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You have to wonder if this is the incident that will make him go. The rage pre Xmas on this type of stuff was huge, this is arguably the worst example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radium
Have people moved on now or will constituents lose the plot with MPs.
He’s Teflon. He’s appointed his own investigator again who’ll give him another pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
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It’s from his own ****ing PPS :grr: There is no way in the world the PMs own PPS could have the authority to do that without the PMs own authority?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
It’s as if they are trying to see how much they can get away with.
I know Corbyn would have fellatioed a goat while chanting anti Semitic devil worshipping tropes while having a covid restriction busting party if he was in charge, i mean thank god it’s not that Russian oligarch loving nutcase but still, Boris must have some questions to answer, no?
Bojo on the News at Ten laughing when being asked about this story. Does anyone I wonder, still not get it?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status...hJGcDkIkQ&s=19
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Saw that. He's certainly the teflon man, but not so sure the cheshire cat grin is going to go down too well, even in deepest Englandshire.Quote:
Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY
The police would have known this as guard number 10. I see they are “liasing” with the cabinet office rather than investigating. I recall these parties were taking place at the same time plod were driving round our local park threatening people and telling them to go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Met knew what was happening at Downing Street. How can they be trusted?
Cressida Dick must have been made a Dame by Johnson for services to keeping your mouth shut!
The English are bound by class. They believe anything that’s said in a posh acccent.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
At least we now have a idea of how Bojo and other cabinet members caught Covid at the time, just a shame nothing will be done about it as they are in a different league to other ministers who laws do apply to.Quote:
Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY
Having lived down in England for a number of years I completely agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
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This party took place a month *after* Johnson was allegedly in intensive care suffering from Covid. He seems to have recovered very quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunasBoots
If he doesn't go over this then that's it, Tory PMs can literally do anything.
Am I the only one who hopes he doesn't go straight away? Sunak terrifies me, and every time a new scandal like this comes out the more they slip in the polls.
The longer this goes on, the more in the Tory party are involved and tarnished with it.
Baroness Ruth peeks out from behind the ermine:
https://twitter.com/emilyvbrown/stat...54525175078913
He must be reckoned toast if she's feeling free to start her pitch to the next incumbent. :rolleyes:
Agreed. I think we are far enough from the next election that if Johnson goes now, Sunak will have time to come in and repair the damage, and it will all be forgiven by the electorate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Hmmm. When was he in hospital?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Be interesting to see how many Tory backbenchers turn out for PMQs tomorrow.
April 2020Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
Was Sunak next door during the party season at No 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Gove’s absence in recent months is probably telling (or is he still on the dance floor)
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Watching Michael Fabricant on sky news trying to defend the actions of the Tories having their parties at Downing Street. You cannot tell the public to obey rules and then break the rules. Boris must go now and others who broke the rules be dealt with accordingly. Their arrogance is beyond belief.
You know they're absolutely scraping the barrel when Syrup boy is the only one who'll go on telly to defend him. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
Wigs still present in the house of commons.😁Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Have been impressed by Douglas Ross and Ruth Davidson on their stances on this issue they are exasperated at the way their party (sorry for the pun) at no 10 and in the Parliament are acting.
Farage saying Andy Murray is filled with prejudice is beyond belief. We are in the 💩💩 because of his prejudicial viewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Radium
Nasty Nigel trying to remain relevant. He works for GB News for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
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GB news,I need to change my username 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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You'll get more viewers than them.
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https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/stat...944704000?s=21Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
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ach some scousers are ok i guess :)
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I notice that Johnson is apologising for the upset ‘which the allegations have caused’ and not the upset ‘which their actions have caused’. Smoke screening the issue and expecting to be cleared of any misdoing, which will be the case. He appears to be unscrupulously untouchable.
I’m a Whitehall based civil servant. I’ve seen the same take as you on twitter, but I disagree. If I received the same email from my SoS’s PS, I would assume that the “we” in the email referred to the private office as a group and that they were inviting people from the wider department. If the invite had anything to do with the SoS, it would say so. You can’t automatically assume any minister is directly involved in their staff’s social events.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
But if he is there then it’s a slam dunk, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYHibby
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I’ve always said this guy is Teflon and nothing will stop him but I’m beginning to waver. I have a sneaky suspicious that he’ll be gone before PMQ’s tomorrow. No evidence or anything, just feel it’s inevitable now and he will want to avoid one more embarrassment.
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Polls turning against him and Tories panicking about them will stop him, nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Are you talking about slam dunk that he planned it or just did not stop it from going ahead? Although in these circumstances there may not be much of a difference between the two in terms of an error in judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It is possible that a PO organises something, the minister happens to walk by and then decides to stick his head in for a moment (thank people for their hard work, etc…).
Has any EVER tried to grab that man’s hair? There’s no way it’s real.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
Who’s really leading Britain – Boris Johnson or the crazy-face emoji? | Marina Hyde | The Guardian
I’m afraid the only sane response to this is: what?! What are you even talking about? Did you or didn’t you go to a big party in your garden, you smirking fibreglass toby jug? Or do you also have to wait for some veteran civil servant to tell you whether or not you put your pants on the right way round this morning? Honestly mate, just MAN UP.
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Instead of saying WTF is going on here, everybody out now? Because that’s the only thing that gets him off the hook here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYHibby
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I used to be a U.K. govt civil servant myself, although that does not in itself give you or I any particular unique insight on this situation which is so blatantly obvious. The PPS was acting on behalf of #10. If the PPS is acting in exclusion from his PM, arranging his own parties at Whitehall it would be the first time in recorded parliamentary history. It’s a ridiculous suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYHibby
That’s all fair and well, until the party is hosted at the PM’s house, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYHibby
The classic tactic of a racist - to falsely call the accuser a racist. Trump did it repeatedly and millions of his supporters loved him for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYmZ5jt...um=share_sheet
Led by Donkeys as always superb
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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
Same as fans of The Rangers since 2012, calling everybody else bigots as a deflection tactic to their own bigotry
Apparently his new pal Novak lied on his visa about overseas travel. Nigel is good at lying as well, would be at home in the Tory 🥳.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
PMQs will be worth watching today (not always the case).
It was his own garden, he was allowed to go and drink in it. He didn't know other people were going to be there, he was furious when he found out and left immediately after finishing his first couple of bottles of wine. He broke no rules, vaccine rollout, and the matter's closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
What time does this start? I very rarely have the opportunity to watch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
What gets me is surely the police knew that this party was happening?
It's at Midday.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm_cabbaged
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs-today-time-when-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-prime-ministers-questions-live-stream-1395950
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm_cabbaged
Suspect that's why the Met have steadfastly refused to investigate so far. Total embarrassment for them.
I drink in my garden all the time. Who is anyone else to tell me when I can get pished in my own garden?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
If Johnson resigns then hopefully proof gets out of which MPs attended parties. There'll be a fair few PM hopefuls who won't be standing in the leadership election.
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I'd imagine there must be security protocols put into place when large gatherings take place in outdoor spaces at Number 10 (especially when the PM is in attendance).
The Met, or special branch atleast, would have known it was taking place. Although I do have some sympathy with special branch on this, they're not really there to enforce day to day law but rather ensure the protection of the PM and the building itself.
Still not a great look for them.
I agree, they should place a member of the police at the front door of 10 downing street to make sure it does not happen again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
And ideally one that isn’t deaf and blind as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Use of ‘VIP lane’ to award Covid PPE contracts unlawful, high court rules
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...gh-court-rules
That could be fascinating and I bet more than one Tory is up to their ears in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
I wonder if Johnson will favour calling a GE over resigning. I wonder if his vanity would extend to that.
Looks like Sunak isn't at PMQs today.
Johnson "apologises" but still trying to pass the party off as a "work event" "technically within guidance". :rolleyes:
He’s making a half apology here…’even if it’s technically within the rules’ NO ! That’s not the issue.
That's almost beyond belief as a statement.
I thank our NHS colleagues…
Please ask the **** about the Health and Welfare Bill which is selling the NHS off piece by piece.
Resign! Says Keith.
Johnson sounds done.
Starmer is putting the boot in. Johnson is squirming like a worm on a hook.
Lies, lies, lies.
This is much better from Starmer.
‘Lying through his teeth’ says Starmer.
That’s no different to Dawn Butler calling him a liar, even if he puts in the prefix ‘the public think’.
Boris looks rattled. Think he knows his time is up. Keir doing a good job so far.
It's perfectly within house guidance because of that prefix. He's not accusing Johnson of lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Johnson replies along the lines of "It's up to the right honourable gentleman as to how he conducts himself" without a hint of irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
Starmer and the front bench laugh in his face.
If this was a boxing match the towel would have been thrown in long before now. This is painful.
Well, he kind of is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
It’s a ridiculous rule that needs to be binned.
Boris an absolute liability. He must stay.
Subtle but important difference. Think Starmer has done well today.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
It’s kicking a prone body after the victim has had 10 pints and unable to defend himself or even speak. Boris is a dead man walking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
But yes, Starmer did his job.
Wait until the inquiry is completed would appear to be the generic rebuff of choice today, I suspect we'll be hearing this more today.
He absolutely is, I agree with you, but within the boundaries of the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
This must be excruciating to watch if you're a Conservative.
Yet agnoisingly, I can't see how he gets removed unless his party turns on him.
It's a cop out answer. Any of us could stand up and answer with that. Also his so called condolences to grieving families etc. He doesn't give a toss about any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Great question about The PM misleading the house on inflation figures. He was caught out by the BBC fact check people. He refuses to apologise.
Finally, I think he might actually be done. He will drag it out a bit longer in the desperate hope he can bribe, intimidate or bluff his way through as he's always done.
But I think this is the beginning of the end for Boris as PM.
It’s actually infuriating viewing. Important but infuriating. He’s a disgrace.
Hopefully he takes a few political rivals out with him. Wouldn't surprise me if he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Starmer did ok but he's not a great speaker. Dare I say Blair would have torn the PM off a bigger strip?
"I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance".
WTF planet is this guy on?
Great question about Johnson getting sacked for lying in 2 previous jobs and why his job as Prime Minister should be any different
This is glorious watching him get a right good kicking, he looks like a defeated man.
There's more to come. They're still giving him enough rope to hang himself and he's unwittingly helping them build the gallows. Utter arse of a human and dimwit educated way beyond his own intellectual capabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Blair wasn't actually much cop at PMQs either - it's a weird sort of panto environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
He’ll be gone by spring.
No surprise there then, cue more nasty party squealing about how the government needs to be allowed to overrule the independent judiciary. Obviously only when their corruption in cases like this is laid bare.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
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I'm going to go on a bold one here - a general election in the spring wouldn't shock me. Anyone with honour would resign, but he's not and even in that statement he had the tone of "don't blame me, other people did it and I just thought it was a work party" and "the rage towards me...and my government".Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
He's vain enough to do it I reckon.
What might save him is the fact that most of his front bench team and and a good proportion of Tory MPs, will have been at these parties as well. If Boris comes crashing down then so will they. Heads above the parapet and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Surely Rishi Sunak must have been a little bit curious about a party in his back garden?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
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A lawyer deconstructs Johnson's defence (spoiler - ropey as ****).
https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/stat...42549918515203
Dearie me an apology,don't think so. He would have known of the email and if people were in his garden breaking the rules would any person with half a brain not say to the gathering WTF do you think you are doing the country is in lockdown. He broke the rules he should go.
This Prime Minister (Temporary Replacement) bill is getting a reading on Friday. Coincidence? :greengrin
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/2687
"I cannot possibly comment until Sue Grey concludes her enquiry"
https://twitter.com/endometabpub/sta...145418756?s=21
That was last year. How's he still here :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Thats absolutely spot on:agree: everything that was said by him in the commons today was about protecting his personal liability. Its constructing a legal defence. That is always the cas e to some extent in the HoC but today felt more like a cross examination with the accused occasionally straying from 'no Comment' or 'I wish to exercise my rights under the 5th amendment'...The whole thing was an insult to democracy but compelling viewing all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Thats how long it takes. Its getting a 2nd reading on Friday, so maybe we'll get rid of him by 2023:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
He's clinging on that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Like a bad smell :agree: