Summer 2019 transfer thread

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

From the "Evening with ... " thread on the main board;

He doesn't say the word "possession", but that's what he's talking about.

"As to how his refashioned Hibs team will play, Paul noted that “high pressing” doesn’t mean bypassing the midfield or playing the long ball.

Citing Manchester City and Barcelona as examples, he pointed out that the high press allows you to win the ball back as quickly as possible.

And you can only play the football you want to play when you have the ball."

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Nope. He's talking about having more control over the game which is entirely different to having possession of the ball.

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

Nope. He's talking about having more control over the game which is entirely different to having possession of the ball.

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The penultimate sentence talks about winning the ball back.

The last sentence talks about "having the ball".

That is precisely what possession means.

He doesn't refer to controlling the game at all.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

The penultimate sentence talks about winning the ball back.

The last sentence talks about "having the ball".

That is precisely what possession means.

He doesn't refer to controlling the game at all.

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Aye. So his philosophy is winning the ball back as quickly as you can with a high press so that you can then get on the front foot as quickly as possible. Retaining possession to get it forward asap essentially.

Go ask Levein what his philosophy is. It won't be far off.

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

Aye. So his philosophy is winning the ball back as quickly as you can with a high press so that you can then get on the front foot as quickly as possible. Retaining possession to get it forward asap essentially.

Go ask Levein what his philosophy is. It won't be far off.

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I had the same worries because I'm sure Butcher's idea was to get the ball into the channels behind the opposition's defence and play from there.

That's why I asked the question about the long ball and by-passing the midfield.

His answer satisfies my concerns. He hasn't said anything about getting it forward as quickly as possible. I prefer to be optimistic about the coming seasons rather than write Heckingbottom's style of play off before his own team has even started.

A winning team is the priority for me, then I’ll start concerning myself with the style in which we do it.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

A winning team is the priority for me, then I’ll start concerning myself with the style in which we do it.

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Very much this for me as well. Couldn’t care less as long as we win.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I had the same worries because I'm sure Butcher's idea was to get the ball into the channels behind the opposition's defence and play from there.

That's why I asked the question about the long ball and by-passing the midfield.

His answer satisfies my concerns. He hasn't said anything about getting it forward as quickly as possible. I prefer to be optimistic about the coming seasons rather than write Heckingbottom's style of play off before his own team has even started.

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And again, pose the same question to Levein and he'll say similar. So I'll judge with my eyes and so far there's been more negative anti-football than sparkling possession and attacking flair.

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

And again, pose the same question to Levein and he'll say similar. So I'll judge with my eyes and so far there's been more negative anti-football than sparkling possession and attacking flair.

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So anything our manager says, we need to take it as a pinch of salt?

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

Aye. So his philosophy is winning the ball back as quickly as you can with a high press so that you can then get on the front foot as quickly as possible. Retaining possession to get it forward asap essentially.

Go ask Levein what his philosophy is. It won't be far off.

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Did see Man City's goal about 4 were getting the ball back quickly and counter attacking, they also play fantastic possession football, you can do both you know.

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Originally Posted by J-C

Did see Man City's goal about 4 were getting the ball back quickly and counter attacking, they also play fantastic possession football, you can do both you know.

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Who can do both ?

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

Nope. He's talking about having more control over the game which is entirely different to having possession of the ball.

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John Collins wanted us to play the high press, talked about the high press a lot, as well as "the passing, the tempo, the movement".

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Originally Posted by J-C

Did see Man City's goal about 4 were getting the ball back quickly and counter attacking, they also play fantastic possession football, you can do both you know.

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I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

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Prove it.

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

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You do realise you need the correct players to do it, we haven't got them yet.

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Originally Posted by JimboHibs

Who can do both ?

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Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal etc.

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Originally Posted by J-C

You do realise you need the correct players to do it, we haven't got them yet.

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I hope you're right.

Gary Mackay-Steven is a free agent.

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

Gary Mackay-Steven is a free agent.

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Hopefully America bound

First I would be more than happy getting GMS in to our club.
On the style of play Hecky seems to be talking about, it links up with having athleticism in the team, something we don't have much of at all, a couple of runs and couple if doggies trying to close the ball down and most give up for a rest !! I seriously just don't think a lot of our players are fit enough ...

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

I never once said that wasn't possible but it's not what I've seen so far. In fact we're one of the top sides in the league for playing long balls now.

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You were at the game yesterday?

Some of the crisp passing and penetrative football from Hibs was outstanding. Ball on the ground, played to feet or in front of the recipient and done at pace. Yes this team has a way to go under Paul Heckingbottom but the signs are already there and very clear that we will see some very good football at Easter Road under his watch.

You mention “long ball”. You will remember the ability of Alex Edwards, to name just one, to find a long pass. Who would refer to that as hoofball? We have players who are well capable of making an accurate long pass and we should use it to good effect. Mallan for one.

I too read an article that had Hibs higher up the long ball table than hearts. However, the article went on to clarify the difference between accurate long diagonals behind defences versus hopeful hoofball. Hibs, it seems, fell in to the former category. There will always be times when a team had to change its style and there are plenty on here who complain bitterly if the team do not change when our normal passing game is not affective in certain conditions.

I think you are are looking too hard to find reason to be critical.

A simple plea to the admins:

Could there be a separate thread for people to put in "so-and-so's been released, could he do a job for Hibs?", please?

Could this be, for once, a genuine rumours thread - i.e. some real links to press speculation, etc?

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Originally Posted by CentreLine

You were at the game yesterday?

Some of the crisp passing and penetrative football from Hibs was outstanding. Ball on the ground, played to feet or in front of the recipient and done at pace. Yes this team has a way to go under Paul Heckingbottom but the signs are already there and very clear that we will see some very good football at Easter Road under his watch.

You mention “long ball”. You will remember the ability of Alex Edwards, to name just one, to find a long pass. Who would refer to that as hoofball? We have players who are well capable of making an accurate long pass and we should use it to good effect. Mallan for one.

I too read an article that had Hibs higher up the long ball table than hearts. However, the article went on to clarify the difference between accurate long diagonals behind defences versus hopeful hoofball. Hibs, it seems, fell in to the former category. There will always be times when a team had to change its style and there are plenty on here who complain bitterly if the team do not change when our normal passing game is not affective in certain conditions.

I think you are are looking too hard to find reason to be critical.

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Agree with that thought our football in the first half was as good as we have played for ages, good movement and passing, was very good to see.

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Originally Posted by CentreLine

You were at the game yesterday?

Some of the crisp passing and penetrative football from Hibs was outstanding. Ball on the ground, played to feet or in front of the recipient and done at pace. Yes this team has a way to go under Paul Heckingbottom but the signs are already there and very clear that we will see some very good football at Easter Road under his watch.

You mention “long ball”. You will remember the ability of Alex Edwards, to name just one, to find a long pass. Who would refer to that as hoofball? We have players who are well capable of making an accurate long pass and we should use it to good effect. Mallan for one.

I too read an article that had Hibs higher up the long ball table than hearts. However, the article went on to clarify the difference between accurate long diagonals behind defences versus hopeful hoofball. Hibs, it seems, fell in to the former category. There will always be times when a team had to change its style and there are plenty on here who complain bitterly if the team do not change when our normal passing game is not affective in certain conditions.

I think you are are looking too hard to find reason to be critical.

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I enjoyed some of the football first half yesterday. That was the best since Motherwell at home.

I think Aberdeen showed us far too much respect and as soon as they came out in the 2nd half and put the press on we were hopeless, didn't have an extra gear and resorted to long balls as we couldn't make even the simplest of passes at times.

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Originally Posted by GloryGlory

Could this be, for once, a genuine rumours thread - i.e. some real links to press speculation, etc?

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:agree:

And if you could rustle up a cure for the common cold while you're at it, we'd be very grateful.

:greengrin

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Originally Posted by DexterStJock

I enjoyed some of the football first half yesterday. That was the best since Motherwell at home.

I think Aberdeen showed us far too much respect and as soon as they came out in the 2nd half and put the press on we were hopeless, didn't have an extra gear and resorted to long balls as we couldn't make even the simplest of passes at times.

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This is my problem with our current players.

If you stand off them and let them play then they can look like world-beaters. Even Celtic made us look good before Christmas by adopting a send-off approach.

If you get in our faces we don't know what to do. We have looked poor against Rangers every time we've played them this season, as this is the approach they prefer.



That said, I did enjoy large parts of yesterday's game. It really brought to focus our deficiencies in the final third though, as we did enough to win several games and knowing how clinical Aberdeen can be, there was an inevitability to our losing a game that we had largely dominated.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

:agree:

And if you could rustle up a cure for the common cold while you're at it, we'd be very grateful.

:greengrin

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I just hate opening this up when there are new posts and finding the "so-and-so's just been released" posts - so what is my reaction, give me something that links players with Hibs!

The alternative is an "other clubs ins-and-outs" thread, keep this thread for Hibs rumours, please! :greengrin

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Originally Posted by GloryGlory

I just hate opening this up when there are new posts and finding the "so-and-so's just been released" posts - so what is my reaction, give me something that links players with Hibs!

The alternative is an "other clubs ins-and-outs" thread, keep this thread for Hibs rumours, please! :greengrin

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I feel your pain, but if the thread was only for rumours, there'd be about 4 posts!

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

A winning team is the priority for me, then I’ll start concerning myself with the style in which we do it.

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:agree:

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I feel your pain, but if the thread was only for rumours, there'd be about 4 posts!

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What we need is a separate thread for people complaining about the transfer thread so people in the transfer thread can get on with puns and transfer suggestions without interruption.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

What we need is a separate thread for people complaining about the transfer thread so people in the transfer thread can get on with puns and transfer suggestions without interruption.

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And another separate thread bemoaning people complaining about the people complaining about the transfer thread and how hibs.net "wasn't like this" some vague undefined period ago. :greengrin