I know that's what the EEN says however, I'm led to believe that Kerr is away because he wants a deal pronto and we can't give him that, but that Maybury may have made the trip after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
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I know that's what the EEN says however, I'm led to believe that Kerr is away because he wants a deal pronto and we can't give him that, but that Maybury may have made the trip after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I think he was with Birmingham on their tour but has since return home. I think hes a good player, and would improve one of our weakest positions, but with the number of midfielders we already have, we might not be able to afford to offer him a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
I worked with his sister last year. When I asked her if he ever fanced a move to hibs he said no chance. The boy wants to play in EnglandQuote:
Originally Posted by too_many_djs
Did his sister say that in a really deep voice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billychaotic182
Fair play to him, thats where all the money is I guess. He doesnt seem to be particularly in demand however, hes been available on a free for months after being a mainstay in a very good United team, and noone has offered him a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billychaotic182
There was actually talk of him returning to Dundee FC if they got SPL football...Quote:
Originally Posted by too_many_djs
Well if Ozzy is indeed away that may make room for Kerr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
hold me back...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
That is more than Ozzy would have done...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
With Ozzy away I would not mind someone like Kevin McDonald who was with Burnley and has not yet taken up Sheffield Utd offer of new contract. Someone who can add a bit of bite to the midfield.
Completely disagree. He's 100% Mr. Unfulfilled Potential simply die to his attitude, it was only about 3 years ago he was making a real impression in the prem for his attacking play. But his absence of getting stuck in severely cost him, a bit like a few of our recent midfielders.Quote:
Originally Posted by ferry hibby
He has an improved offer from SU - which we couldnt match.Quote:
Originally Posted by ferry hibby
Alan Maybury flew out to Holland today, I spoke to him, and he's hopeful that a deal will be done in the next few days. Says he's really keen to sign and would have no worries about playing for the Cabbage! Seems a geniune guy and he's defo not a Jambo :rolleyes:. Yes he has played for them, but he's Liverpool through and through :greengrin. I think he would be a great signing for us. Can play left or right back.
Maybury - McPake - Clancy - Booth Back 4! We have a winner :greengrin:thumbsup::agree::flag::cb
Can't believe anyone is seriously considering Mark Kerr as somebody to improve our midfield. A journeyman midfielder whose status is diminishing year on year in Footballing terms. Time to widen the search Pat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Interesting that he seems to want to sign. Was it the wages that were the hold up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven_Hibs
Agree with this, doesn't offer more than claros IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Just released by St Johnstone and 34 in a few weeks so its no surprise he wants to sign for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Fenlon was widely quoted recently that we're not in a position to offer him a deal right now but he would like to.
We have bigger priorities than Maybury hopefully. He did OK on Saturday from what I hear and is a good experienced pro but I'd suggest 3 or 4 other positions are more important right now. We have already signed Clancy who Fenlon stated was seen as a right back for us and that is Maybury's main position.
Yes he can be back up there with Clancy in centre and he could possibly play left back but again thats not a priority.
Quality over Quantity Patrick FFS.
I had hoped he was just getting training facilities when we first heard he was at East Mains.
Stay positive......
Did Ozzy make the flight Stevo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven_Hibs
Big black guy...looks a bit like a Pelican with a beak full of fish?
Did I not read a quote on here from the man himself saying saints had offered him a contract but he was weighing up his options?Quote:
Originally Posted by DC_Hibs
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Originally Posted by Slenj.=]
Well if somebody offers you two bags of sweets it's wise to take a look in both before making your choice:cb
Petrie get it sorted :grr:
Sorry just always wanted to do that :cb.... ( oh and that :lips seal)
Spot on mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
He brought him in for a wee look, didn't show enough to get a deal and has moved on, at least PF is looking and not just sitting on his erse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
I am more than certain that PF will have a few trialists in mind for the coming games.
I also believe that PF never stops trying to get folk in to try and improve the team... He's just been given a wee added bonus with the Ozzy windfall, albeit not that much but hopefully enough to bring in a replacement.
Let's see what develops this week... Hopefully LG in he next few days.
Booth is not the answer at left back. Gets caught out too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven_Hibs
Agreed. If we sign may bury I have a funny feeling we might see him play there??Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
Agree ..... but I always thought there was a decent midfield player in the making there. Likes to get forward, has good movement and is decent on the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
He is good going forward but I'm not sure about his defensive qualities in midfield and especially at the the back. This season is his last chance at Hibs or he will fall down the leagues. Successive managers have not picked him as a regular. I hope he can kick on and learn his trade and serve Hibs well but have my doubtsQuote:
Originally Posted by BOVRIL
Im sure he could play on the left of midfield if he had a decent LB and someone in midfield barking orders at him all game and keeping him focused. The majority of younger players, unless they are really special, will need that sort of experience around them, guiding them through games, which is something we seem to have lacked recently (look at the difference McPake made on Hanlon for example). Its a shame that he hasnt pushed on like we all would have hoped for, but hes only 21, and theres still plenty of time for him to turn things around.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
This thread on Hibs transfer rumours has already diversified from the original topic so here's another couple of snippets from today's Daily Express.
First of all, Gareth Evans has been appointed first team coach at Livingston and secondly Mark Kerr is now trying to win a contract with Carlisle United so it looks increasingly unlikely that he will be offered any deal with Hibs.
Just to address the posts that are along the lines of 'We still need to sign 6/12/19/33/17 players' etc.
We know we're 2500 ST's down. Let's say we're on 6000 STs on that basis. Allowing for concessions, let's say we're seeing £275 for each ST paid over a looooooong time.
Hibs are then saying, right Paddy, we've lost money deluxe style but whatever is ST is coming in this year so although we're not actually seeing the money from the punters yet, we'll put up the equivalent.
So there you go Patricia, 6000 x 275 = £1.65m. Don't spend it all at once.
Now lets' say that when you adjust our squad for the likes of McPake and Williams who will be on reasonable money and Stanton/Caldwell who will be on nowt AND us still paying money to Jimmy Scott, let's say that every player is on around £1k a week or £52k a year, averaged out.
Stick on 12.8% N.I. contribution and every player gets paid, on average, approx £58.5k per year.
Now, we've got 24 players listed on the fishy. 24 players x £58.5k = £1.4m (this is all without goal and win bonuses - where's that cash coming from if it's needed?)
So, Fenners, you've bnow got circa £250k left to play with at best.
That leaves room for 2 £2k+ a week players when you add in other expenses.
We've said there will be 2-3 more coming in.
We apparently don't want cheap journeymen.
So how are we funding an extra 5-6-7-8-9 etc signings?
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Originally Posted by HH81
Maybury is not the answer at right back either, gets caught out too much. :greengrin
Really don't want us to sign Maybury or Kerr. A bit embarassing that we have even had them on trial. I know there is not a lot of money swirling around the SPL but I can't help but feel Dundee United and Aberdeen (teams who I believe we should be aiming to be as good as if not better season in season out) are managing to assemble far better squads than ours.
Maybury has journeyed around the SPL for a few years now. Deemed not good enough for Aberdeen 4 years ago and hardly a regular in the last two years at St Johnstone.
Kerr was bombed out of Aberdeen a couple of years back, went abroad and was available in January and signed for the mighty Dunfermline and hardly shone as they went down. If he was half decent still he would not have ended up there.
I do understand that times are hard but is it really that bad of me to think we can do better than these two guys?
The only way signing either (Maybury more so than Kerr) would be acceptable is to have as squad players but we have enough of those, we need some real quality of next season will be a struggle. Again.
Maybe I have to be realistic though and say that I really wanted the Huns down the leagues so now we have got that maybe this will be our level of signings.
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Originally Posted by Speedway
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:greengrin Assuming they ever become applicable. We better not score or win - we can't afford it.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
The fishy stilll lists Mark Brown and Isaiah Osbourne in that 24.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
So probably room for 4 players yet to be brought in. That would make it 15 departures and 8 signings in this window.
Talks are still ongoing with our 'shot-stopper' Brown.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
Would let Brown go .... bye bye
This is a useful exercise and I agree with the general picture you're painting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
However, I feel that there are a number of the figures you use which, if amended, could change the picture dramatically.
You pointed out yourself the issue of win bonuses etc and it is very difficult to estimate the actual earnings of those already under contract.
However, if we take your figure of an average basic of £1kpw and also use your assumption of 6,000 ST holders I think it might be more accurate to use an average ST value of above the level you have used. The figure of £275 seems on the low side to me.
If we use £325 (still well below the cost of many tickets that will have been sold) and also assume that Osbourne has left - the picture looks a little different:
6,000 x £325 = £1,950,000. That is £300k more than your estimate. Let's say 23 players (now OZZY has gone) at the rate you used (£58.5K) = £1.35m
That leaves available budget of £600k for squad additions instead of the 250k you suggest and perhaps gives Pat a bit more to play with?
It's all speculation, I know, but ...........
You're right. It's embarrassing that we are chasing this standard of player and even more so that we apparently can't afford them!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sea-gull
You have to take £300K VAT out of your £1.9M income estimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenOnions
Didn't SL say that 6,800 ST's had been sold and that Hibs got an average of £200 per ST?
I wonder how embarrassed the 2500 who haven't renewed are.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sea-gull
I think it was stated a few weeks ago that sales had been at 6,800 at that point and that after taking Vat etc out the average value was £200 per ticket
I didn't think that football clubs had to pay tax .............. oh, sorry - I should be on the follow, follow board :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
We average £200/season ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenOnions
Didn't Petrie say on that TV debate that BBC Scotland had that the average price for a season ticket at ER last season was £12 per game, so £228 total?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kky_DP00yTM signed for livi looks a player :agree:
we could do with a similar sort of player mustve been recommended to Collins
SL's figure is much more recent and comes after a lot of "kids" renewed so they could get a cup final ticket :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio sledge
The average has come down because a lot of people bought kids' season tickets to get cup final tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio sledge
Not embarrassed at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
I haven't renewed due to a substantial change in my circumstances since the beginning of last season and it is not a luxury that I can afford. Didn't even use my ST for half the games last year, so would have been struggling to justify it even if I had the money. Given the current economic conditions, there will probably be others in the same situation. Had plenty of occasions during my time as an ST holder when I could have not bothered because the football was p1sh, but this isn't one of them.
Good news for us Evans got Livi job, we were still paying him!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
I think we might go for Kerr, until he signs a deal with someone else he is still gettable.
Someone who can't afford a ticket is much different to someone who can and chooses not to as they expect the team to do well without their money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smidge
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Originally Posted by Mikey
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Originally Posted by matty_f
Surely given the economic situation throughout Europe we should be having loads of trialist from Spain Greece etc as there must be many players struggling to get clubs? We seem to be getting names banded about from Ireland Scotland England, any rumours that PF is spreading his net wide and far?
Maybury and Kerr are about inspiring as a kick in the nads.
Surely we can afford better than SPL journeymen.
Just wandering if anyones heard any news on strikers coming in? Heard that Griffiths in Edinburgh at the moment... GGTTH:flag:
It is the board that should be embarrassed as it is they who did not invest enough when attendances were good circa 2004 to 2010. And what they did invest was invested in poor managers who in turn bought poor players. The fans were just taken for granted and nobody should feel embarrassed for not wanting to fork out at a time when money is tight when their money has been ill spent in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
That's right. They get about £200 on average for each ST.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
I thought it was clearly established on another thread that the payroll is c£4m and the cost of the squad is more than the STs income.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedway
:Ummm:Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Just how many former members of our coaching staff are we still paying, or have we been paying months after their departure from ER?
Yogi was in the same boat, as I recall?
Calderwood did pick Booth regularly, he was our best player from Jan-May 2011.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
Booth is one of the few players we have who's shown he can dribble, pass, cross and score goals. The managers job is to get the best of his resources, not just sign players for every role. If we can't make a player out of Booth, Hibs may as well pack in.
Bear in mind that the £4m shown in the accounts is for all employees and so includes youths, coaching staff, grounds, admin, directors, shop, hospitality etc as well as the first team squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
And also that the £4m was at our last financial year. We've since lost about 15 players.
Thats just Tam McCourts salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
Callum had problems with injuries last season but according to PF is back fit and training hard. It may be that Pat sees him as an option for the midfield rather than LB - he wouldn't be the first to start off in defence and move forward into midfield. We're looking for someone to run at the opposition - I could see him doing just that thing rather effectively.
Alan Maybury can play in a number of defensive positions and is IMO a proven seasoned pro, if a tad long in the tooth - he WOULD give us cover in defence, though. The thing about his training full-time with the squad is that it's given Pat the opportunity to assess his fitness as a full-time member of the squad rather than just running the eye over him in a couple of bounce games where he might look OK but be struggling to following day.
One thing which occurred to me - we're now talking about a League re-org. Maybe we won't have to worry about relegation at all next May ....
Alistair Stevenson is the only one now I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
How is that good news for us SB?Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
I guess you are saying that we don't have to pay him any more, but is that actually the case in this instance?
Correct my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoltonHibee
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Originally Posted by Doddie
I was thinking the exact same thing earlier on today. I wonder if Rod has a sneaky wee inside heads up that there will be no relegation (League restructure next season and the return of the huns possibly, who knows with the fools running our game) this season and we will not be signing anyone notable and just going with what we have with a few cheap freeby options. Also would make sense why we are selling Ozzy to get some much needed income as im sure he would have been on a decent wage comming from Villa.
Hope im wrong though as would be a right p*sh season if this is the case. Other teams probs wont be signing players either but at least most of thenm have a relitvley decent squad, we dont.
Can see it now Rods got his speach written out, the demise of Rangers prevented us from signing players :greengrin
Well I guess it's an alternative to handing them a lump-sum in compensation. But they do seem to stay on the payroll for some considerable time.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
If the rumours are true there would have been a point late in 2011 when the following former employees would have all still been on the payroll - John Hughes, Colin Calderwood, Gareth Evans and Alistair Stevenson.
Do you know if the plan is to keep AS on the club payroll until he gets another job; or have they put an end date on the arrangement?
Questions like this are raised regularly at each AGM with stupefyingly vague response from the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Given your obvious knowledge of the goings on at East Mains have you ever been tempted to stand and challenge 'good news' like this at such gatherings, rather than keep it for this somewhat secluded forum?
I'm very aware of that, thanks. But there is no way the playing staff are just 40% of the payroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
Conspiracy theories ha, ha, ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Handling
With a reported £250k coming in for the sale of Osbourne, would this be enough to secure the signings and services of Sandaza, Griffiths and Shiels?
I genuinely believe it would be.
Add this to the signing of Maybury And Another midfielder and we ll be ready of the start of the season. This can also be the season to put some faith in the youth. A mixture a budget and reward I hope.
I see the transfer fee as for Osbourne as bonus money so should be PF to spend.
These 3 signings would restore some faith from the walk up suppoters.
Just curious as not read much last couple of days but is the 250k you mention true? I would have guessed somewhere in the 75-100k region.
You're in dreamland mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu
Sadly this is as real world as Disneyland..
Rod won't be writing cheques now his plan
to let the Govan Stealers in Div.1 has folded
faster than Superman on laundry day.
You have us signing 5 players a few days after Fenlon came out saying that a strikers priority, and hes unsure whether he will even be able to sign Maybury? He also said that the money from Osbourne will hopefully let him bring in another player. I like what you have suggested but we, along with everyone else in the SPL, just cant manage that sort of thing anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu
Sky Sports believes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jodjam
Link
This is where I'm coming from. The fee is much higher than I would have thought.
More money, more players.
Holy ****...Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu
Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!
Rod voted against Sevco, and Scott Lindsay deals with the transfers, but apart from that your post is spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumner
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Originally Posted by Sumner
I really don't think so. :bitchy:
Unlike a lot of the fans who were calling for Sevco to be put into Div Three (I was one of them, btw) RP had done the sums and knew what the cost to Hib and the rest of the SPL was likely to be. But as far as I'm aware, he voted for Sevco to be barred from the SPL which, since he hasn't a vote in any meeting of SFL chairmen, was as much as he could do.
He's a first team regular that will have to be replaced if/when he's sold. Blackpool obviously rate him so, within reason, Hibs hold all the cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
They've got as much of a clue about the fee as you and me - none. It's a total guess and does Hibs no favours as it will be adopted as gospel by many (like Riordans 20k a week wage in China) and we've now got someone that reckons we should sign shiels, sandaza and griffiths!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
Holy **** indeed.
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Originally Posted by easty
Probably because he'll thrive in English footie, compared to the 100mph football we have here, more time on the ball = better football played.
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Originally Posted by Doddie
Not being funny but i must be the only one who cant see what booth has thats so amazing? Dont get me worng i like seeing our youth players come thorough the ranks and excel in the team but booth to me has never done any of the things I keep hearing. - except for one goal, a brilliant goal at that, but nothing else.
He cant tackle and doesnt have a great positional sense to play left back.
Left midfield people keep telling me he would be better at but I have yet to see him beat a man or even have a qucik turn of pace youd expect form a winger. The only thing ive ever seen him do is run at a player then cut inside onto his right foot where he then has to pass to one of the CM's. His pace looks nothing out of the ordinary, infact sometimes he seems to run on treacle
I hope im wrong and am not seeing what everyone else is but for me I dont see anything in there, and I know he was fit for good parts of last season under Fenlon and failed to make the bench so I dont think im alone in this view.
That will be why he hardly ever got a game for Villa and bumped around a few lower division teams on loan?Quote:
Originally Posted by jc1
Although I am a shareholder I haven't attended an AGM for many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Handling
I never changed my address when I moved house in 2002 so I don't get Annual report and bumff that goes with it.
I must do so actually and start going back to AGMs.
Not sure if I would stand up and challenge them on it as they don't like people challenging them with info they are not meant to have.
Would depend on how I felt on the night.
Don't honestly know.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
AS was in a strange situation. He was employed by HTC as opposed to HFC. The idea being that if a management team at HFC was removed (Hughes / Rice / CC etc) then HTC employees would avoid the cull.
However I believe CC "promoted" him to HFC and therefore he bit the dust.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17608735
Available on a free from Burnley
Looked a great prospect at Hamilton, 6ft 3 with a fair bit of pace about him, also covered CB at times...
We currently have Booth, Kujabi & Hanlon all available to play at left back, and McPake, Hanlon, O'hanlon, Stephens & Clancy all able to play at CB.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Upper Pie
it's Right back cover (suppose wotherspoon could play there if the poop hit the fan), midfielders and strikers we are really crying out for.
Clancy and Maybury both played RB at East Fife on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbykeith
wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Upper Pie
Isn't getting any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lupo
yeah, but maybury is not a hibs player yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Handling
@AgentScotland: Gary Kenneth has attracted interest from both Aberdeen and Hibs, he wants to go to England but offers are scarce so SPL now showing interest
Mcpake and Kenneth at centre back, hanlon at left back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mainboy19
He's training with Dundee at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by Mainboy19