Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.Quote:
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Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.Quote:
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Most Trump supporters say that. Before it was Hilary that gave them the fear. Really, they just hold the same values as him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
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How extreme are your nightmares if they are worse thanQuote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
- hundreds of thousands of people dying unnecessarily as a result of his Covid response
- the army being deployed on the streets across your nation
- the president being close acquaintances with one of the countries most prolific sex offenders
- your president overriding the judicial system to get his friends out of jail
- redirecting millions of dollars due to help small businesses to the companies of his wealthy friends and donors
That's as lame an answer as I've ever heard.Quote:
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Could you tell us why you want Trump. What values does he proclaim that you share?
What is it about Biden that gives you fear ?Quote:
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If the truth be told, I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse, so for that reason, I have no choice but to support whoever is running against the Democrats.
Could you name a specific from the woke liberal agenda that you disapprove of?Quote:
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You surely need to go deeper than that....Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Is it his active human rights record and his anti violence against women agenda ?
Is it his affordable care act ?
Is it his free college for most ?
His low income housing policy ?
His support of the climate crisis...
Woke is a media manifestation....policies are what you are voting for....
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Facebook Word Salad. No dressing.
Things I'm against:-
Anarchy and lawlessness
Tax increases
Illegal immigration
Tax payer funded abortions
Trying to erase history
Tax payer funded handouts for those unwilling to work
Eliminating the 2nd amendment
The list goes on.....................................
Yes, I have conservative views so if that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.
Is woke a variation on snowflake? Are both just evolutions of the 'PC brigade' and 'PC gone mad'?
There never seems much substance behund their usage beyond an apparent fear of people and things that are different. I can't speak for others but I've always been confident enough of my own opinions to accept that others may disagree without resorting to what is essentially name-calling. As an example I has a difference of opinion with a friend about shared public spaces and trans woman recently, I didn't feel the need to call her 'woke' because we disagreed though.
I'd be intrigued as to why a 'woke liberal agenda' would discourage someone from voting for a party. Through my eyes it certainly seems preferable to the various isms and phobias that make up the incumbent alternative.
It's not a real thing, it's just one of those right wing cliches you hear from people who spend their days on Facebook and Breitbart. See also "erasing history", "all lives matter" etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I've seen you mention abortion before and I'm curious as to what you view the alternative as?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Abortion has been documented as far back as the times of the ancient Greeks and Romans. It is mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible (interestingly it isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament). Whilst I can accept and sympathise with the moral conundrum that abortion presents and personally feel uncomfortable about the ending of a life, I also realise that it isn't going away.
Do you believe removing access to safe abortion will somehow eliminate the demand for it? Does placing abortion into the hands of private companies for profit make it less morally objectionable when compared to it being a tax payer funded procedure? Do you oppose abortion in all circumstances or only that which is funded through taxation?
Abortion in a safe, secure and supportive environment for anyone who require it seems infinitely preferable to me as opposed to a return to back street abortions and the associated risks. I absolutely understand why people are uncomfortable with the idea of abortion, I think a lot of people do, but I also realise there is no realistic alternative.
You can have any political views you want....even though those read like a cross between right wing Facebook / New York post agenda items... how about the things you stand for, rather than against??Quote:
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Biden has been in public service since he was 29...he has a pretty decent track record of credible achievements..That said, his anti inequality focus will certainly clash with your beliefs it would appear..
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Also, if it’s feckless layabouts that NYC can’t stand. Surely free and available abortions is a way to reduce one of his perceived problems (too many poor people living on handouts).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I have much more respect for a poor girl who can’t afford a child having an abortion than the Republican lawmakers preventing her that right. Using the Bible to hide behind.
J
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Originally Posted by Rocky
There's a great American tradition which helped America be as good as it could be in the past called "The Social Contract". Seems that's dangerous and to be feared these days.
I once made the mistake of watching a video showing how abortions are carried out as I genuinely had no idea. It was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen and was deeply disturbing. My line of thinking is, if you know you're not in a position to raise a child and you don't have contraception, then you must abstain from having sex. I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.
In cases of rape, incest or potential harm to the mother or baby then yes, abortion is perfectly acceptable.
Sounds like you hate women.Quote:
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Really?Quote:
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Can men avoid getting women pregnant by keeping their legs closed?Quote:
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What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Feel like this thread is going back in time.
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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
What's so hard to understand? In an ideal world, both parties would agree that when there's no contraceptive available, then sex should be off the table, but as men are idiots when the blood starts to flow, then it's up to the woman to say no because the last time I checked, it's not men who are lining up for free abortions.Quote:
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What’s so hard to understand is that this attitude still exists, it is equally both parties responsibility to abstain if in their best interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
And that what I said, but ultimately, if the guy is being a dick (no pun intended) about it, it's up to the woman to say no as she is the one that stands to lose the most if she falls pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee
Yep, the excuse of "I only support Trump because Hilary/Joe are horrible" is bull****. They're fooling nobody, at least have the balls to admit you support Trump's actions, because by supporting him you support his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
What about the father's responsibility? Can he just ride off into the sunset or how do you plan to make him face up to the consequences of not being able to keep it in his pants?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
That women have the role and responsibility to stop unplanned pregnancies is a view from Victorian days ....comes from the same school as blaming poor people for being poor. Devoid of social context .Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
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There's certainly been some illuminating social commentary regarding where the responsibility for safe sex lies over the last few posts.
None of it really answered my question about what the alternative is though. Easy ccess to condoms and the contraceptive pill has existed for decades yet unplanned pregnancies still happen. Providing access to abortion in a safe environment with a range of options discussed is one option. Forcing abortion back underground is the other. Given abortion has existed for thousands of years I think it is naive in the extreme to believe removing funding will end the practice. So what is the realistic alternative?
Finally the idea of not providing abortion because a woman couldn't 'keep her legs shut' not only screams misogyny but also seems to take us down a very dangerous road. Do we refuse treatment for lung cancer to smokers? Should people who holiday in the sun be refused treatment for melanoma? Should overweight people be refused treatment if they have eaten in McDonald's? After all they could have 'kept the lighter in their pocket', 'kept their shirt on' and 'stuck to salads'.
Take it you already know what a foundling is.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
There's a quote from Veep that summarises the whole abortion debate perfectly for me: "If men could get pregnant you could get abortions from an ATM machine."
It isn't about morality or anything like that - when it comes down to it it's about controlling women.
Great point ..there is no coincidence that birth control whilst available for men, has been normalised as the duty of women ..despite the health risks involved ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
lol @ thinking that Biden falls into the category. He’s Republican lite.Quote:
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This 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
Honestly in all my years I’ve very rarely read a post that’s made me want to tell the poster to **** off.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
You wait ages for a post that makes you want to say **** off then two come along at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
I think it’s really healthy that you are now ‘coming out’ with your extreme ideological views. It saves us all from thinking we’re debating with a normal rational person.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
I am truly saddened by the last page or so on this thread. Hopefully America comes to its senses and individuals like this are in the minority.
The last couple of pages are going a long way towards explaining to me how America managed to get to where it is right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Fair play to NYC coming out and saying what he believes in.
It’s so right of arc for my own head to get around it’s difficult to debate.
Like was said, you can see why America is so divided. There’s no way of finding a middle ground with these views. It’s either “you are with us or against us”.
You give ground on abortion, guns are there. You address guns, and it’s Mexican immigrants. You discuss the wall, it’s the fear of Muslim terrorists. You talk about that and it’s White Lives Matter. After that it’s Gay rights, The erosion of Christian Values (whatever the fek they are), Anti-Vaxers, Anti Masks (COVID is a hoax), etc.
Genuinely Don’t know where to go. The whole package is impenetrable.
I presume there’s message boards where these views are common and I would be seen as mental.
Even in the Bath Rugby message board, the mix is there. Left, right, everyone in the middle.
J
My daughter wants to do a 6 month education programme in the US but there is no ****ing way I'm sending her over. Sounds like she would be safer in Syria.
It's scary stuff to read but we're kidding ourselves if we don't think we're on a path to the same place in the UK. The only question is whether it's inevitable that we'll arrive at the same place or whether there's still a chance to change direction.Quote:
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A lot of those are quite vague, though (e.g. Anarchy and lawlessness), and aren't something that is being prevented by having Trump as President.
Things like Tax Increases have been stated by Republicans as some sort of 'line in the sand'. However, if you examine the standard of living in a lot of countries that use higher taxes to take care of people in their hour of need, I think I'd have to disagree.
There are literally millions of people in the US worrying about non-existent healthcare, unemployment payments, sick pay, maternity pay, etc. Wouldn't it be better to having a caring society that actually helps people when they desperately need that help?
The comment about people being 'unwilling to work' is something that I hear a lot. It's basically used as an excuse to write off people as unworthy simply because they can't find a job. I really hope you're never in that position.
Finally, I'll never be convinced that keeping a law that was written at a time when your country was still some kind of wild frontier is relevant today. Compare the number of firearms murders (per head of population) with your neighbour Canada and you'll see the effect of a desire to live in the past.
YikesQuote:
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He's got a point.
If she really doesn't want a baby, she should keep her legs crossed.
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I share your views ..fair play for NYC to share what he doesn’t support ..although I note it is stuff he /she doesn’t support, rather than things they stand for ..for me, it could easily be a Katie Hopkins hate speech though ..such lack of support and empathy for those in need.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
It’s the American dream. Look after you and yours, work hard and you can be rich and President some day.
The biggest lie ever told.
J
In this context, it's arguably the child (unborn or otherwise) who has the most to lose.Quote:
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I really struggle with coming to a view on abortion as I don't think there's anything close to a "right" answer, but I don't think I've ever read a view like yours which strikes me as being so wrong. If I've understood your points correctly, you're not opposed to abortion, you're just opposed to the taxpayer paying for it and, because "men are idiots", women should bear the cost based purely on biology. On the assumption that you're a male taxpayer, I can't imagine a more blatant example of short-sighted self-interest.
Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:
Hmm I saw that and thought at the time it was a rather curious turn of phrase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
But then you can probably think that about anything the man says....
It's a punctuation thing.Quote:
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"I wish her, well......"
If it can happen in the UK it most certainly can happen in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/father-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&&usqp=mq331 AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15954305566368&referrer=https%3A %2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&sha re=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2*** %2Fhome-news%2Ffather-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html
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It also says that they were released at the scene once it was established they weren't part of the investigation. Sorry but if they had a description of a black male attacker then it makes sense they stop and search black males ..... its the police i feel sorry for they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't
If the alleged attacker was white, would that justify them stopping any white men?Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
If the incident occurred in a predominantly black nation, then yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
As a lecturer at a pretty prestigious US institution, I'd support your stance right now to be honest. Campus culture is primarily fine - ignorant attitudes like those on display in this thread are in the minority. A lot of the kids on most US college campuses are bloody smart, and even where you DO have Republican/conservative supporting students/groups, their views are a lot more progressive than some of the prehistoric ideals that define the Republican base.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Having said that, venturing into the wider communities is a total pot-luck, depending on where the institution is based. There are plenty of great cultural experiences available by spending some time in the USA, but you need to do a lot of research. Right now, until the Covid-19 situation is under control, I'd advise any of my students against heading Stateside because their medical system is absolutely horrific.
Of course it would......why wouldnt it?Quote:
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For what its worth ..down south a lot of stabbings and shootings are carried out by people using mountain bikes to get away easier and blend into the crowds which makes the stop and search in the article more relevant
omg_hfc_nycQuote:
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I wasn't trying to say something controversial on purpose, I was trying (however badly) to advocate for personal responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by bawheid
The police admit to using excessive force. The father and son were attacked and knocked off their bikes by the police before any attempts to question them. Is this acceptable to you?Quote:
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But only on the part of the woman?Quote:
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1. It didn'tQuote:
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2. Why?
Any white man?Quote:
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You get the point I'm making, I'm sure.
NO. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I was answering the question about if the suspect was white, would it be ok to stop every white person and I changed the roles to say that if in a predominantly black nation, a white suspect was on the loose then it would make sense to question all white people.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
All white people? Why? On the basis that all white people look the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
And would it be justifiable to be violent towards them without talking to them first?
If the only description of the suspect was a "white male", then in a country that is predominantly black, then yes, you would start the investigation by questioning any white people you come across. It is NEVER justifiable to be violent towards a suspect without questioning them first.Quote:
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Might just be his cover story for when she's found dead in her cell.Quote:
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No i don't... please explainQuote:
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yikesQuote:
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I really wish you would expand on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
This guy. Sometimes I think its just best to laugh at him:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-was-difficult
Is that going to be his main campaign pitch, then, "I'm not cognitively impaired, really I'm not"? :crazy:Quote:
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:hilarious beautiful.Quote:
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He's already got the campaign pitch - "Vote for very stable genius and bleach drinker" .Quote:
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' "Some of the officers did not appear to be wearing full uniform, Mr Boateng said, adding that they had been 'angry and aggressive'.
"My young son panicked as [he has] never seen a police officer of this sort in this capacity, and ended up being chased with a Taser weapon"
Huugo Boateng told the paper that during the arrest “this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting”. He added: “I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.” '
Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.
Probably a coded threatQuote:
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Policeman aggressively chases an innocent thirteen year old with a Taser? Sorry, but I can't see any justification for the way they behaved.[/QUOTE]
Some kids look like adults
found a video on YouTube but i cant post link..
15 shot at Chicago funeral trump to send federal officers
Some kids look like adults[/QUOTE][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Quote:
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Right.
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That's what you meant to say, isn't it?Quote:
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https://twitter.com/nick_ramsey/stat...940897800?s=21
I think I’ve got Trump all wrong. It’s clear he is indeed a very stable genius. [emoji106]
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Person, woman, twat, camera, TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No i said kids can look older than their years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
In future can you please refrain from doctoring my posts to make it look like i said something i never please.
Where is the joke here.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Don't know the context of the whole interview but he is making a valid point. The test he is talking about is actually pretty impressive mental agility. Repeat 5 words in order, no big deal. Then repeat them in order again 20 minutes later when you are not expecting to, pretty sure many people would fail. It's a fair question to ask if Joe Biden would be up to the task given the questions about him at the moment
Or am I missing the joke ?
Come on. It is the type of question that you ask kids in school. Give them pictures of 5 objects, ask them to memorise them ask them to repeat them then ask them again a while later. It is absolutely not the mark if a genius to get it right. Person, woman, man, camera, TV. There you go and I saw the clip once more than 24 hours ago. Trump is a buffoon and the fact anyone thinks him doing that is impressive is a bit worryingQuote:
Originally Posted by hibeedc
The test is supposed to take ten minutes so it's interesting in itself that he claims he was still repeating those words back 20/25/30 minutes later.Quote:
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This is what we're up against.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeedc
Fair enough but that is not what happened. Five words were read out to him once and he was asked to repeat them in order. There is no memorise these words because we are going to test your memory later. Also it is one question in a series of questions, more info from the test in your head.You had the benefit of hearing the sequence of words a number of times in that short clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Yeah, you've got me there. He is in fact a stable genius who wants people to inject disinfectant to cure Corona. It is a very easy test that kids at school would manage but the guy who leads the biggest economy in the world is boasting about it. There is no hope for some if they think that is impressive. We also, as far as I know, only have his word for it that he is in fact the cleverest man in the world or has it been published or a recording released if him doing this test?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeedc
Don't think I have been offensive/rude to anyone here up till this point, but I'll ignore your cheap jibe.Quote:
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Some kids look like adults[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
The age of the boy, and his father has nothing to do with the actions of the police, the colour of their skin was the only reason for their actions.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-police-arrestQuote:
The 13-year-old told the Observer: “I’d turned around to see if my dad had caught up behind me, and suddenly this man came out of nowhere. He was crazy angry and shouting. I got scared because I thought he might be mugging me or trying to give me corona so I ran, but there was nowhere to go but in the bushes.”
While he was down on the ground, the teenager says the officer pointed a Taser at him and threatened to shoot. The officer then arrested Huugo and put him in handcuffs. Further down the towpath, his father, Andrew, 43, was told to get on his knees and put his hands behind his back. Andrew was also handcuffed. The two were detained, suspected to have been involved in a stabbing in the area.
Andrew said: “If this was a normal stop and search, I could respect that. But it is obvious why we were treated the way we were. The police came in at high-octane aggression level 10. We were on a family bike ride, and my son was essentially assaulted by a police officer. We were threatened with Tasers even though we weren’t resisting, and then just put in handcuffs.”
The incident, which occurred around 6.30pm on Thursday 4 June, drew between six and eight police officers to the scene. The officers said they were responding to a stabbing in a nearby park, and that the father and son matched the description of the assailants. One officer, when questioned by Paton on camera, said: “The victim at this point was very unwilling to give us descriptions. The only thing he has given us is IC3 [police code for a black person] males on a bike … That’s very vague, isn’t it?”
Well I'm sorry but if you really honestly believe that Trump's ability to remember 5 words in a row is a sign that he is therefore competent to lead the world's biggest democracy, then I don't think I can help you. He has shown in thousands (I thought before writing that, but yes thousands) of other ways that he is uniquely unsuited to the role. The fact that you and - I guess many other Trump supporters - don't recognise this is a sign that something significant is badly damaged in the US. The man is an incompetent fool, and everyone else in the world can see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeedc
And I do apologise for what you think is a cheap jibe, but I meant that the fact you see no wrong is a big part of the problem.
Here's the test in case you're interested. Repeating the words the first time isn't even part of the test, it's just setting up the recall section for five minutes later. Based on Trump's version of the story it took him over 20 minutes to do the Attention / Language / Recall sections of the test. That's quite something considering they look like they should take 3 or 4 minutes tops.Quote:
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https://www.mocatest.org/pdf_files/t...nglish_7_1.pdf
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Originally Posted by EAZY-ME
Okaaaaaay, maybe you should watch this video and see what this terribly scary thirteen year old boy looked like.
Please listen as well to how the 'child' was affected by all this, in his own words.
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Also, they were suspected of being involved purely because they were black and male. What are the chances of seeing black males in Tottenham? Well, maybe you should check out the ethnic breakdown of the district...
- 22.3% White British
- 27.7% Other White
- 26.7% Black
- 10.7% Asian
- 12.6% Other/Mixed
But surely because Trump can remember those words after 20 mins proves beyond doubt he is the smartest man on the planet? Or something like that...Quote:
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How do you know this was the test ?Quote:
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Because Trump himself said so..
Think the point of the whole thing was to raise questions about Biden.Quote:
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