Remember when tobacco sponsored most sports? Hasn't been a disaster when it was banned.Quote:
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Remember when tobacco sponsored most sports? Hasn't been a disaster when it was banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'm all for it. I was just passing on the comments of the SFA and SPFL. Never knowingly in the right. (Them, not me. I'm always right. :wink:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
There's a major event just about to start in a country where you can get 6 months in the pokey for drinking in public so I'm not sure the hosting major events concern really works.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Are you serious. They are risking sponsorship of £75m per year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Fifa allowing it to happen at the WC which is really my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
There always seems to be some wriggle room
Given the toing and froing this week on it I doubt if FIFA have had much control of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
That's my point ...Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/18/multiple-world-cup-sponsors-concerned-over-contracts-after-qatars-alcohol-banQuote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Neither would I. Particularly as they (Qataris) have just announced no bevvy in the stadiums. 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Probably Petries fault.
Bid to oust Blackford 'quashed':
SNP leadership coup to oust Ian Blackford from Westminster role in Commons quashed | STV News
What's this about him supporting a sexually harrasser?
Ian Blackford apology dismissed as 'cop out' by Patrick Grady victim - BBC NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
The guy in the article supposedly leading the coup, said he wasn't interested. I suppose it plays to the narrative the unionists are trying to portray.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Yousaf insists NHS in Scotland will remain publicly-owned as health chiefs discuss abandoning free treatment for all:
NHS chiefs in Scotland discuss having wealthy pay for treatment - BBC News
Good to see the SNP commit to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Sounds like the establishment have got wind of supreme court ruling.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I wonder what the cut-off point is to be wealthy?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
In England it's whether you receive a benefit, including pension. 90% of prescriptions in England were free last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
About £43,000 income per year going by income tax rate bands 🙃Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Seriously? Not at all means tested?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Pensioners vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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I suspect this will have been one of those nothing off the table discussions where worst case scenarios have been on the agenda. Having been involved in a number of these during my working days if you think this is bad you would **** yourselves at some of the other suggestions 😆
The SNP have been committed to the original ethos of the NHS from the day they came into power.
Over 60s free I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I'm not understanding your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
I'm fairly sure that it costs more in managing the process to identify those that should pay and is the reason the SNP went for the universally free option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Absolutely bonkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
There were many reasons but aye, that was pretty high up.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
HiI would think nearly all genuinely wealthy people will have private health plans to cover majority of health problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
No use if your in a car crash or fall off a cliff mind you.
https://youtu.be/owI7DOeO_ygQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
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Sturgeon rules out NHS privatisation (while, as ever, claiming to know nothing about the discussions):
Sturgeon dismisses 'two tier' NHS Scotland making wealthy pay for care (msn.com)
I don't get it. A private NHS Managers' meeting, where they were 'workshopping' ideas (you know, no wrong answers and all that) has been leaked to the BBC, and it's somehow Nicola Sturgeon's fault that the idea was brought up at all? Have I got this right?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The press story has made it clear that it was an NHS managers meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
Has anybody here blamed Sturgeon?
Maybe I've misunderstood the remark a couple of posts above:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Also...Quote:
Sturgeon rules out NHS privatisation (while, as ever, claiming to know nothing about the discussions)
https://twitter.com/AndrewBowie_MP/s...16674921086981
Also...
https://twitter.com/Jackson_Carlaw/s...96252766900225
It's like they've done it before. Oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/stat...27568925347843
Just to add to the Tories tweets. Labour are in on the act too.
https://twitter.com/AnasSarwar/statu...59242862346240
The story was debunked prior to a phone in by Kaye Adams, but they ran it for an hour this morning anyway.
I wonder if we'll get the full hand with reporting shortbread this evening.
The post from here doesn’t actually blame Sturgeon. Though He’s Here clearly isn’t a fan. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
I don’t do Twitter for politics, I really wish politicians didn’t either.
He's implying she's lying about knowing about the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It reminds me of when I was a 'leader' in one of those type discussions. Unlike some blabber mouth I'll not go into the detail (it would obviously be too scary for some 🤣 ) but the theoretical project was to be called Health Is Better'n Scotland or HIBS for short! I doubt Nicola Sturgeon, Cabinet Secretary for health and other stuff at the time, knew anything about it 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He’sHere can answer for himself Im sure but he’s not actually saying Sturgeon plans to privatise the NHS. I’ll leave him to clarify that further though, I wish I hadn’t got involved. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
You're right of course, it doesn't blame Sturgeon. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I shall say no more on the matter.
I blame you. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It's made it to London. Job done.
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/sta...59313938743298
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Originally Posted by grunt
Graham Campbell thrown out a meeting with drug campaigners favor. Not sure if what Anne Marie ward says is correct about him wanting a photo opportunity
https://mobile.twitter.com/RadioClyd...83721302822912
Indeed, that's not what I'm saying. I just find it unlikely that when she has confirmed that NHS 'reform is under way' that the FM would not be remotely aware such suggestions had been made. Privatisation (of sorts) would be a huge deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
She has form for 'forgetting' (the meeting in which she was told of the Salmond scandal) or being 'unaware' (of any impropriety around the ferries fiasco).
Indeed Attachment 26296Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I'd prefer if Andrew Bowie didn't do politics, not so fussed about him being on twitter though :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
BBC EXCLUSIVE - STURGEON HOLDS PRIVATISATION MEETING ON BROKEN DOWN FERRY - more at 6.30 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
It’s funny how they think that a govt that has so far nationalised a shipyard, as steel fabricators, an airport and Scotrail is now about to privatise the NHS. [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Was she stranded in mid channel?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Nudge nudge, wink wink.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
They don't think that though. They want the electorate to think that and it's working, I've heard a few people talking about sturgeon privatising healthcare today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Nationwide teachers' strike to go ahead as Scottish government's pay offer dismissed as 'insulting':
Teachers' strike in Scotland to go ahead as new pay offer rejected - BBC News
Fully back the teachers on this. New offer is an insult aimed at dividing teachers at different levels of the pay scale. The offer is so far below what the teachers want that I can see the strikes going on for months.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
No wonder its a piss take. Vast majority get 5 point something rise, months after rejecting 5%.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
SG is going to have to cut some services altogether if they are to solve this. It’s going to be grim. Shame for the kids sitting exams this year.
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How did they afford to pay public sector workers much much better 10 years ago. I can't see what they have prioritised over paying teachers and nurses. Kids had months off in recent years they will be fine and shouldn't be used as a weapon against striking, unless its to get scot gov to pay upQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Public sector pay has been squeezed since 2010 as a deliberate policy decision of the UK govt. I suspect teachers salaries are inline with teachers south of the border because our spending is tied to what they spend down south.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I agree that the teachers deserve more. I think just about every person in Scotland deserves to have their wages lifted in line with our European neighbours but it will only happen if we vote for change.
An average wage earner in UK is about 20% poorer than the equivalent in France. We shouldn’t accept that.
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That's what snp wants us to believe, blame England as we have no choice. Scotlands block grant even without covid payments has been flat in real terms the last 10 years. Around 50% of our budget is made up of income tax also now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Our spending isn't tied it's sharply different in many places we have our own budget. We have chosen to follow England with public sector wages the last 10 years. We paid more with the same pot previously
Those gender fluidity studies don’t come cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Absolutely. The catch-all blame Westminster card doesn't cut it here. Even the SG aren't trying to play that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The SG are quick to take credit for the priorities it decides to spend money on but it's the default position to blame Westminster when things don't go their way.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Of course if you make long term spending commitments using short term Covid funding then you will come up short at some point.
"The Scottish Government’s funding per person is 30% higher than the English equivalent, a leading think tank says, with the difference almost entirely due to the Barnett formula.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said the Scottish Government had chosen to use some of its temporary coronavirus funding to pay for permanent spending commitments."
Why would you use temporary funding to pay for long term spending commitments? The SG has to shoulder some of the blame for this as these were their decisions and nothing to do with Westminster.
Not to mention a £200 million overspend on unfinished ferries...Quote:
Originally Posted by ehf
Cheap jibe that is becoming the go to for unionists. So are all the issues in the UK as a result of the ajax tanks, HS2, Crossrail, aircraft carriers, Palace of Westminster refurb etc etc all being massively overspent and late. And by massively let's talk billions. Ajax will never be delivered, aircraft carriers don't work, HS2 is a shambles but aye, ferries. It is a poor project done for the right reasons but at least we will eventually have two ferries, which is two more that there will be Ajax tanks. I'm sure you'll claim whataboutery but actually your taxes and mine have been spent on all of those projects but I don't see you mention them anywhere. Westminster overspend ok, Holyrood overspend bad. Union over everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Tanks and ferries are one off bad decisions and a sidetrack to the real issues. Scot government block grant has been flat in real terms in last 10 years. In that time public service wages have been decimated. Its a choice that has been made by our neoliberal scot gov.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I heard on the radio that Scottish teachers receive on average £7k a year more than English teachers. If that’s true then it appears the SG have been trying to to improve the lot of our teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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I'm no SNP supporter but wouldn't the best way to balance out this ferry business that seems to be critical to most debates around their competence just be to offset it against one (just one) of the many dubious contracts awarded to the in crowd masquerading as PPE contracts?Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
This one would just about balance it and that's without analysing the intent of each situation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ainst-ppe-firm
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Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
According to this - https://www.prospects.ac.uk/jobs-and...chers-get-paid - Scottish teachers are paid more than in rUK apart from in inner London.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Qualified teacher salary
The pay scales for qualified teachers are split into main and upper pay ranges - after entering at the NQT/probationary starting point, teachers are promoted up the scales in line with excellent performance. These ranges, from the main rate to the highest upper rate, differ between countries across the UK:
England (excluding London) and Wales - £28,000 to £38,810
London - £29,344 to £40,083 (fringes), £32,407 to £43,193 (outer), £34,502 to £44,756 (inner)
Scotland - £33,729 to £42,336
Northern Ireland - £24,137 to £41,094.
The average is just over 1k, but some of that they pay in higher tax. Fact is its much lower than 10 years ago in real terms whilst the budget isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Don't you want them to pay more income tax though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
You have not to mention that :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I want them to pay alot more I want them paid in line with what we paid them 10 years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Where do you suggest the money comes from to pay it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Saying we want them to be paid more is the easy bit. Digging deep, or telling someone else that they're not getting, is the hard bit.
We have the same budget in real terms in the last ten years. In that time they have slashed public service workers wages. Personally I think wages should be near the top of the agenda. So the question should be to them as to what they have spent the money on. They obviously have the money for it as they did so previouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
I'm mainly being devil's advocate here tbh and I agree with you re wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I'm maybe just a bit more forgiving of those who have to make tough decisions.
Has there been investment in equipment and technology over the past 10 years? With our ageing population are we having to spend more on healthcare in general, not to mention triple locked pensions? What does that leave in the pot for wages? There are countless things that may have happened over the past decade meaning there isn't enough money, or room for manoeuvre.
Corbyn put forward a case for increasing taxes and increasing public spending but it was rejected at the ballot box. Ultimately the Tories are the ones who make the big decisions and I don't think you can continually elect them and wonder why nurses aren't being paid more, although I'm sure a "strong" case can be made for it having been spent on imaginary ferries or wokery or something.
The SNP decided that alleviating child poverty might also be worthy of their attention and lots of funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
We have a budget that is set it London. There are only so many things we can do with it. It looks like we decided to reward our teachers better than those south of the border.
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Reward them by dropping their wages by 9% in 12 years, but it's better than England remember that haQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Child poverty is up a few % since snp came to power even though their budget hasn't went down
https://digitalpublications.parliament.scot/ResearchBriefings/Report/2021/12/1/a53b6c2d-0d6a-445e-8bd3-413ee081f41b-1#f211340b-935e-4e08-ba23-9751e299ffe1.dita
All the SNP can do is mitigate Westminster policies. If London cut benefits then of course child poverty will go up. The SNP introducing the Scottish child payment helps but is no solution to Westminster’s decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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It's like baking a cake with some ingredients missing, sure we get to choose which ingredients are missing but the cake is still going to be ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
First national teachers strike in Scotland since the 1980s now under way.
So are people waking up this morning thinking how democracy is being denied or thinking I wish the government would sort this strike out as I am having to take a day off work or arrange emergency childcare.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I reckon it's the latter.
I reckon most folk will have space in their heads for more than one thought, and some might even actually link the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I’m thinking we need to get out of this union so that we can move to the type of economy that values teachers a bit more instead of the wealthy as we do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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I'm thinking it's a lovely day for a walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I'm thinking I wish there was a left wing major party I could vote for. After Corbyn got the full force of the press spin, I guess my best chance is independence
I work in support for learning in schools so the schools I work in are closed today which means we didn't need to find childcare for my younger two (who are needless to say delighted with a day off!), but it's a major pain in the a**e for many working parents. I feel especially sorry for non-academic staff at the Edinburgh Council Schools managed by ESP/Amey (the ones which all had to close after the wall at Oxgangs collapsed) as they have to attend 'work' today despite the schools being empty. The catering staff at the school I've been working at this week were told they can clean the kitchen (which they do every day after school lunches anyway!). Either that or take a day's unpaid leave to meet their childcare needs, which some are having to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
The obvious answer to your question for those not obsessed with independence is that the SG should get on with the day job. Sturgeon asked to be judged on her record in education but this mess is down to her government as teaching unions have made very clear.
How do you measure obsession? Do you think that someone with 165 posts in a thread on Scottish Independence is "obsessed with independence"?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
You hardly ever hear Tories talking about putative indyrefs, eh? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'm referring to those obsessed with winning independence, seemingly above all else.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Personally I think the 2014 referendum and, in particular, its aftermath was one of the worst things ever to have happened to Scotland both politically and socially. Had I been able to foresee the divisive mess it would leave the country in I probably wouldn't have voted for devolution. I'm therefore passionate about remaining part of the UK but I wouldn't call it an obsession. Had the vote gone the other way in 2014 I would have sadly accepted it, not spent the next eight years whinging about having another go.
Put it this way, the news that Martin Boyle is out for the season depressed me more than seeing Nicola Sturgeon grandstanding in front of a bunch of saltire-appropriating devotees (after wasting time and money on Supreme Court crusade she knew was futile) when as FM she should have been focusing on how to prevent Scotland's first national teachers strike in 40 years. That I simply found tiresome.
One day strikes here and there are not going to have as much impact as bringing the teachers out for an undefined period. They have a day today and 2 days in January organised. That's a loss of 3 days earnings for teachers and potentially parents/carers. Better to announce a full week to begin with. They wouldn't take much more of a hit in terms of loss of income and imo that'll get them a quicker resolution from the SG. Economically no Gov wants unplanned school closures for a week, but could handle a day here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I've been in a trade union all my working days, but am now off the opinion the country would be better served with one public sector union with branches representing each sector. No public sector worker should be viewed as more important than any other, yet we now look like approaching a situation where there are differing pay settlements being awarded depending on what sector people work in. We need them all, they all link in and would fail without each other.
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You'd be a bit weird if you were obsessed with NOT winning independence, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63734668Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Further strikes in December haven't been ruled out. A couple of my colleagues weren't planning to demonstrate today as they have kids at home but said Tuesday's meagre pay offer actually spurred them into simply taking the kids with them to the (very colourful - see link) rally outside Holyrood. It's going to take a hefty increase in the offer to stop strikes escalating.
My kids attended picket lines and loved it. I suppose it was my version of taking them to church. I got two lovely letters from our Branch Committee which are tucked away in their memory box and are right at the top of what I treasure in those boxes. You can keep your first tooth or image of your first step. First picket line trumps those.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I think the STUC are planning a pre budget day rally outside Holyrood which should be well attended by all Unions
I totally agree with that. One day strikes achieve nothing save giving a sense of togetherness and perhaps a launch of a campaign. Teachers would be far better splitting a one day strike over a week. Walk out for an hour and a half each day or similar. My Union, PCS, are going for targeted and sustained so strikers can be paid, initially, from a strike fund and then a levy from those not striking. Those areas out will be the most damaging to the Government for the money used to pay strikers. It is a tactic I have advocated for over a decade and I am glad we have went that route but there are still some that seem to think a one day strike will make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Personally I would get every Union member in the TUC to start moving money and services to designated providers. Cause absolute chaos in the financial market and then a month later get them to all change to another provider. Make sure the big energy companies ad banks know what is coming so they lobby government effectively on workers behalf. Unions have to be much more open to the use of online ways of changing minds and I would be looking at spending $8 and screwing with any big business you could with a tweet dressed up as from a big company and then an instruction to Union members worldwide to retweet. Chaos and disruption can be incredibly cheap these days and easier to organise than strikes under the horrendous ant worker Trade Union laws
I have always thought public servants who are employed not elected should all be viewed the same in terms of pay. A rate for the job should be agreed and then changed with inflation. If the Government isn't a decent employer then why should anyone else be. As it turns out the recent Tory Governments have been some of the worst employers in the market place, stealing pensions, quite literally stealing pension payments, slashing compensation payments, closing offices, employing massive amounts of agency staff and paying 4 or 5 % this year less than private sector employer in Pay awards. That isn't even to mention a number of unlawful acts that the courts and Unions have made them reverse on and some of which they simply changed the law to bring in.
Teachers in Scotland to strike for 16 consecutive days in January:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63759720
Surely Sturgeon will have to start turning her attention to the day job??
Even part time she manages to run the best services in the UK.[emoji6]Quote:
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Originally Posted by He's here!
Not an all out strike over all of Scotland for 16 days at the same time!
Very misleading.
And do you actually believe everything in government gets laid to one side while they discuss independence, how very naive of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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Originally Posted by He's here!
Amazing. When she's not revealing her plans for a referendum, she's widely referred to as a fraud, when she does, she gets the 'concentrate on the day job' cliché.
Seriously, you need to make up your mind what you actually want.
Or the least worst. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby