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28-08-2019, 07:21 PM
James310

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Originally Posted by allmodcons

I doubt you'll get any answers from J310. He's good at asking questions but almost always avoids answering them.

I actually think he may have blocked me but I could be wrong?

PS - IMO Boris must be a big TSC fan 'same old wealth in the same old hands...................................

Feel free to provide a list and I will happily answer them, if they are serious. Has to be ones I have missed through, no making them up.
28-08-2019, 07:38 PM
G B Young

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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee

According to the polls. Boris Johnson has the hard brexit vote, while the other 2/3rds of the UK electorate are severely divided

Not exactly a master stroke.

Jo Swinson has done far more for the hard brexit cause than Boris Johnson.

No, not a masterstroke. More of a blunt instrument, but tactically significant nonetheless. If we do end up with a No Deal exit and Farage makes good on his pledge to stand down the Brexit Party in favour of backing Johnson in any future election then the Tories would look odds-on to secure a very workable majority - given, as you say, that the rest of electorate are strewn in all directions.
28-08-2019, 07:53 PM
Jack Hackett

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I really hope this is the genuine Hugh grant twitter account.

You will not **** with my children’s future. You will not destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. **** off you over-promoted rubber bath toy. Britain is revolted by you and you little gang of masturbatory prefects.

It is

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/28/hugh-...sage-10647161/

:top marks:top marks:top marks
28-08-2019, 07:57 PM
allmodcons

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Originally Posted by James310

Feel free to provide a list and I will happily answer them, if they are serious. Has to be ones I have missed through, no making them up.

A customary response of yours is to say I'm not the one looking to support change therefore it's not up to me to provide answers. This when you constantly want certainties from those who have a different political persuasion to you.
28-08-2019, 08:06 PM
James310

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Originally Posted by allmodcons

A customary response of yours is to say I'm not the one looking to support change therefore it's not up to me to provide answers. This when you constantly want certainties from those who have a different political persuasion to you.

Well, you will have a big list then that you can share? Come on, back up what you say? Waiting.
28-08-2019, 08:57 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by James310

Dress it up and stick some make up on it if it makes you feel better. It's a fact that the Ken Clarke vote failed by 3 votes and if the SNP had voted for it then it would have been the only alternative solution to carry a parliamentary majority. What would have happened next is an opinion.

Looking back I think a number of MPs and party leaders might be thinking if only we had voted for X, Y or Z then just maybe we would not have the news we have a this morning.

Did you miss my reply?

35 snp abstained, 40 tories abstained and 236 tories voted it down.

How is that dressing it up?
28-08-2019, 09:11 PM
James310

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Did you miss my reply?

35 snp abstained, 40 tories abstained and 236 tories voted it down.

How is that dressing it up?

If you are willing to cut out the crap and the stupid jokes I am happy to engage.

It's dressing it up as what I say remains a fact. If the SNP had voted for it then it would have received a parliamentary majority, the only one to do so. Sturgeon said at the time that stopping Brexit was her 'top priority' but look how that has worked out for her. What would have happened next is up for debate.

Do you agree with Fife that actually the SNP wanted a no deal Brexit all along?
28-08-2019, 09:12 PM
Mr Grieves

Today, heard quite a few colleagues who don't usually talk politics discussing the prorogue and they are raging. Has Johnson underestimated how folk will react to this?
28-08-2019, 09:54 PM
Hibbyradge

I've just read on Twitter that Corbyn is/has written to the Queen to ask her to revoke the permission to suspend Parliament.

Is that true?
28-08-2019, 09:55 PM
Callum_62

One things for sure - twitter is full of raving loons

I've said it a few times but there's a small part of me that wants it to be no deal and for it to be as bad as all the experts says, just to see what the reaction is

If the govts own analysis is saying no deal is up to 4 times worse than the GFC, then it will be carnage and a dereliction of duty to carry that out

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28-08-2019, 09:56 PM
The Modfather

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Originally Posted by James310

I don't mind you because you reply and ask questions in an adult way, yes I get involved with the petty crap with the usual suspects as I will stand up for myself. I will continue to do that, but I would much rather not get involved in all that nonsense.

You deserve a reply.

I am totally against what seems to be playing out, it's completely undemocratic. I would be in favour of a no confidence vote and run the risk of what that brings, assuming the government is defeated. If that's a Labour and SNP coalition then so be it. That's the gamble Boris and his chums have decided to take.

As for Ruth Davidson then I am not surprised she is likely to quit. She has been against no deal and against Boris, today was probably the final straw. I know myself when you have children your priorities change and she will be no different, if she feels that way then I think that's a reasonable position to take. I don't get all the hate towards her though.

I am happy to engage with those that want to in an adult way, or we can keep the petty crap going as well. Funny I see another post saying I don't answer questions, would love that poster to point out a handful I have missed? Serious ones I mean.

A fair reply, I agree with much of it. It would be easy to simply give the Tories a much deserved kicking (and it is very tempting :greengrin ) but this to me is just another example (albeit at the extreme end of the scale) of folk from the same handful of schools & universities (for whatever party) becoming more and more brazen, and worst of all, probably get away with it in the end.
28-08-2019, 09:59 PM
Jack

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I've just read on Twitter that Corbyn is/has written to the Queen to ask her to revoke the permission to suspend Parliament.

Is that true?

I thought I heard it was the libdems.
28-08-2019, 10:02 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by Jack

I thought I heard it was the libdems.

Both.
28-08-2019, 10:04 PM
allmodcons

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Originally Posted by James310

Well, you will have a big list then that you can share? Come on, back up what you say? Waiting.

I'll get back to you 310. I just haven't got the time tonight. My life doesn't revolve around the HG.
28-08-2019, 10:08 PM
James310

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

A fair reply, I agree with much of it. It would be easy to simply give the Tories a much deserved kicking (and it is very tempting :greengrin ) but this to me is just another example (albeit at the extreme end of the scale) of folk from the same handful of schools & universities (for whatever party) becoming more and more brazen, and worst of all, probably get away with it in the end.

I am not sure he will get away with it, I think he may have overplayed his hand on this occasion. Still more twists and turns to come.

There is still time to legislate against a no deal, if anything it will have focussed the minds of those who want to carry it out.
28-08-2019, 10:12 PM
James310

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Originally Posted by allmodcons

I'll get back to you 310. I just haven't got the time tonight. My life doesn't revolve around the HG.

Nor mine, but you seemed to be keeping tabs. Was it maybe the question from Modfather that I answered, or maybe from Moulin that I answered, or maybe it was the question on Ireland a few weeks back, that I also answered.

If you just want to admit it you have it wrong then that's fine and we can forget it, I mean I answered the very question you said I would never answer within a few hours.

If you want to trawl through weeks and months of posts feel free, if you find any let me know, as I am happy to answer them.
28-08-2019, 10:20 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by James310

if anything it will have focussed the minds of those who want to carry it out.

I've seen that sentence said quite a few times these past 18 months or so!

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29-08-2019, 11:14 AM
cabbageandribs1875

legal challenge against bojo's prorogation of parliament led by joanna cherry QC and 70 others starts today in a Scottish court
29-08-2019, 11:38 AM
mjhibby

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Originally Posted by James310

I am not sure he will get away with it, I think he may have overplayed his hand on this occasion. Still more twists and turns to come.

There is still time to legislate against a no deal, if anything it will have focussed the minds of those who want to carry it out.

While i agree he has overplayed his hand if parliament prevents a no deal then that will play to the little eglanders about stopping the will of the people. I fear either we will leave with no deal or that clown will be in charge either of which will be horrible for the man in the street..Just a horrible situation we are in at the moment.
29-08-2019, 11:49 AM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by James310

If you are willing to cut out the crap and the stupid jokes I am happy to engage.

It's dressing it up as what I say remains a fact. If the SNP had voted for it then it would have received a parliamentary majority, the only one to do so. Sturgeon said at the time that stopping Brexit was her 'top priority' but look how that has worked out for her. What would have happened next is up for debate.

Do you agree with Fife that actually the SNP wanted a no deal Brexit all along?

No I don't. There is no evidence to suggest the SNP want a no deal brexit, on the contrary there is lots of evidence that the SNP have been consistent in fighting Brexit, deal or no deal.

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The Scottish Parliament voted to reject the Prime Minister’s proposed deal and to call for a better alternative to both the ‘deal’ and no-deal. SNP, Labour, Green and Liberal Democrat MSPs all supported the motion.

Why would Joanne Cherry and Alyn Smith be 2 of the people that took the steps of going to the courts to get a ruling on revoking Article 50?

The SNP, Greens and LibDems have been consistent in their opposition to Brexit in any form, and in particular a no deal brexit.

As for the original point you make, please explain why the abstention of 35 MPs from one party is more important than the abstention of 40 MPs from another? The MP who brought the motion is a Tory, but 40 of his party abstained, that is an indisputable fact, as is the fact that 236 of his own party voted against his motion. So there you have 276 Tories did not support one of their own party, yet you somehow manage to blame the SNP for it failing. Beyond belief.
29-08-2019, 11:53 AM
JeMeSouviens

I mean Gawd luv 'im and all that but the idea that Fife Hibee represents mainstream SNP thinking is one of the best megalolz we've had on here. :faf:
29-08-2019, 11:57 AM
Moulin Yarns

Yesterday, this thread was quite a good read, until about 16:00. It was after that that a lot of name calling and petty point scoring started.

I've been out this morning so hopefully it won't deteriorate in the same way now I'm back :wink:
29-08-2019, 01:30 PM
Peevemor

Twitter updates from the Court of Session

https://twitter.com/andrewpicken1
29-08-2019, 02:16 PM
CloudSquall

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I mean Gawd luv 'im and all that but the idea that Fife Hibee represents mainstream SNP thinking is one of the best megalolz we've had on here. :faf:

He's head of the line for the Wings Party :greengrin
29-08-2019, 06:22 PM
heretoday

The Labs and Libs should have backed May's deal. Then we wouldn't be facing no deal.
29-08-2019, 07:08 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by heretoday

The Labs and Libs should have backed May's deal. Then we wouldn't be facing no deal.

Europe, Labs, Libs, everyone else's
responsibility.
29-08-2019, 09:06 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by heretoday

The Labs and Libs should have backed May's deal. Then we wouldn't be facing no deal.

Or the tories could have backed the deal. Maybe they were waiting for the snp to back the deal?
29-08-2019, 09:29 PM
lord bunberry

I’m going to say it as I want to be honest, I hope we leave without a deal. It will undoubtedly lead to Scottish independence and that’s what I think is the best option for Scotland right now. I voted to remain and even when leave won I never thought for a second we’d be in this position. It’s time to pull up the drawbridge and let England get on with whatever it wants to do. It’s time we looked after ourselves and put the question back to the Scottish people. It’s beyond my comprehension as to why anyone would look at the current situation and think we’d not be better by leaving it behind. I know I’m being selfish, but I want my daughter to grow up in a country that has the same prospects and rights that I had. I’m a middle aged man that has made his choices in life for good or bad, my daughter is a child that has all that ahead of her. I might be being a bit dramatic, but my daughter is my life and the thought of her growing up in a country that appears to be moving ever further to the right saddens me.
29-08-2019, 09:39 PM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I’m going to say it as I want to be honest, I hope we leave without a deal. It will undoubtedly lead to Scottish independence and that’s what I think is the best option for Scotland right now. I voted to remain and even when leave won I never thought for a second we’d be in this position. It’s time to pull up the drawbridge and let England get on with whatever it wants to do. It’s time we looked after ourselves and put the question back to the Scottish people. It’s beyond my comprehension as to why anyone would look at the current situation and think we’d not be better by leaving it behind. I know I’m being selfish, but I want my daughter to grow up in a country that has the same prospects and rights that I had. I’m a middle aged man that has made his choices in life for good or bad, my daughter is a child that has all that ahead of her. I might be being a bit dramatic, but my daughter is my life and the thought of her growing up in a country that appears to be moving ever further to the right saddens me.

Every single word of this echoes my own position.
29-08-2019, 09:43 PM
weecounty hibby

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I’m going to say it as I want to be honest, I hope we leave without a deal. It will undoubtedly lead to Scottish independence and that’s what I think is the best option for Scotland right now. I voted to remain and even when leave won I never thought for a second we’d be in this position. It’s time to pull up the drawbridge and let England get on with whatever it wants to do. It’s time we looked after ourselves and put the question back to the Scottish people. It’s beyond my comprehension as to why anyone would look at the current situation and think we’d not be better by leaving it behind. I know I’m being selfish, but I want my daughter to grow up in a country that has the same prospects and rights that I had. I’m a middle aged man that has made his choices in life for good or bad, my daughter is a child that has all that ahead of her. I might be being a bit dramatic, but my daughter is my life and the thought of her growing up in a country that appears to be moving ever further to the right saddens me.

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