Hibs transfer rumours

I'd be very pleased if we were to sign Roy Carroll.

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Originally Posted by EdinMike

Noted, and that could be a problem. I just feel they could be a good "over-lapping" pair each potentionally filling each others position.

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Originally Posted by monktonharp

I think you are a bit wrong, regarding Leighton,world cup performances while on the Hfc books. If my memory serves me right, he was the biggest stand out goalie in the league, at the time and yet the Scotland manager of the day, decided to opt for Andy Goram, the ex-Hfc ,Rangers goalkeeper, for the three games we played in. anyone, correct me if i'm wrong, or are we talkin aboot different world cups?

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I think you've got mixed up somehow.

Leighton signed for us in 1993 and Scotland didn't play in an international tournament while he was with us. He left in 1997 for the Sheep and was then the number 1 during France 98. It was that tournament that Andy Goram walked out of the squad beforehand, thus avoiding the need for Pa Broon to choose between them.

In his pre-Hibs days, Leighton was the number 1 at the 86 and 90 World Cups with Goram in both squads - the latter as a Hibs player. Ironically, in 90, it was Goram who had a very decent claim to be number 1 as Leighton had just had an almighty clanger in the FA Cup Final and was dropped for the replay.

Edit - somehow I'd forgotten about Euro 96!! As per the post below.

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Originally Posted by monktonharp

I think you are a bit wrong, regarding Leighton,world cup performances while on the Hfc books. If my memory serves me right, he was the biggest stand out goalie in the league, at the time and yet the Scotland manager of the day, decided to opt for Andy Goram, the ex-Hfc ,Rangers goalkeeper, for the three games we played in. anyone, correct me if i'm wrong, or are we talkin aboot different world cups?

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I seem to remember that Goram played in Euro 96 and Leighton in the 98 WC. He had left the club by that point but had played in the qualifiers while with Hibs, having a great game against Sweden in particular.

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Originally Posted by Smidge

I think you've got mixed up somehow.

Leighton signed for us in 1993 and Scotland didn't play in an international tournament while he was with us. He left in 1997 for the Sheep and was then the number 1 during France 98. It was that tournament that Andy Goram walked out of the squad beforehand, thus avoiding the need for Pa Broon to choose between them.

In his pre-Hibs days, Leighton was the number 1 at the 86 and 90 World Cups with Goram in both squads - the latter as a Hibs player. Ironically, in 90, it was Goram who had a very decent claim to be number 1 as Leighton had just had an almighty clanger in the FA Cup Final and was dropped for the replay.

Edit - somehow I'd forgotten about Euro 96!! As per the post below.

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+Leighton made a hash of the Brazil goal that knocked Scotland out of that WC.

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Originally Posted by Smidge

I think you've got mixed up somehow.

Leighton signed for us in 1993 and Scotland didn't play in an international tournament while he was with us. He left in 1997 for the Sheep and was then the number 1 during France 98. It was that tournament that Andy Goram walked out of the squad beforehand, thus avoiding the need for Pa Broon to choose between them.

In his pre-Hibs days, Leighton was the number 1 at the 86 and 90 World Cups with Goram in both squads - the latter as a Hibs player. Ironically, in 90, it was Goram who had a very decent claim to be number 1 as Leighton had just had an almighty clanger in the FA Cup Final and was dropped for the replay.

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:agree:

In addition, I'm pretty sure (though I may be wrong) that Andy Goram was set to be first choice for the 1990 World Cup until Jimmy Greaves slaughtered Leighton on a TV programme just before the tournament started - Roxburgh decided to be defiant and play Leighton. Of course, he was at fault for the crucial Brazil goal that knocked us out of the tournament.

(BTW we did play in Euro 1996 when Leighton was with us)

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Originally Posted by monktonharp

I think you are a bit wrong, regarding Leighton,world cup performances while on the Hfc books. If my memory serves me right, he was the biggest stand out goalie in the league, at the time and yet the Scotland manager of the day, decided to opt for Andy Goram, the ex-Hfc ,Rangers goalkeeper, for the three games we played in. anyone, correct me if i'm wrong, or are we talkin aboot different world cups?

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I think the point the guy you quoted was making about leighton is at the time of signing him he had been binned by Man United and was at Dundee and not even getting a game, sure he was playing in the reserves. Coming to hibs resurrected his career, but when we signed him from not even getting a game at dundee people weren't exactly shouting from the rooftops about the signings.

Leighton was a great keeper but also made his fair share of clangers too, a specific 4-0 new years derby when he couldnt deal with a passback comes to mind. Back then when a keeper made a clanger he wasn't hounded out of the club by internet tough guys though.

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Originally Posted by Smidge

I think you've got mixed up somehow.

Leighton signed for us in 1993 and Scotland didn't play in an international tournament while he was with us. He left in 1997 for the Sheep and was then the number 1 during France 98. It was that tournament that Andy Goram walked out of the squad beforehand, thus avoiding the need for Pa Broon to choose between them.

In his pre-Hibs days, Leighton was the number 1 at the 86 and 90 World Cups with Goram in both squads - the latter as a Hibs player. Ironically, in 90, it was Goram who had a very decent claim to be number 1 as Leighton had just had an almighty clanger in the FA Cup Final and was dropped for the replay.

Edit - somehow I'd forgotten about Euro 96!! As per the post below.

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If memory serves right the only two players in the squad that never got selected during the two weeks in 1990 were Goram and Collins both at the time playing for us. Both got summer moves and hey presto became virtual Internationl ever presents. Funny that.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Hanlon would just have to prove he deserves a place. We need to better at the back so can't just keep the team the same as last season. We also currently don't have a right back and Clancy has played there.

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I think Hanlon's development has taken a battering this past 2-3 years due to the pressure put upon him with crap managers and equally bad signings, Fenlon's probably looking to get an experienced pair at the back and then allowing Hanlon to be introduced once the defense has settled into a more solid unit. There's no doubting Hanlon has talent but too much on young shoulders hasn't helped, taking a wee step back might be what he needs.

@TheTransferLad on twitter seems to think Wotherspoon is off to Sheffield United, couple of tweets on it (not a new signing but still transfer activity).

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Originally Posted by jc1

I think Hanlon's development has taken a battering this past 2-3 years due to the pressure put upon him with crap managers and equally bad signings, Fenlon's probably looking to get an experienced pair at the back and then allowing Hanlon to be introduced once the defense has settled into a more solid unit. There's no doubting Hanlon has talent but too much on young shoulders hasn't helped, taking a wee step back might be what he needs.

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100% agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

If memory serves right the only two players in the squad that never got selected during the two weeks in 1990 were Goram and Collins both at the time playing for us. Both got summer moves and hey presto became virtual Internationl ever presents. Funny that.:rolleyes:

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Goram moved a year later.

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Originally Posted by jc1

I think Hanlon's development has taken a battering this past 2-3 years due to the pressure put upon him with crap managers and equally bad signings, Fenlon's probably looking to get an experienced pair at the back and then allowing Hanlon to be introduced once the defense has settled into a more solid unit. There's no doubting Hanlon has talent but too much on young shoulders hasn't helped, taking a wee step back might be what he needs.

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We cant punt the whole squad (alas!?!) and need a core of players who have come through the ranks, they may not be first choice under Fenlon's new team but having 2 or 3 players like Hanlon, Booth, Spoon in the squad is still necessary :agree:

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

@TheTransferLad on twitter seems to think Wotherspoon is off to Sheffield United, couple of tweets on it (not a new signing but still transfer activity).

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Would love this too be true! Wotherspoon should be no where near the Hibs squad. IMO the Scottish First Division is his level.

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

@TheTransferLad on twitter seems to think Wotherspoon is off to Sheffield United, couple of tweets on it (not a new signing but still transfer activity).

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Certainly a young man whose career has stalled a wee bit at Hibs and may benefit from a fresh start. Good performances for U21's may have brought him to some people's attention.

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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter

Goram moved a year later.

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Auld age plays tricks wi your mind:greengrin Any hoo you get my point they never became International fixtures till they joined the OF. Stunning to think we lost talents like these in consecutive years.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Auld age plays tricks wi your mind:greengrin Any hoo you get my point they never became International fixtures till they joined the OF. Stunning to think we lost talents like these in consecutive years.

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True of Collins. Goram became first choice goalie for Scotland in 1990/91 (his last year at Hibs) after Leighton's high profile errors and then being binned by Ferguson.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...d-hopeful.html

Petrie....sign her up! :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Hanlon would just have to prove he deserves a place. We need to better at the back so can't just keep the team the same as last season. We also currently don't have a right back and Clancy has played there.

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Agree wholeheartedly.

IMO we need 4 players who can play central defence as they are always likely to pick up injuries and suspensions.

McPake, Hanlon, Clancy and the Slovakian would do nicely.

Clancy can play right back and Hanlon can play left back if required.

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

Agree wholeheartedly.

IMO we need 4 players who can play central defence as they are always likely to pick up injuries and suspensions.

McPake, Hanlon, Clancy and the Slovakian would do nicely.

Clancy can play right back and Hanlon can play left back if required.

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Agree and I think Fenlon has said previously that he likes smaller squad but with players who can play a number of positions if required.

I'm looking forward to the next few weeks, I love a signing and I always think new players are going to be the business, and they usually are for the first few weeks!

Has Kujabi ever gone on a mazy dribble like his debut again?

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Agree and I think Fenlon has said previously that he likes smaller squad but with players who can play a number of positions if required.

I'm looking forward to the next few weeks, I love a signing and I always think new players are going to be the business, and they usually are for the first few weeks!

Has Kujabi ever gone on a mazy dribble like his debut again?

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Not that I can remember, was saying that a few weeks back - against Killie on his debut he handled a tricky winger in Dayton extremely well, whilst turning their RB in knots on several occasions. Very quickly became a different player, though even when in poorer form, he did always offer the best balance to our back four of any of the LBs we played last year IMO.

Sadly the cup final will probably haunt him for the rest of his Hibs career.

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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

Not that I can remember, was saying that a few weeks back - against Killie on his debut he handled a tricky winger in Dayton extremely well, whilst turning their RB in nots on several occasions. Very quickly became a different player, though even when in poorer form, he did always offer the best balance to our back four of any of the LBs we played last year IMO.

Sadly the cup final will probably haunt him for the rest of his Hibs career.

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We seem to have a good record of taking players that look good on arrival and dragging them down to our level! Hopefully if the overall standard can be lifted then people's character and confidence can allow them to thrive instead of disappear!

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Originally Posted by Andy74

We seem to have a good record of taking players that look good on arrival and dragging them down to our level! Hopefully if the overall standard can be lifted then people's character and confidence can allow them to thrive instead of disappear!

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Let's hope so!

Hopefully Fenlon can also sign some strong characters that will help lift the team through periods of adversity. Fergie always looks to sign players for Manchester United who have the mentality that he believes is required to play for them. Whilst we are obviously a world away from Man U, there's no reason why Fenlon cannot try and sign strong characters, certainly stronger than those who we have had in recent years - McPake signing would be hugely beneficial on that front.

Overall, the team needs a real injection of pace in all 3 areas, some creativity both out wide and in central midfield, and some solid defenders, as well as some real leaders on the park. Ideally, after being in the job for half an SPL season, I would hope that Fenlon knows what kind of formation that he wants to play in the majority of our games, and will hopefully sign players accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

We seem to have a good record of taking players that look good on arrival and dragging them down to our level! Hopefully if the overall standard can be lifted then people's character and confidence can allow them to thrive instead of disappear!

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Pat Stanton spoke to me in Jan of new players arriving who look great at first. You think "wow we've got a good one here..." But then a few weeks later you see why on their cv they have gone from club to club and played very few games...

Whoever we sign this summer I hope they were established players for a reasonable period of time before.

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Originally Posted by Leitherhibs

This. Ask ant derby fan and they'll tell you just how bad. Ive got 2 mates who are season ticket holders at pride park. They've seen dross like bywater and still rate him ahead of carroll

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Im surprised you have any mates based on the way you have been posting on here. Can you kindly wind your neck in and act with a modicum of decorum please.

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Originally Posted by degenerated

Im surprised you have any mates based on the way you have been posting on here. Can you kindly wind your neck in and act with a modicum of decorum please.

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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

I'd be very pleased if we were to sign Roy Carroll.

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I wouldn't. The guy is an absolute bombscare who specialises in having zero goalkeeping qualities whatsoever.

Never seen making a great save, regularly seen performing like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9guiLTciHk

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Originally Posted by EdinMike

Don't you feel like maybe it's time we tried Kujabi in Left Mid ?! I've heard several people talking about it, and maybe him and Hanlon could make a good attacking/defensive wing ?!

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We tried Kujabi & he was found guilty!! Seriously, I think he'll find it hard to resurrect his Hibs career but I agree 100% re Booth. Give him licence to run at people & he could be the Scottish Gareth Bale! OK, so that's a bit OTT but I really believe Booth has had a real raw deal from Hibs in last few months.

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Originally Posted by brog

We tried Kujabi & he was found guilty!! Seriously, I think he'll find it hard to resurrect his Hibs career but I agree 100% re Booth. Give him licence to run at people & he could be the Scottish Gareth Bale! OK, so that's a bit OTT but I really believe Booth has had a real raw deal from Hibs in last few months.

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Yep, baffling.

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Originally Posted by Dunbar Hibee

Yep, baffling.

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Not really baffling. He was in dire form when he dropped out then got injured I think. His confidence was shot after a number of mistakes, one game in particular when he passed back short a couple if times and I just recall him standing with head in hands watching.

It was right to take him out and keep him out, being close to relegation was not the time to be trying to get the guy through it. We were weak at the back and making mistakes every week. That largely stopped after we changed 3 of the back 4.

The game he did come and he scored covered up how awful he had been for the rest of the game.