. You look threw most of the threats regarding this subject and you'll see how many made this claim.

Yet I bet we haven't shifted many more season tickets. if Petrie is trying to get the rangers back to the spl through other means now it's because we the support didn't stand by our word to support the club in their time of need.

We need to stand up and be counted not to prove the Huns, Doncaster, regan, or smith wrong but to show the board we are serious about supporting the hibees.

Rant over!

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no I think you are missing the point, the hard core have renewed it the next level that needs enticed, better produce more customers - simply business i'm afraid and unless the team has someone worth watching then i'm afraid the 'full house' signs will not be required

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I dont think you are missing the point C31.

I think you are just ignoring it. In normal circumstances the result of our last few seasons should be a dwindling home support and you couldnt really be surprised at that.

But as we are all aware there is now a bigger issue, a bigger picture, this has become about making sure that full time professional football continues in Scotland ..... There is a risk that even if clubs dont go bust, that some clubs may have to go part time ... if that happens to Dundee Utd, Killie, St Mirren, St Johnstone then our league will certainly be devalued.

To me for all that folk have been lining up to have a pop at the quality of our game over the last number of years, it has always been a matter of pride that a wee country like Scotland can sustain so many full time clubs.

In order to maintain that and to give our clubs the best chance to get through this crisis, the folk who say they support the game have to do just that ..... support it. We can get back to normal fan stuff like not going to games coz the team is crap at a later date.

I can't afford a season ticket, I'm not sure how many walk up games I'll be able to afford but I'll get to as many as I can. I plan to support the club in any other way I can though; I'll be getting a subscription for Hibernian TV, I'll be spending a bit cash in the club store next time I can get there, and if a membership scheme is offered again I'll be taking it up. The club deserve our backing any way we can right now, no matter how big or small that is.

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Chicken and Egg stuff.

The club cannot keep expecting the fans to step up with £400 for a season ticket. We have a massive opportunity to claim 2nd place this season and play CL football next year.

IMO the club need to go into some manageable debt and invest in playing squad, rather than PF budget only being based on how many STs we shift.

We all need to back our club. The merchants of doom are predicting the game is finished but it is up to us as fans to prove them wrong. For me it's straight forward back our team and directors who have put us fans first for a change. If sky pull out then we hit back at them if the SFA try to noble the vote we hit back at them. This is our time to take the game back.

The Old Firm are not a big draw for Hibs fans. An early OF game at ER tends to pack in a decent Hibs support, when new season optimism is high. In subsequent games however, there are often far less Hibs fans than there would be for games against M'well, A'deen, DU etc, the crowd inflated by a full away end.

This is because few supporters enjoy witnessing the ugly triumphalism of a sectarian, cheating bigot fest.

This to me is that fundamental lie about the drawing power of Rangers. They (and Celtic) drive away as many decent fans per season as they bring to games.

:agree:

Very true Bob - something that is starkly demonstrated by the widespread tendency of parents NOT to take their younger kids along to games vs the OF for fear of exposing them to the threat of violence as well as the whole nauseating bileous bigot fest which unfailingly unfolds.


Thank you telling me something that I am already aware of.My reply was to "Just simply Hibs" when he was asking for Hibs fans to fill E.R.. I said that he was deluded if he thought that would happen and I asked him what the opposition in his opinion would be for this to happen. I then quoted the three on paper biggest games of the season saying that we cant get anywhere near full capacity whilst playing these games.I am of the opinion that we will never see a full E.R. no matter who the opposition is.

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There's a thread about Hibs being at risk of going into administration, and another asking for the clubs to do the right thing re sevco, despite the financial hit each club will take.

In spite of this, it looks a lot like folk would rather we struggled financially until we get better players in. This is just absurd, imho. The only time I can think of the club needing fans to back it more was at the time of the FTB trying to wipe us out.
Stand Up and Be Counted kept us at Easter Road and the support were there for the club.

We have to stand up for the club again now. Surely we as a support are not going to watch the club take a huge hit and not play our part in fighting back?

As someone's posted above, this season it has to go beyond the 11 players on the park. We are backing Hibs and the health of the game.

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:agree: :top marks It seems some folk are determined to bury their heads in the sand over this when it's really pretty straight forward. Hibs - and all the other SPL clubs - will have to see a significant boost in attendances merely to stand still financially this coming season.

As for putting a decent team on the park we will have to hope that Fenlon can pull a few quality rabbits out of his hat, but one thing is certain - fans who decide to withold their support are dramatically reducing his chances of doing so.

Anyone hanging on to the chicken and egg argument really needs to wake up and smell the coffee - if they aint prepared to feed the chicken then all they can be sure of is that Fenlon will have a smaller quantity of lower grade eggs with which to prepare their omelette.

Assuming that lot are still in div 3 tomorrow night you can be sure that the goalposts will be moved again and the next reason for not buying a ST, or going to the games, will be wanting to know what Petrie's involvement has been.

I do believe in backing the club although they certainly haven't done the 'decent thing' they've done anything but the decent thing

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Garbage. They voted to exclude Sevco from the SPL which is exactly what was originally demanded. Regan quite rightly got a lot of flak for talking down Scottish football. Ironic really that a lot of his critics on here will quite happily talk their own club down all the time.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Garbage. They voted to exclude Sevco from the SPL which is exactly what was originally demanded. Regan quite rightly got a lot of flak for talking down Scottish football. Ironic really that a lot of his critics on here will quite happily talk their own club down all the time.

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They voted tae exclude sevco from the SPL but tried tae bully them in tae the 1st division, that's no quite the same thing.

I will be back and I will have a season ticket when and only when I see those fixtures published with them in the 3rd division and there is absolutely nae room for any further other underhand maneuvering. I wouldnae trust any of these ***** as far as I could throw a grand piano and that includes Petrie, I wouldnae believe them if they telt me it was Sunday today.

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Originally Posted by Mikey

Assuming that lot are still in div 3 tomorrow night you can be sure that the goalposts will be moved again and the next reason for not buying a ST, or going to the games, will be wanting to know what Petrie's involvement has been.

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Mikey, i read this web site every day, and maybe its me, but i dont see anyone moving the goalposts?

Its another of these if you say it enough times, it becomes a fact?

What i have seen is the club chairmen of every club reacting to the pressure put on them, by enough supporters not willing to put up with those in authority trying to bully and brain wash us into accepting something akin to the WWF.

As i said before, if you were happy with that, then fine, but i'm glad, and proud enough of us actually had enough of a backbone to stand up to these idiots running the game, and were not prepared to accept being bent over and buggered, then expected to pay for it too.

Dont get me wrong, i love going to the football, its the best day of the week, but i was not prepared to go KNOWING it was fixed.

The next stage is coming up, the restructuring of the game from top to bottom, we still at this minute in time, have the same crooks running the game. Perhaps fan power can change that too, i hope they can?

Doing nothing is not an option, in fact its adding to the problem in my opinion. The fans, well some of them have shown the way forward, its time for us all to have our voices heard, and get these changes the game needs, for the better of everyone.

Forget the bigots , english seeking want to levers.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Garbage. They voted to exclude Sevco from the SPL which is exactly what was originally demanded. Regan quite rightly got a lot of flak for talking down Scottish football. Ironic really that a lot of his critics on here will quite happily talk their own club down all the time.

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It's the duplicity of Rod Petrie I'm referring to

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...ked-email/2305

Doesn't matter what role he was fulfilling at the time in my opinion - he's a fundamental part of running Hibernian Football Club

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

It's the duplicity of Rod Petrie I'm referring to

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...ked-email/2305

Doesn't matter what role he was fulfilling at the time in my opinion - he's a fundamental part of running Hibernian Football Club

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Unless of course Rod is seen, or sees himself, as the next Chief Executive of the SFA (or new body). Which I think he does (and others do too).

I was a supporter of Rod until two seasons ago when I thought he hid behind statements, many of which were economical with the truth, and when he steadfastly refused to accept real blame for Hibs' poor position and mismanagement. Regards the Rangers fiasco, I think he is being found out, and quelle suprise, silent. He only speaks when wanting something - more often than not, fans paying more money, due to his (and staffs) poor management.

Last three years the football has been poor, the discipline has been poor, the recruitment has been poor, the finances have been poor.

He should have stood down, or aside, after the Calderwood bungle.

Hibernian need a fresh approach, a new energy behind the scenes, and innovative and aggressive marketing. Rod, like the team, is stale. Both Hibs and Rod need a fresh challenge IMHO.

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

It's the duplicity of Rod Petrie I'm referring to

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...ked-email/2305

Doesn't matter what role he was fulfilling at the time in my opinion - he's a fundamental part of running Hibernian Football Club

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And have Rangers benefitted from any of this alleged duplicity?

What has been leaked is an email in which the Chief executive asked if RP "could" brief CG so that there were "no surprises". Other posters have pointed out why RP was the man for this or, alternatively, could someone explain how Rangers have benefitted from RP's involvement?

It appears that we have all got the outcome we wanted but it still seems that Petrie is to blame.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

And have Rangers benefitted from any of this alleged duplicity?

What has been leaked is an email in which the Chief executive asked if RP "could" brief CG so that there were "no surprises". Other posters have pointed out why RP was the man for this or, alternatively, could someone explain how Rangers have benefitted from RP's involvement?

It appears that we have all got the outcome we wanted but it still seems that Petrie is to blame.

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There would have been nae need for any meetings and there would have been "nae surprises" for anybody if they'd all stuck tae the rules that were in place instead of scheming.

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

There would have been nae need for any meetings and there would have been "nae surprises" for anybody if they'd all stuck tae the rules that were in place instead of scheming.

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The problem is there aren't any hard and fast rules to cover insolvencies. It's just Scottish custom and practice that liquidated teams have to start again (Third Lanark, Clydebank, Airdrie, Gretna). That's why you have clubs voting on each proposal. If there were rules specifically covering what has happened then the only vote would have been amongst SFL clubs to determine who filled the SFL3 vacancy. If it hadn't been for the pressure by us fans (and this cackhanded scheme led by Regan to place them in SFL1) then they would have been voted into the SPL with some sanctions attached.

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

There would have been nae need for any meetings and there would have been "nae surprises" for anybody if they'd all stuck tae the rules that were in place instead of scheming.

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I'm with you all the way, but its clear to me, Doncaster and Regan have been hell bent on getting newco firstly into the SPL, then when that didnt work, into Div 1. Now i have no way of telling if Petrie has been behind their moves, but i can only go with the facts.

He's also been on the inside, perhaps using his influence to get the results we see today. As i say, i can only go with the facts as i see them at present, and i have not seen one piece of evidence that tells me Petrie has backed any of what those pair of clowns have said and tried to implement.

The position he's in with the SFA, gives him the platform to speak on this, i may be wrong but silence can sometimes be a good thing too, its not always a sign of guilt?

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

They voted tae exclude sevco from the SPL but tried tae bully them in tae the 1st division, that's no quite the same thing.

I will be back and I will have a season ticket when and only when I see those fixtures published with them in the 3rd division and there is absolutely nae room for any further other underhand maneuvering. I wouldnae trust any of these ***** as far as I could throw a grand piano and that includes Petrie, I wouldnae believe them if they telt me it was Sunday today.

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This is where I'm at.

I want Petrie to explain his actions in this debacle, and I want Doncaster and Regan removed from office. To me, they are just as much cheats as David Murray and co, just a little less competent and ambitious. I doubt their can be any faith in the footballing authorities until they've gone. And I say this because most people still believe that they are actively conspiring to circumvent the democratic vote and push the Huns further up the footballing structure, by any possible means.

At the end of the day, we can't have a chairman at our club who is stuck in 2 minds about this fiasco. We need a chairman who is for the benefit of the club and the long term benefit of the game.

Theres currently no hard proof to tell us where RP stands when wearing his SFA hat. Although I would like to think that it doesn't differ from the Hibs one.

He has to have his own opinion and stick with his own opinion, regardless of what role he is playing in. He can't allow his work to influence his opinions and decisions.

He's made his stance quite clear (for the club) and I would hope that its a stance that he genuinely believes in and will stand by throughout all of this.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I'm with you all the way, but its clear to me, Doncaster and Regan have been hell bent on getting newco firstly into the SPL, then when that didnt work, into Div 1. Now i have no way of telling if Petrie has been behind their moves, but i can only go with the facts.

He's also been on the inside, perhaps using his influence to get the results we see today. As i say, i can only go with the facts as i see them at present, and i have not seen one piece of evidence that tells me Petrie has backed any of what those pair of clowns have said and tried to implement.

The position he's in with the SFA, gives him the platform to speak on this, i may be wrong but silence can sometimes be a good thing too, its not always a sign of guilt?

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