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Dundee United were getting torn apart down the left side of their defence tonight constantly. Ross failed to fix it despite his half time subs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseen work
Reminded me of our performances under Ross where the team completely failed to turn up. He didn't have a clue in those games how fix it either.
Overall he did well with Hibs, but when it went wrong, it went badly wrong.
Correctamundo. The standard outside the bigot bros has been going down each year. Nothing will change until the leagues are run for all the teams not just two. It happens every season yet nothing changes. No joy at utd score but not surprised in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboHibs
Only hibs game I’ve ever attended, and probably ever will, where I ended up clapping the other team’s performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trinity Hibee
Malmö we’re an excellent side with some top players about to move onto bigger clubs. I was there and had my head in my hands not believing what I was seeing. We were completely dismantled.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3pm
Wow! There's revisionism for you...Quote:
Originally Posted by 3pm
Funny he’s not getting the results and performances just like he did when Martin Boyle carried hibs to 3rd place
The last 2 weeks for United are very Jack Ross.
Capable of something pretty special but will always throw in a few absolute no show performances that get the result they deserve.
And that tonight is exactly the kind of humiliating pish we’d still be experiencing when it really mattered had we kept Jack Ross.
When push comes to shove and the big moments come round, he’ll bottle it the vast majority of times. And he’ll usually bottle it badly.
To be fair, AZ would be capable of that result against most SPL teams, including us on a bad night. I hope PSV do the same to Rangers :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
At least that's the JR love-in put to bed. Without doubt the most overrated manager in Scottish Football.
Talks a good game though.
Celtic and Rangers would breeze by them imo so with that in mind, getting beat 7-0 is an abomination that is really just reminiscent of some of JRs games as Hibs manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
People were desperate to put the boot in to Hibs last week for sacking Jack Ross including some of our own supporters because they fluked a win in a game they deserved nothing from. Over the piece though, in the most important match of Uniteds season they haven’t just fell short, they’ve been absolutely miles off it just as we often were under JR when it really mattered.
Alternatively, he’s gone and the constant digs at Hibs like we seen last season and even last Thursday based around Jack Ross and the reluctance to accept he regularly failed us when it really mattered remains an odd attitude. Especially when that attitude extends to people desperately wanting him to do well at his next club which makes Hibs doing well less probable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
For United, read any of the teams that scraped into the top 6 last season. All were were all as bad as each other and that would have included Hibs had we not managed to escape to the safety of the bottom 6 :greengrin
Yeah Jams still trying to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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Bad result - I seem to be one of the few who still supports all Scottish teams in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Just like I was supporting all the Scottish athletes in the CW Games, all the Scottish golfers in the majors, all the British players at Wimbledon etc. I thought that's what everyone did.
Athletes at the CW were all competing for Scotland and golfers/tennis players only represent their countries during Davis/Billie Jean King Cup, Ryder/Solheim Cup etc or Olympics. Bizarre comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC
I believe every Scottish team except Celtic and Rangers would have been on the end of similar scoreline last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
It was a very depressing night for Scottish football, coupled with Motherwell's even bigger embarrassment a couple of weeks ago at the hands of the mighty Sligo Rovers.
Agreed. I'm not convinced of the merits of Scottish clubbs outwith the big two qualifying for Europe. As you say, if it hadn't been United it would have been any other Scottish club (bar Rangers and Celtic) getting humiliated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
We’ve had some good and some bad European nights in recent years …i great trips tooQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I was thinking there’s a logical line of progression from Beatons performance as ref in the derby and Dundee Utds scoreline. When after decades we are STILL not penalizing foul play, time wasting, cheating, blatant obstruction and rewarding it, it’s not a surprise when other countries manage to flourish while we stagnate. I’ve said this before but if you watch a bit of ligue 1 or MLS or something and then go back to our league it’s like a different rule book. It starts with the officiating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I'm sure about that. Celtic and Sevco would beat AZ over 2 legs I think, and they aren't winning games by 7 goal margins domestically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I'm not saying any other non OF team would have got through the tie, but I think it would be a stretch to say ourselves, Hearts, Aberdeen etc would have lost by the same margin.
The fact Dundee United won the first leg surely demonstrates this was mostly just a shocking display by them?
I think what this and the Motherwell result highlight is the ridiculousness of the oft repeated line that the OF doing well in Europe is good for Scottish football.
Clearly that isn't true as the rest of the league is still a very poor quality. The rest of us don't magically get better by Sevco reaching a final.
Only people that should be depressed are Utd fansQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Possibly, but how bad were Dundee United? That wasn’t just a good team beating a poor side, it was laughably bad defending for a quite a few goals, we’re not talking about a team ripping through them, maybe later when the game was done but we know every team plays with a swagger when 3-4 up. The wheels came off and nobody knew how to stop it happening. Even after ht they couldn’t regroup and see out a minute of the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
But Dundee Utd don't get beat 7-0 by Rangers or Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
And Rangers or Celtic should be on a par, at least, with AZ.
Both would also likely heavily defeat Sligo.
I've said similar for a long time. The refereeing is at least part of the problem in Scottish football. It hinders us in Europe but it also stops it being as desirable a product as it could so less money comes into the game which also hinders us against other nations' teams. Referees almost appear to be on the park to guarantee the product is poorer and to make sure the two main sides and to a lesser extent Hearts get all the breaksQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Get it up United, IMHO.
I know some very decent Utd fans who love their team, good football banter, and I feel their hurt as someone who stayed to the end of the Malmo drubbing and wished I hadn't. We were taken apart that night, and it trumps anything for me (yes, even the 5-1, by a country mile) as my worst ever experience watching Hibs. So while I don't feel sorry for Utd at all, I get it.
But what is bugging me about this is the same thing that bugged me on Sunday - obviously seeing things through a Hibs persepctive. If that was us last night, there would be so much chat in the media about the manager being under pressure, about how we hadn't turned up etc etc. We'd be getting pulled apart and having the loss examined and discussed and how, even though he was just in the door, how long would the manager last. Similarly on Sunday, if we had dominated a derby(as it seems to be in the minds of Jambos or the minds of the commentators at least...), only to have it 'snatched away from us' with the last kick of the ball, we'd be getting told how we had bottled it, got it tactically wrong, how this showed a weakness in the Hibs team. Instead, almost all we got was the Jambo narrative of how they wiz robbed, how they dominated, how lucky we were, how much gulf there still was between the 2 sides.
I can't help but think that, had we been on the receiving end of that last minute derby equaliser or a drubbing in Alkmaar, the chat in the media would have been very different. Maybe I am just paranoid!!
Dundee Utd, or any other team in the SPL, that perform well in Europe will gain a distinct financial advantage over Hibs at domestic level. On that basis, I’m happy to watch them all fail.
We had a reasonable run under Lennon but we were still a long way from making meaningful progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
When you think of the calibre of clubs Hibs once competed with in Europe, these days (as you say) it's more about getting a decent wee trip out of the draw.
Ah. Those were the days ….pre bosman and money in football …those days are gone unfortunately for ever …Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
We can still get a result or two - so certainly would never want to stop having access to European football …
At last, something about Hibs that you remotely enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
An interesting person. I nearly said intelligent but seeing his tactics in big games maybe not. Never forgive him for that Cup final. Best chance to win it in our history apart from maybe Clyde in 1958. His team was dire to watch. Worst since Calderwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coco Bryce
Blessing in disguise not scraping into Europe last season. Imagine playing AZ Alkmar with Shaun Maloney in charge and folk like Jasper running about aimlessly. Convinced the outcome would have been worse than last night. Rather we got our house in order in built towards Europe next season.
It sort of sums it up when the attraction of playing in Europe is such that the fans can go on a major piss up. And we wonder why Scottish football is a joke.
.....Absolutely nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Absolutely right, hard to disagree with any of that, the problem also extends to the people who run the system and are therefore presumably happy with what they have created as a refereeing system and oversight of the type of referee and other officials they appoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Was Motherwell's defeat really that embarrassing or even surprising? It's a long time since non Old Firm clubs have been comfortably beating Irish opposition or other leagues of that standard. Every other year we get these types of results and poor performances from Scottish clubs and people always seemed shocked. I think it was ridiculous that Alexander was sacked based largely on that tie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Classic blame the fans, incredibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Sioux
I'd say the Sligo result was worse than last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musselbound
I don’t think football is for you after reading this and some other of your other posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC
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Originally Posted by SlickShoes
It's the fault of the clubs. What have Hibs (or any other club) put in place to try and grow the Scottish game?
Why do Scottish clubs obsess about trawling lower European and American leagues to try and unearth someone they can get one good season out of and then try and flog for £1m?
The clubs just see scraping into the top 6 as a good season. And the fans demand change if they don't.
What do the ruling bodies do to try and get Hamilton, Dunfermline, Falkirk etc. back into decent shape?
Where is the plan to make things better in 5 years time?
Our owner and chairman is currently leading a group trying to improve the game[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC
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I blame Motherwell and Dundee United for being utter gash. I doubt Hearts will be anywhere near as bad. I don't think it's down to the referees, clubs transfer policies or anything like that. Dundee United thoroughly deserved to beat them in the first leg and only have themselves to blame for the 2nd and sorry but Motherwell should be beating Sligo in their sleep. Nobody to blame but themselves and their own horrific performances.
You must have been watching a completely different game from me last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Dundee United done a job on them but in no way did they thoroughly deserve to win imo. Alkmaar were the better side last week as well I’d say.
Re the point about the ruling bodies being at fault: it wasn’t the leagues fault that Hamilton Accies sent a million quid by wire transfer to a Nigerian Prince, or the SFA’s fault Falkirk scrapped a successful youth system that saw them hit their best levels in years, or that dunfermline are chronically lacking in any financial management. I’ve got acquaintances who are well itk at Dunfermline and they are absolutely appalled at the state of their club, but what are SFA supposed to do about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC
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Originally Posted by Musselbound
Say, like Motherwell, we'd scraped a Euro spot under Maloney (yes, big stretch of the imagination required) via a deeply uninspiring run of results and performances and we'd held on to him for this season. I'd certainly have expected him to be sacked if we'd crashed out to a League of Ireland side in that manner.
Motherwell didn’t play any league cup group fixtures, they get a bye for participating in Europe. The Sligo match was Motherwell’s first competitive game of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I didn't watch it, but by all accounts I've read United played well in the first leg. What seemed OTT to me, however, was the outpouring of 'just like the 80s Euro glory days' coverage which accompanied the win. Just setting them up for a fall I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
I stand corrected :greengrin That gives them more leeway I admit, though it was still a shocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
They played well much in the same way a smaller team has to play well to get a result against the OF. They dug in, made it difficult for Alkmaar and snatched a goal. I wouldn’t say they deserved to win though, Alkmaar had the better chances and far more of the ball imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Dundee v Arbroath on the tellybox
Could be a decent game this…hopefully anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Scorrie
i fancy Dundee will come back up but they will have a big rebuilding job to stay up the following season
charlie adam will be a big miss
Possibly was given that Motherwell lost both games I think. But losing any game 7-0 is humiliating and I thought that was a hard watch last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
I don't think any manager should be sacked or have to resign one or two games into a season. I'm not sure if the league season was even underway. If Motherwell were that unsure of Alexsnder they could have sacked him last season like Hibs did with Maloney.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I felt Alkmaar were playing within themselves at Tannadice and were rightly confident they could turn it round. It was a good performance from United in the first leg but nowhere near as convincing as the media made out. A draw would've been a pretty fair result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
I'm far from convinced Dundee will be good enough. Think it could be a very tight league this season with a number of teams in with a decent shout. Adam will indeed be a huge miss for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
1-0 not too unexpected tbf
I wouldn’t be surprised if Arbroath are nearer the bottom of the league this year. Last year was fantastic for them but I’m not sure they can repeat. Scoring goals will be a problem for them
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Originally Posted by Musselbound
i think only Partick/Raith and Morton may mount a challenge to Dundee, though Raith have got of to a stinker obviously long way to go, wonder if we will see any surprise package this season like last seasons Arbroath
Ask this every time Dundee are on telly but what is going on with Paul McGowan’s heid? Looks like a lawnmower has been at it
1-1
2-1 Dundee. Poor goalkeeping
[QUOTE=Scorrie;7062414]Ask this every time Dundee are on telly but what is going on with Paul McGowan’s heid? Looks like a lawnmower has been at it[/QUOTEhe must have done that himself looking in a mirror and thought yeh that’s pretty good.
Arbroath equalise. Decent game this. 2-2
lol trying to get a penalty
that was a great cross and good header
3-2
3-2 enjoyable game
Some effort off the the back of his head and it's 3-2 to Dundee.
4-2
4-2 Dundee. Great goal. That Mulligan is a decent player. End to end midfielder
4-2
decent entertainment
it came off the back of his head rather lucky goal imo but the fourth was a crackerQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Brilliant game, hope we can get more of this on a Friday night. Seemed to be nil-nils every other week last season.
Enjoyed that game
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Originally Posted by eastterrace
i think he meant it :cb
anyways, can't beat friday night footy
Huesca playing Levante huesca playing in Hibs gear will be supporting them in la liga
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Originally Posted by Garymcl
Gerrard v Lampard… well I hate Gerrard but I love McGinn… I prefer Everton but I hate Lampard…
🤷 Nil - Nil and I’ll go for a snooze !
That’s Huesca third strip for this season, home colours same as Barca. Cracking top though😄Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Gerrard probably get sacked if they lose today.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
Can't see that happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Possible a bit early but his record is identical to Gary Neville at Valencia right now and he's laughed at as a big failureQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
First 20 mins been a non event so far.
Aston Villa 0-1 Everton
VAR rules it offside - still 0-0.
Wan nil Villa. Nice finish.
Btw Everton are dug*****
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McGinn did well to start the move too....Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
He did!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
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2-0 Villa
Long long season ahead for Lampard and Everton.
Think relegation is a real possibility for them this season!
Edit: I was saying 2-1 now
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Aston Villa 2-1 Everton
Aberdeen 0-1 Motherwell
Rangers 1-0 St Johnstone
Aberdeen 1-1 Motherwell
Aberdeen 2-1 Motherwell
2-2
Aberdeen 2-2 Motherwell
St Mirren 1-0 Ross County
Aberdeen 2-3 Motherwell
Rangers 2-0 St Johnstone
3 defeats from 3 as it stands for the Ross County racist.
Pleasing.
Watching sky sports soccer Saturday for the first time this season. The current presenters really are a shadow of the old lot. Really poor.