Starmer still in favour of supplying them with weapons. And let’s face it, he only whispered for a ceasefire.Quote:
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Starmer still in favour of supplying them with weapons. And let’s face it, he only whispered for a ceasefire.Quote:
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That's no Starmer, they should ask Starmer today after this though. He has to call for Germany and the US to stop sending non defensive weapons regardless, its a genocide as it has been for decades. I doubt he will though he'll just tow the line with AmericaQuote:
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Shameful. I don’t need any more reasons not to vote Labour but if I did this would be itQuote:
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UK citizens being killed and just a shrug of the shoulder from Sunak and Starmer.Quote:
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No chance they want to upset their Zionist supporters
I'm sure every paper in the world is the same.Quote:
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Every country will operate its own “ hierarchy of death” with cooperation from the mediaQuote:
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Our govt is responsible for our citizens first and foremost. It’s the most important thing they are for. If they are not outraged about another nation killing our citizens then they are failing in their number one duty.Quote:
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No argument from me, British citizens are at the top of the hierarchy of death in this country
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No questions allowed.
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That’s democracy for youQuote:
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Surely he will have to answer questions in the House of Commons. Oh wait a minute!Quote:
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Israel seems to be a bit like one of those big mad dogs that some people get and then neglect to discipline or train. The owner deludes themselves that they are in control and then acts all bewildered when their out of control dog goes nuts and attacks someone.
The USA and much of Europe has deluded themselves into believing they can control Israel and that is now being shown to be a myth, Israel is going to continue to do what it wants when it wants and doesn't fear it's supposed masters. I suppose one option that might work would be to stop feeding the dog (by feeding I mean supplying arms not literally trying to starve Israeli citizens) but there is money to be made in war so that is never going to happen.
Maybe Starmer is on annual leave?Quote:
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Think they said he approved Lamey the shadow foreign secretaries response on the 3rdQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
"@DavidLammy
·
Apr 3
.
@UKLabour
’s message to
@David_Cameron
and
@RishiSunak
’s
@Conservatives
is clear. Publish the legal advice now.
If it says there is a clear risk that UK arms might be used in a serious breach of international humanitarian law, it's time to suspend the sale of those arms"
Don't think they should be waiting on legal advice genocide is clear. Even if it's only defensive weapons ie Air defence that I think we should obviously send, our contribution is so tiny (0.1% of arms last year) that they should just say none at all.
Even if they upset them they should ask Germany and the US to stop supplying the 99% of arms that are definitely offensive and killing Palestinians.
Year to October 2023 trade between the UK and Israel was £6.4 billion, not a huge amount but is it worth considering a total ban on trade with Israel until they withdraw troops from gaza and Ceasefire is established? Something for the UN to consider?
We can’t even agree to stop arming them. Isreal should have been sanctioned years ago the same way South Africa was. And we should be boycotting Israeli companies.Quote:
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If you think it's difficult to get the media or politicians in the UK to criticise Israel's actions, you should watch the German news.
They supply nearly 40% of all Israel's offensive weapons, being used to murder innocent civilians and anybody else that takes their fancy, and almost complete silence.
As someone that loves Germany, and normally stands up for them at every opportunity, I find this deeply disturbing.
There's a big furore around Owen Jones saying German guilt about the holocaust is enabling a current day genocide but I understand. Germans are probably my favourite people and the way they deal with the holocaust is fantastic, face on. In every cities there are memorials and a world away from our chest beating spitfire pish.
Olaf Scholz said defending Israel is Germanys
raison d'etre I understand that. Israel has to be able to defend itself or it will get wiped out Germany could make that it's mission. Israel has went beyond that for 50 years its not a plucky Ukraine fighting for its life its on the offensive committed to genocide of a smaller partner. As we've seen with the US only giving Ukraine a tiny and very specific arsenal of weapons that can't hit Russia, the same must be done to Israel. Germany the US and the UK can't give weapons that are being used with no thought of consequence. I also agree with no trade with Israel or allowing them into international events and community. They had the right to destroy Hamas even though they have created the animal through genocide, they didn't have the right to destroy Gaza and its children.
Israel defence minister speaking to soldiers says "Talks towards a deal for a temporary ceasefire continue in Egypt via Egyptian and Qatari mediators.
"There will be difficult decisions and we will be ready to pay the price in order to get the hostages back, and then return to fighting,” Gallant said"
Yep, that sounds reasonable. You give us all the hostages and then we come back and flatten / kill everything and everyone. What's not to like.
The images of destruction from Khan Younis is similar to the scorched earth policy employed by Russia in Grozny or the SS at their peak.
And all the while our government still continues to allow arms from this country to end up in Israel. The amount of blood on their hands is overwhelmingQuote:
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A court has ruled that anti Zionism does not equate to antisemitism. No doubt this will upset many who cry antisemitism at the merest hint of protest against Zionism
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...ists-in-the-uk
Germany is putting its case against its part in genocide by Israel at the International Court of Justice. It is maintaining that the fight is not against civilians in Gaza. With over 30000 dead that doesn’t stack up to anything but slaughter of innocents. That’s before you take other things into account.
Biden cuts trip to Delaware short as it looks like Iran is going to strike Israel. They have got what they wanted in funding the Hamas attack in October. The poor people of Palestine were the cost thanks to the genocidal Israeli government.
I wouldn't mind if they were striking military equipment but hopefully no Israeli civilians suffer
If no one supplies Israel with weapons, do you think Iran will stop sending weapons to its proxies?Quote:
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US officials say Iran has launched dozens of drones that are now flying over Iraq towards Israel
Quite alot happening. Iranian state tv confirms the drones and videos of Shahed drones are online flying in Iraq. They also say the Houthis have launched drones from the south.
Israeli official tells the axios news agency they are seeing over 100 drones coming towards them and they will take a few hours.
Jordanian government says it will strike down any drones heading to Israel, if they come into their airspace
So a very successful mission jointly from Israeli, US, Saudi, UK and Jordanian airforces. Almost all missles and drones shot down in Jordan with none hitting Israel. If f35s were given to Ukraine instead of appeasement there would be thousands less dead it seems. 7 cruise missles hit targets outside Israel but everything else shot down from a massive attempt. Will need to see if there will be retaliation, I'm fearful there will be. If only Palestine had defenses
185/185 or (100%) of UAV's intercepted.
103/110 or (93.6%) of Surface to Surface Missiles intercepted.
36/36 or (100%) of Cruise Missiles intercepted
Where are you getting those numbers from?Quote:
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