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I recall that The Rangers played most, if not all, of their season in Division Three registered with the SFA as Sevco. Cant find the proof at this time but don't think I imagined it and will keep looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
I get, but don't necessarily buy, the "emotional" argument though although the ship of Theseus springs to mind.
11th April 1903 :greengrin (I think)Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Something must have happened about that time as there is a whole raft of clubs, some that had been around for a wee while, becoming incorporated around the turn of the century.
HOM, as we all know, became incorporated in March 1903 only to go bust two years later, reappearing as a new entity on 29th April 1905. The emotional argument would be equally applicable over 100 years ago.
You're right about the 1903.... does that mean that the SC win doesn't count? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser1962
It might be that new corporate legislation came about that year, or the governing body changed, or or or.... However, I don't think we would argue that we became a new club in 1903. :cb
I do not play darts that seems obvious now !Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Just recall crowds going crazy and the term One Hundred and Eighty
Ooopppsss
BullseyeQuote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
You misinterpretedQuote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
IndeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
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Fine, but if this club really has no history prior to 2012, why do you care about them and why does this thread still run?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Let's face it - the corporate entity is different but The Rangers is Rangers - same s****, new set up.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30455818
Poor Swally only resigned because he's upset that other people have lost their jobs!!
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What an odious fat man he is. If he was worried about other people losing their jobs, he wouldn't be screwing so much money out of the club himself.
Maybe so but there are some significant differences. First off they really do care that people don't like them and secondly it's soooo much easier to wind the thick *******s up since liquidation :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
Yep, he's so concerned that he is going back up to taking £750k wages. Good on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30475395Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr White
True. This sort of story also annoys me... Rangers were 'demoted' in 2012. They were not. They went out of business, re-applied to the football league and were given a place in the 4th tier.
Hate McCoist with a passion, but to play Devil's advocate for a moment. I don't think he will see taking his last inflated salary as coming from the fans, but from the owners, and better in his wallet than theirs. No way would him walking away(pun intended), mean that said monies would find their way to the fans. Great fun though isn't it ?
NewHuns are the best pantomime in town, and it's FREE :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
Expect them to reach settlement with McCoist this week, however his short career in football management is over. He should never have been given the Sevco job and is walking away before he fails to win the 1st Div with the biggest player budget by far. Back to being Cheeky Chappy on the BBC .. or maybe put in a call to his pal Regan once he gets FA job (hopefully).
All that's left is for Sevco to appoint Butcher before the curtain goes down :greengrin
No wonder the fans are upset - who are these people that claim to be running an efficient business
What a pantomime !!
As for McCoist what an odious man he is what club in their right mind will employ him in the future ?
I remember back in 1981 when he was with St. Johnstone Erich Schaedler commented to me as McC was preparing to join Sunderland " His ego is bigger than his head and it will do him in "
True words methinks !
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Think the next chapter rather than curtain coming down. This still has a long way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
The BBC ban might harm his chances there. And he's been playing the hard man role for so long that I'm not sure he could still find Cheeky Chappy, even if he wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
McCoist has been called out as a liar many times over the past three years and his attempts to manipulate the media have been risible - most recently, leaking his resignation letter (if it was him) and then refusing to comment on 'speculation'.
I hope his career goes the way of Jim Traynor's - downhill fast. These people cared only about themselves and were happy to peddle s*** to cover their own backs. Good riddance.
Jim Traynor, completely wiped him from my memory. What's he peddling now? (Not that I'm really that bothered).
That maybe how he sees it - but at the end of it all - Rankgers cant afford to pay him off - if he does claim this money then he is putting the clubs financial future in jeopardy.Quote:
Originally Posted by crewetollhibee
That's not how a true Rankgers man should act :greengrin
Think he might be on garden leave as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
His garden will be in full bloom then as he is used to wallowing in S***Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
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Originally Posted by jacomoseven
Good post !
Has always evidently had an "ego" problem .
Has too many " if's/but's/maybe's " surrounding him now to return to top flight football managment in the forseeable ( or longer) future
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It's going to run and run
http://scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_...1&newsID=14110
Any idea of the penalties if found guilty?
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1
Mike will need to practice his handshake.
More here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30486272
SFA site isn't very clear on the sanctions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
However, I would've thought that the worst they can do is to tell Ashley to withdraw, either from RFC or NUFC.
A large fine for RFC wouldn't go amiss, though.:greengrin
Mcoist resigning triggers a pay rise to 750,000.. You couldn't make it up.
Loving the fact that Sally doesn't do walking away - in the words of the Hun song - Another "good hun" bleeding the new club dry - another step towards a similar fate to the now defunct Glasgow rangers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stax
I don't blame Sally for trying to bail before facing Celtc in the semi. They could get hammered and Sally knows it.
Whenever I speak to anyone about this they say I'd do the same. I genuinely dont think I would though. If I was a millionaire already and taken a great wage from the club that was clearly struggling financially I'd walk away with a clear conscience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
I actually think it's pretty sad that it's assumed everyone would shaft people for as much as they can get.
I have a feeling that McCoist knows his Club [sorry CWG, the Company that owns the Club ;-) ] is for the knackers yard. He's bound to know that one of the first actions taken if they go into Administration is give him the heave-ho... without being due a penny in compensation.
With that in mind, why work for them for the next X months for 10k-p/w when you could invoke a clause in your contract that gets you 15k-p/w instead?
Is he shafting them though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
For one thing, they agreed the contract with him.
For another, thus far he's only working his notice.
And he didn't have to agree to the pay cut.
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Nope, that was the previous regime.
His PA was emptied....if he cared that much surely he'd have covered her salary...maybe £25/30k tops....drop in the ocean to him....greedy twatQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
There have been so many, one loses count. [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
Think you may be interpreting 'shafting' a bit too legalistically. Footballistically he's certainly shafting them whether he's taking £450k or £750k as he's taking a huge amount of money for doing a s****y job. And long may it continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
She probably picked the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggie
I realise going by the book he's not shafting them, I just think staying on to get as much as he can from a struggling club that's served him well is pretty poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Stuart McCall did the decent thing at Motherwell and I read Paul le guen walked away when it was clear it wasn't working out for him at the old rangers.
Not every decision on life should be based on how much money you can get out of a situation.
Strachan walked away from Middlesbough without a paymentQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not defending him.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
However, I think that the supporters of every club in the country should sign a petition demanding that he stay and that his salary be doubled.
Jim Spence on Sportsound suggesting that Sally is going to agree a deal for around £400,000, at a meeting on Wednesday.
Poor soul. How will he manage on a pittance like that? :cbQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
:agree: Sally knew exactly what he was doing and when was the best time to do it £wise - he will now negotiate as much as he can get for as early an exit as he can get before his "reputation" dips any further - if he really cared about giving the new boys a break he could have walked for nothing - not what he is about though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Another day and Rangers give us not one but two belly laughs: the Sally contract fiasco followed by the SFA charges. This thread should be printed in book form in time for Christmas. It's given me some of the happiest moments of my life.
I'm sure there are other, perhaps more solid reasons, for McCoist to leave, but I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
I've said to anyone that will listen that I didn't think he'd be around when the Celtic game comes. Celtic had a sluggish start to the season but I think Rangers would be raped in the cup game.
I seem to recall a radio programme not that long a go quoting Reagan. Saying they were due to meet with Ashley to give him advice on when he wfould be breaching regulations in relation to having an interest in two clubs in different countries so would assume Ashley knows exactly what is coming down to the maximum amount he can be fined .Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
What wil be interesting is if they do give him ultimatum to withdraw from one club . I am still sceptical but this week will tell us if the S F A have a backbone or not .
How has it taken this long for the SFA to act? Ashley has been running the show for months. The question is what will the sanctions be? Knowing our present set of officials, next to nothing. Rod, get it sorted!!!!! ( Preferably before the 27th). Do you have any sway in the corridors of power, old chum? Tell them to sling their hook.
So, even though the SFA told them what they couldn't do, they went ahead and did it anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
Hell mend em :)
Rangers FC were so used to telling the SFA what to do for years and years they just did what they liked as per usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The SFA have no right whatsoever to tell The Rangers what they can and cannot do. :wink:
Is that *cough* before or after tax?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Side letter anyone?
Wonder if he will accept a deferred psyment or would the hypocrite be too fearful he lost out in any insolvency event?
It'll be a loan from the EBT.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Falcon
Technically we weren't a business in 1891 so couldn't go out of business. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by EdinAyr
The key problem is that with anyone competent in charge Sevco will win the play-off whoever they play against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
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Originally Posted by emerald green
No wonder Regan is getting out of Dodge !
:agree: The club wasn't a business, it defaulted on no debts and was never wound up (in fact its last cash was donated to a fund for a memorial to Canon Hannon) nor did it go into admin or any of the other events that have befallen our illustrious rivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by portycabbage
We could have gone on playing in public parks however a place to play and a structure in which to operate needed to be found - amongst the many who stepped up to the plate to ensure this happened was Philip Farmer, antecedent of STF. More info in the Making of Hibernian - The Harp Awakes - Chapter 14 - Down but not out.
That fat roaster Derek 'lardass' Johnston was on SSN defending McCoist. Spouting a load of drivel. He must be getting a share of Ally's pie shop allowance.
McCall already lined up? Tommy Craig?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazyhorse
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Butcher?
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
He's getting every last penny he can, just like Chuckie. From the club that already made him a very rich man. That's the history, isn't it?
I would pish ma breeks if that happened, purely down to the situation Kenny Miller would find himself in!!! Should've come home lad, should've come home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
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Originally Posted by The_Exile
Ive always thought butcher would end up back at der hun.
Fingers crossed. ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
I think it'll be Billy Davies personally.
Regardless of his shambles of a tenure at ER they won't touch Butcher, he said far too much stuff that irritated them and he slammed the bigots.
That's about the only time I'll give Terry Butcher credit.
I a not sure Ashley would give a monkey's about that if the price was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyM_1875
[emoji1] is he the rangers minded?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
It won't just be Ashley's decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
Butcher burned too many bridges there in his autobiography.
https://twitter.com/DonsTalk/status/535498930680004608
A wee swear word in it so open at your own discretion. :greengrin
Ashley does what he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyM_1875
If he sinks a few pints w Butcher and has a laugh then he won't give a f*** what anyone else thinks.
Interesting. I wondered what the liquidators would say. I get the feeling that there's no love lost between the liquidator, the new club and D&P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Whether they actually get anything is another story. I still tend to think the law is on the side of NewCo. However, the legal fees will mount for NewCo. :greengrin
I seriously hate all things hunnish (not even capatilised , thats how angry i am)
I am glad the hun hoardes are in pain.
Seriously , **** them :flag:
Heard today that the Duff and Phelps liquidators have been suspended by their professional body after being charged over their handling of Huns RIP.
Other rumour of interest is that Ashley only agreed to put the extra £1m into Sevco Huns on the condition that Lewis McLeod is sold to Newcastle in January at a knockdown price.
He's certainly a twat if that answers your question.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
:agree: Fav for the jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Ther might be a bit of a cashflow problem down Govan way
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30510604
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Let's see if they still claim to be the same football club with the same history now. :greengrin
So their not the same entity, unless you're speaking about development fees for young players thati is? I wish they'd make up their minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
On STV last night a lot of talk about how it would be immoral for Sally to take his wage and do nothing for it. But I can't recall any such criticisism of Butcher for doing the very same thing. Talk about double standards.
It just gets worse for them, or better for us.
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...-win-1-3636514
Loved this comment:
Quite clear is the contradictory nature of it!Quote:
Rangers say they will appeal against the SPFL decision "vigorously".
They argue that the company in breach of the rules has since been liquidated.
The timing of this is interesting. Most people would think that this bill had been settled by now as it's about two years since the fine was imposed. The new Rangers have had lots of payments from the SPFL that this could have been deducted from before now with no need to go public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
Could it be that the SPFL believe an insolvency event is about to occur and they don't want to appear on a list of creditors for a sum that they have done the square root of hee haw about collecting for the last two years?
Interesting indeed. Also there's no mention of interest in that article. Shirley that should add on £20k or so to the original fine? Otherwise it would be as if the SPFL had been loaning The The Huns £250k interest-free for the last couple of years, which would be highly unprofessional of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...y-is-received/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
A wee bit info on when prize money is paid
A wee recap anything good that happened in the past same club. Anything bad different club. ****in ratbags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
I've got a sair heid trying to work this out. If an insolvency event does happen it will be interesting to see if they get the 10 point or 25 point deduction. They say they're the same club so it's 25 then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
It's definitely 25 points, for a 2nd insolvency within 5 years, irrespective of whether the owners are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
Fat Sally to work his 12 month notice after today's meeting.
Excellent news for everyone who isn't a Rangers fan:thumbsup:
Rangers, make several office staff redundant one week and Sally almost doubles his salary the following week. The world really is crazy!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronson
Board maybe hoping that fan pressure will make Sally volunteer for a pay cut? (When I say pressure, I mean they may leak his home address, that kind of thing.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronson
Nonsense, a lot of the fans still have a lot of respect for the guy, just sick of his poor management. As brain-dead as their support generally is, they wouldn't threaten him or his family.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I wouldn't bet on them being that restrained if they get into deeper trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronson
Social unrest. Remember?
I like your thinking :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
TRFC appear to be in deep deep trouble and about to press the button on another Admin event. For a club that was gifted £ 10s of millions in assets for just a few £££ and raised further £ millions through share offers, they've made a right royal pigs ear of it. Could not happen to a nicer bunch :greengrin
I'm presuming that if Rangers were to go into admin again, Mccoist would get his full payment, if he was made redundant, if a new Rangers were to be set up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Guess so, as it would be a football debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Would be ironic if McCoist's severance pay was one of the issues that sent his club back into Admin :greengrin The Huns will start eating each other !
If he was TUPE'd over to a new new company, as he was before, his contract would probably continue up to the end of the 12 month notice period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
If he didn't, pretty sure he would only be due salary for the period he worked. The rest of his contract? Don't know, TBH. Not sure if it counts as a football debt for the new new company to take up.
RobinP has been quiet of late.. time to rattle his cage. :greengrin
Was just thinking that he may hang on and get full payment, rather than part payment just now, although he could be taking a risk in hanging onQuote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Thought all football debts had to be paid, as Onion mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I would have thought he would have been due everything that he's to receive, on his 12 month notice period.
Anyone at Hearts who was in the same situation?
I wasn't sure if a manager's salary does count as a football debt, though, as it does with players. Probably does, on reflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
CWG in your opinion how close are they to the big A again?
Kevin Kyle on radio scotland there saying some of the players were on £8k a week in the 3rd division, no wonder they re in danger of becoming 'The The Rangers' :greengrin