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I'm happy for them to feel it but unfortunately it will cause a worldwide recession like 2008. That recession caused an extra 97 million people worldwide to go into hunger. Such is the capitalist system, millions worldwide will die from this and Trump will still be playing golfQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
All that is true but we really need Americans to get back to valuing democracy and their fellow democratic allies. The consequences of not could be even higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
And a side benefit is the tanking oil price will be killing Russia.
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Only positive is that the rest of the world will surely realise we can't depend on one nations for defence, trade, supply lines etc. Europe should have been self protected years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Russian economy has taken a pounding the last few days crude now at the lowest point in 5 years.
I see some politicians are already trying to use this to bump net zero. Starmer pushing back dates on hybrids etc is calculated and pathetic
I agree. There is no good option here, that protects the innocent citizens affected by this and curtails the US government's mobster-extortion approach to the economy and geopolitics. They need stopped, and it needs to happen quickly before it gets even worse and more dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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The President of the United States, dear lord
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The United States has a chance to do something that should have been done DECADES AGO. Don’t be Weak! Don’t be Stupid! Don’t be a PANICAN (A new party based on Weak and Stupid people!). Be Strong, Courageous, and Patient, and GREATNESS will be the result!
Some interesting repliesQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Well if the Whitehouse are saying it's "Fake News" then that's that theory scuppered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Didn't the EU offer Trump 0% tariffs last time round and he turned them down? Who's speculating that he wants that now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I'll be amazed if he has a coherent plan like that.
Children with measles are dying in America.
There's also that there is zero chance Trump wants 0% tariffs on the EU when that would exasperate the fake problem he has in a trade deficit. He said yesterday “We put a big tariff on Europe. They are coming to the table; they want to talk, but there’s no talk unless they pay us a lot of money on a yearly basis—not just for the present, but also for the past"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
He thinks the EU owes them for every year there was a deficit and wants to bring it as close to even or preferably surplus. It's so daft
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The opinion and editorial pieces in the Washington post are almost universally negative to Trump and his administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Even the Bezos decision for the paper to not endorse a candidate in the election was panned by all the contributing opinion pieces as well as being criticised by the editorial board.
The tv news media in the US is awful across the political spectrum but I think they have some excellent newspapers.
I agree with you, I was alluding to the Post doing what it did to Nixon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Off the bar
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[QUOTE=Bostonhibby;7932470]I agree with you, I was alluding to the Post doing what it did to Nixon.
That would require a functioning congress and Republican Party prepared to impeach him when presented with the evidence. The fact they whitewashed the Jan 6th stuff and didn’t impeach him on that let him know he could do whatever the **** he wants.
The New York Times had that 8 page pull out special during his first term which detailed in indisputable detail the various frauds (mortgage and tax) his business empire was built on. It made no difference.
It doesn’t matter what any journalist digs up now because the US is truly post truth and the MAGA lot will just call it fake news and a witch hunt and it’ll make no difference.
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[QUOTE=Off the bar;7932493]Yep, he's neutered the democratic checks and balances whilst taking autocratic control at the same time as surrounding himself with inadequate weirdos who are promoted way above their ability and intellect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
An enormous cult like following hanging on his every nonsensical word.
Not dissimilar to where Hitler was around 1934-5.
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[QUOTE=Bostonhibby;7932503]Quote:
Originally Posted by Off the bar
This from threads
Ok. I’m shaking. This is my first thread. My small business that I’ve had for 20 years is probably dead as of now. Trump and his idiotic tariffs killed my livelihood, my families business today.
Just now, I got a small shipment via UPS of products my customers are waiting for.
…A small box. A small box of stuff that can’t be made in the USA because we don’t have the materials here.
The tariff bill I have to pay the US government is $5,000.
$5000 needs to be paid up front. How can I stay in business unless I jack up prices now? As a small business I’ve always prided myself on giving …great customer service and lowest possible prices. This is NOT sustainable.
NOT ONE economist says tariffs will be good for the country. If me, an average American is already feeling this and will have to possibly shut my business of 20 years…then I know we are ALL in danger of a collapsing economy.
…All for a vanity act of a narcissistic president that knows nothing about business.
America will be his 7th bankruptcy.
No, I didn’t vote for him. I knew this would end badly in 2016 when he came down that golden elevator in Trump tower. A TV reality star that was playing a role. An act. An unserious man, a felon and a SAer.
…I know I’m writing into a void, none of my post are ever read…but thanks Threads, I needed to vent.
And…if you own a small business, don’t order products from oversees anymore until you jack up your prices to cover your losses. I’m sorry for my loyal customers, some have been with me for 20 years and I love them all. TARIFFS ARE A TAX ON US ALL!
Time to buckle up.
Feel very sorry for this person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Many decent Americans will be victims here but the orange fuhrer won't care about this one as he didn't vote for him so isn't one of his foot soldiers.
Hopefully many of his voters and supporters will have their equivalent experience too.
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Feel sorry for those that didn’t vote for him but not for a single person who did. They need to feel the full force. They knew it was going to be very bad for some people and were happy so long as it wasn’t them. Now it’s them and they fully deserve what’s coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Absolutely zero sympathy for anybody that voted for Trump. As you say, a vote for Trump was very clearly a big **** you to the people it was going to **** over. So many of them were just too stupid to see they were part of that group.
If you voted for Trump, you are everything that is wrong with humanity.
Yep, classic Nazi Party tactics, divide and rule, create hate targets and hide your real agenda, in this case it feels like there are very few boundaries and it's a cult of "self".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It is so poorly planned that there's no way Trump supporters aren't going to be affected, it comes down to how many of them aren't able to see it, or admit it. He might still be shooting very thick fish in a giant barrel.
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I know it would be nigh on impossible, but has there ever been a calculation of what a completely American made iPhone or something similar (or at least as much as humanly possible) would cost if it was completely built in the states? From the building of the factories, manufacturing, labour etc, it would be an interesting calculation.
If we use an iPhone as an example, they cost about $1300 right now I think. Would it be an exaggeration to suggest they’d have to increase in price to about $15000?
It's a great question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Cleverer people than me were talking yesterday about how the Americans will either have to work for the same wages as the Vietnamese, Chinese and Mexicans or pay sky high prices for similar products to maintain wage expectation in the States. And that's before you factor in available skills.
And all this whilst they are hounding out potential "foreign" labour and seeing favourable trade deals being struck between countries they have hit with tariffs.
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I was listening to an American economist yesterday and he used the iPhone production as an example to demonstrate the cost of US vs Chinese manufactured. He said $20000 was not an unreasonable estimate. Mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I saw a figure of £30000 quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
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Maybe the orange guy is going to solve it with bleach, or get all those penguins visas?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
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Thanks all. That truly is an unbelievable thought, and that’s just one item. Throw in TVs, vehicles, furniture, car parts and a million and one other things and the numbers become absolutely insane.
I saw an explanation regarding a tangerine and even the description around the price of that was mental. Things like the nets you buy them in, the labels, the transportation of them, the tractors that they are moved around in, the warehouses they’re stored in, the shops that are built to sell them and lots of other bits and pieces that would all sky rocket in price.