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So we let them take the whole of Europe and then think they won’t take us as we have nuclear weapons? And you don’t think that will have negative effects on us? Or that funding Ukraine to prevent that is good value for money?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
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The relatives of those killed during the Falklands War would disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
100%. The only way to stop them is on the battlefield in Ukraine. Talk of peace talks is fantasy land stuff. Putin can’t afford peace as it would collapse Russia just as quickly as defeat. Starmer is gas lighting everyone with his chat about peace keepers. He knows it’s never going to happen. He needs to start talking seriously about how we make Ukraine win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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We are giving them a £3 billion loan and the money will be paid back from frozen Russian assets. So £3 billion of Russian money will be spent on British industry in the form of US making and sending 5000 air defense missles, jobs and tax paid to the UK exchequer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
The other aid we sent isn't actual cash it's mostly old equipment we need to pay to be stored. The freezing grannies line is written in Moscow, unless your granny is going to heat her house with a 30 year old anti tank missle
Tory MPs now openly asking if Trump is a Russian asset. I know there’s been rumours but nonetheless. Have to wonder if any UK intelligence is finding its way to Russia via the US. Strange times
This sums up Bozo 🤡 to a TQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Bozo's Russian connections are pretty well established, from knighting relatives of ex KGB officers, attending private parties on their property after dispensing with his security staff, playing tennis with their families in return for donations......Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Fair point, I never understood it was using the frozen russian assets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Jd Vance should visit the families of the over 600 British troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan or the 10,000 injured. Afghanistan was the only time article 5 has been triggered, meaning UK, French, Polish, German troops fought shoulder to shoulder at the aid of the US.
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Bad news for Starmer and Macron. Vance confirms the only US security guarantee in Ukraine will be the mineral deal. He also plays down British & French peacekeeping troops as “20k troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years"
Pretty extraordinaryQuote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
Graham Stuart MP
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We have to consider the possibility that President Trump is a Russian asset.
If so, Trump's acquisition is the crowning achievement of Putin's FSB career - and Europe is on its own
Putin has congratulated Trump and welcomed his actions to create peace. So half of America and probably most of Russia are now singing from the same hymn sheet. The United States of Tyranny.
I don't see how any election can be deemed to be free and fair in the conditions a lot of Ukraine is living under.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I don't see how any result of elections could be legitimate when approximately 10% of the population are living under Russian control and can't vote.
The only way they get a legitimate election is if Russia pulls out. The grandstanding from Trump / Vance / Gubbard etc. is just noise, they know elections can't and won't happen, but their followers seem to be lapping it all up.
https://youtu.be/EC8KRd0sDGs?si=9dCoTibalM8Drt7b
A short animation made during the first trump administration.
There's a few of them.
The rush for "peace" might well be because Russia is teetering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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The UK is giving £3bn in military aid every year until at least 2031, it aint from Russian assets. The extra £1.5bn this year is from interest on the held Russian assets. Starmer may actually be ableto boast about growth in the future, it's just a shame the majority of it will come from UK weapons manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Fair to say that he's at least an unconscious asset. He's been spreading Russian propaganda to his base since the last time round, and it's been working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
…… but is it really? They now have the USA ( by its withdrawal of aid to Ukraine ) effectively in their camp and there are also some European leaders who support Putin and Trump eg Orban and Sulyok in Hungary. With the likely ( in my opinion ) defeat of Ukraine, and control of strategic territories, the ( at best ) ‘neutrality’ of the USA and scattered support from European countries, Putin will, in the longer term, be in a position to stretch his legs and attempt to take control of Eastern Europe. Full scale European war is far from out of the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
The Russian economy is struggling big time but any kind of help it gets could change that. We have to hope sanctions remain in place. It’s very possible it could collapse in 2025 if we keep up the pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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Trump’s next step could very well be to lift sanctions on Russia, to ease their economic pressure and effectively boost their war effort, in payment for access to a share of defeated Ukraine’s mineral resources. He would have to get that through Congress but that’s not out of the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I was talking about yesterday's announcement of £2.3 billion for 5k air defense missles funded from Russian assets. The majority of the previous money is from old equipment, they also quote the full price of purchase. It's a bit like me giving my mate an old box tv in my attic and saying I've given him £1000 as that's what I paid for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Some of the money is for aid in medicine which is to be commended and some for ammunition. Some was spent on new equipment like shells but it's a fraction of our £57 billion defence budget and worth every penny destroying all the Soviet supplies and helping hold back an evil invasion.
BBC news …….. US sanctions on Canada, China and Mexico begin today. Canada has retaliated with their own tariffs. The Premier of Ontario saying that he will have no qualms about turning off energy supplies that the US depend on heavily.
It really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
The battlefield is going very badly for them right now.
The nature of Russian War is that they don’t value human life and sacrifice many men to take land. Their sacrifice has been heavier as they’ve gambled on getting as much land as possible to use as a bargaining chip when Krasnov comes in to make his peace deal. Modern war as the Ukrainians fight it uses lots of drones and is much more efficient when it comes to loss of manpower.
With calm heads and continued progress, the Russians would have been forced out of Ukraine this year. Instead of that, we’ve got Trump.
None of what is currently happening is a surprise to the Europeans and both the Ukrainians and the Europeans have been preparing for all of these eventualities for some time.
All that remains to be seen is just how far onto Russia’s side Trump is going to jump, when, how fast the Europeans are at reacting to that developing and whether Trump keeps his own people onside as he entertains a seismic strategic shift. If they’re skint and still can’t afford eggs then he might have a job on his hands there.
Trump has taken himself out of any peace negotiations now. There is no need for either side to talk to him as he has now given up his leverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Russia does not want peace yet, and they won’t until they start seeing their troops pushed back. When they do want peace they are going to have to seek out Europe.
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Trump needs to remember that the majority of the US fresh water supply comes from Canada 🇨🇦…a few well placed dams could cause major disruption in the USQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Protesting is no longer allowed.
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That kind of move and the wholesale sacking of govt workers is designed to foment trouble on the streets IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Then he can crack down even harder.
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Welcome to the land of the free...Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
US stock exchange lost 3.4 trillion dollars today so far after Trumps genius tariffs