Tories are still lying *******s

Tories fighting back, Charles Walker voting against new disorderly protest legislation

They leave me absolutely cold. In fact, I go as far as to say they are appalling. Absolutely appalling, because there are plenty of existing laws that can be utilised to deal with people who specialise in making other people’s lives miserable …
The idea that in this country, we are going to ankle tag someone who has not been convicted in a court of law ... I mean, I tell you what, those Chinese in their embassy will be watching this very closely at the moment, they might actually be applying for some of this stuff when we pass it in this place as I suspect we will.
This is as unconservative as our budget of a few weeks ago. This is not what the Conservative party does, we believe in proportionate laws, like we used to believe in sound money.
So I will be voting against this. I will be joining with honourable members across the house to vote against this piece of legislation.

i know it's a comic,a bad one at that, but sometimes some of this comics headlines are just brilliant

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I wouldn't hold your breath. They haven't put country first in 12 years.

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That is a gross underestimate

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Tories fighting back, Charles Walker voting against new disorderly protest legislation

They leave me absolutely cold. In fact, I go as far as to say they are appalling. Absolutely appalling, because there are plenty of existing laws that can be utilised to deal with people who specialise in making other people’s lives miserable …
The idea that in this country, we are going to ankle tag someone who has not been convicted in a court of law ... I mean, I tell you what, those Chinese in their embassy will be watching this very closely at the moment, they might actually be applying for some of this stuff when we pass it in this place as I suspect we will.
This is as unconservative as our budget of a few weeks ago. This is not what the Conservative party does, we believe in proportionate laws, like we used to believe in sound money.
So I will be voting against this. I will be joining with honourable members across the house to vote against this piece of legislation.

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Their 2019 manifesto has been abandoned completely . Stuff being made up and wheeled out as new policies then shut down ASAP.

Local authorities in England spent millions prepping for levelling up which has been shown to be an expensive slogan.

There should be a general election.

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Thoroughly decent guy, surprised he's held back so long.

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That Andrew RT Davis is a prize cock of a man, absolutely unbearable on a Question Time I had the misfortune to watch.

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Their 2019 manifesto has been abandoned completely . Stuff being made up and wheeled out as new policies then shut down ASAP.

Local authorities in England spent millions prepping for levelling up which has been shown to be an expensive slogan.

There should be a general election.

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The thing is, Priti Patel already enacted sweeping anti protest legislation in the summer. Braverman comes in and just wants to show she’s more draconian than the previous most draconian. The right to protest has never been more under threat. When even Lord Poncenby-Aristo Smythe and his mates are voting against it you know the nutcases and wannabe fascists have taken over.

some thinking Truss is holding out for the two months so she can get the ex PM payment of £115k/year for life :hmmm: no idea if that's the rules but wouldn't surprise me, sickening if so

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some thinking Truss is holding out for the two months so she can get the ex PM payment of £115k/year for life :hmmm: no idea if that's the rules but wouldn't surprise me, sickening if so

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She should be in jail for what she’s done , never mind getting a pay off

Inside 'the end of days' in the Tory party, by
@theipaper


No agreement on 'unity candidate' - major gripes expressed about all contenders

But: "It can’t go on like this. She’s toast

She’s more ****ed than Boris," a veteran of previous leadership collapses says. "When your personal ratings are -70 and the party is -33, there’s no way out of that."

Even MPs with large five-figure majorities are worried about career prospects now

But who comes next?

One MP tells us: "I don’t think Ben Wallace wants it... If we got Rishi I think actually that will be worse because you’d get half the party that wouldn’t back him." The other option is Boris Johnson - "but we cannot do that

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/in...-truss-1919213

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Inside 'the end of days' in the Tory party, by
@theipaper


No agreement on 'unity candidate' - major gripes expressed about all contenders

But: "It can’t go on like this. She’s toast

She’s more ****ed than Boris," a veteran of previous leadership collapses says. "When your personal ratings are -70 and the party is -33, there’s no way out of that."

Even MPs with large five-figure majorities are worried about career prospects now

But who comes next?

One MP tells us: "I don’t think Ben Wallace wants it... If we got Rishi I think actually that will be worse because you’d get half the party that wouldn’t back him." The other option is Boris Johnson - "but we cannot do that

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/in...-truss-1919213

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They have been around for 200 years and there are still millions of idiots who will vote for them. It's bizarre, but they will recover.
If I was a Tory backbencher with a seat that is still salvageable, I would say put Mordaunt in there. Most of the public know little about her, which is what the Tories need just now, as most of them are badly tainted from the past twelve years. All of the other likely candidates would have a big chunk of the party and the public against them.

No one with any personal ambitions will touch the job. If they can keep it to a 97/01 level decimation then they will have done well. 05 would be a miracle. They need a has been or a never gonna be who is also palatable to all the factions in a party that has torn itself apart. Good luck with that.

It's terrifying that we could have to limp on with this for another 2+ years. When a party is looking to crown leaders and is making up major policy on the hoof with no mandate then it should be general election time. The opposition are somewhat impotent though, even if they call a vote of no confidence there will likely be enough careerists in the Tory party quite happy with another couple of years on the gravy train to keep them going on life support.

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No one with any personal ambitions will touch the job. If they can keep it to a 97/01 level decimation then they will have done well. 05 would be a miracle. They need a has been or a never gonna be who is also palatable to all the factions in a party that has torn itself apart. Good luck with that.

It's terrifying that we could have to limp on with this for another 2+ years. When a party is looking to crown leaders and is making up major policy on the hoof with no mandate then it should be general election time. The opposition are somewhat impotent though, even if they call a vote of no confidence there will likely be enough careerists in the Tory party quite happy with another couple of years on the gravy train to keep them going on life support.

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Gie it tae big Penny :hilarious :lolrangers:

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Tories fighting back, Charles Walker voting against new disorderly protest legislation

They leave me absolutely cold. In fact, I go as far as to say they are appalling. Absolutely appalling, because there are plenty of existing laws that can be utilised to deal with people who specialise in making other people’s lives miserable …
The idea that in this country, we are going to ankle tag someone who has not been convicted in a court of law ... I mean, I tell you what, those Chinese in their embassy will be watching this very closely at the moment, they might actually be applying for some of this stuff when we pass it in this place as I suspect we will.
This is as unconservative as our budget of a few weeks ago. This is not what the Conservative party does, we believe in proportionate laws, like we used to believe in sound money.
So I will be voting against this. I will be joining with honourable members across the house to vote against this piece of legislation.

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Deflect off into making disorderly conduct the new headline. Will be lapped up by the core vote, until their fuel bill arrives and it dawns on them that pensions might not be as safeguarded as they thought and the Nasties still haven't sorted out the all important border security.

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That Andrew RT Davis is a prize cock of a man, absolutely unbearable on a Question Time I had the misfortune to watch.

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Yep, 5 minutes in a windowless room with no door is sufficient for a proper man to man debate with this sort of creature. Hopefully the Welsh people have him in their sights.

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Will Truss take PMQs tomorrow? Looking at her over the past couple of days, she doesn't look capable of withstanding it. Question Time will be a blood sport, if she goes ahead; and there is no point from her perspective: she is finished, it's over.

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Will Truss take PMQs tomorrow? Looking at her over the past couple of days, she doesn't look capable of withstanding it. Question Time will be a blood sport, if she goes ahead; and there is no point from her perspective: she is finished, it's over.

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It'll be prime viewing.

Tory polling is ridiculous

Matt Goodwin
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Across all polls Liz Truss and the Conservatives are, on average, 29 pts behind Labour. The last time the party was this far behind was March 1997, two months before you know what

Liz Truss's net rating collapses to a new low of -70 (YouGov). If you want a reference point Prince Andrew is -80

The Labour Party is now more popular than the Conservative Party among Brexit voters. This has simply been a masterclass in how to ***** up a political realignment

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

Will Truss take PMQs tomorrow? Looking at her over the past couple of days, she doesn't look capable of withstanding it. Question Time will be a blood sport, if she goes ahead; and there is no point from her perspective: she is finished, it's over.

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If we are talking about full blown "unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible" why not give Coffey a go in the mastermind chair?

A couple of bottles of chardonnay and a decent Havana cigar beforehand should see her through?

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Tory polling is ridiculous

Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
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Across all polls Liz Truss and the Conservatives are, on average, 29 pts behind Labour. The last time the party was this far behind was March 1997, two months before you know what

Liz Truss's net rating collapses to a new low of -70 (YouGov). If you want a reference point Prince Andrew is -80

The Labour Party is now more popular than the Conservative Party among Brexit voters. This has simply been a masterclass in how to ***** up a political realignment

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Pleasing

Just imagine the chaos if it was Corbyn though.

Redfield Wilton poll out today has Labour 40 points ahead.

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Redfield Wilton poll out today has Labour 40 points ahead.

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Easy on the eyehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8f19975793.jpg

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Just imagine the chaos if it was Corbyn though.

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That has crossed my mind more than once...

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That has crossed my mind more than once...

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Hyper inflation.
Dodgy Russian connnections.
Leadership at the top :faf:
Divided party.
Massive debts.
Winter power cuts.
Strikes.
Rubbish piling high in the steeets.


We’ve been gaslit. And if anyone is genuinely spending time worryingit would have been worse under Corbyn, they’ve been doubly gaslit.

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Shouldn’t laugh really.[emoji23]


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https://twitter.com/wsebag/status/15...cMFuplrXLtViXA
Shouldn’t laugh really.[emoji23]


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Best one I've seen. Genuinely laughing out loud.

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Hyper inflation.
Dodgy Russian connnections.
Leadership at the top :faf:
Divided party.
Massive debts.
Winter power cuts.
Strikes.
Rubbish piling high in the steeets.


We’ve been gaslit. And if anyone is genuinely spending time worryingit would have been worse under Corbyn, they’ve been doubly gaslit.

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I'm not thinking that. I'm wondering how Labour would be doing in the polls, how far they would be ahead etc.

He'd still be getting portrayed as a dangerous bogey-man etc but would all that be put to one side because of Truss and the mini-budget?

I've not reached any conclusions, but it's interesting to think about how JC would have performed throughout the aftermath of Brexit, Covid, Johnson and the current chaos.

Public Order Bill

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Redfield Wilton poll out today has Labour 40 points ahead.

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That's just in the "Red Wall" seats.

It was "only" 36 points across the UK as a whole. :greengrin

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I'm not thinking that. I'm wondering how Labour would be doing in the polls, how far they would be ahead etc.

He'd still be getting portrayed as a dangerous bogey-man etc but would all that be put to one side because of Truss and the mini-budget?

I've not reached any conclusions, but it's interesting to think about how JC would have performed throughout the aftermath of Brexit, Covid, Johnson and the current chaos.

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Yes I agree. Thinking about hypothetical scenarios is a good thing.
I particularly worry that by 2024 when and if the Tories are gone, the UK may be so badly gutted and damaged, and the gulf between rich and poor so vast, it will take a generation to properly fix.