The generic Hearts thread

Sounds like the only reason the top league isn’t being decided on just now is UEFA.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Suspect the reason they're dealing with the Prem differently is to allow them to come to their own inevitable conclusion through discussion ..

Option 1 - Wait for what could be months until games are allowed again, with no financial payout from the SFA/SPFL, running the real risk some clubs going bust (incl Hearts & Sevco)... only to end up with the same likely outcome - Celtic win the league, and Hearts get relegated. That could be extremely costly to many Prem clubs, just to give Hearts and Sevco a straw to clutch to.

Option 2 - Hearts and Sevco accept the inevitable, lifeline payouts are made to all clubs, tell UEFA to STFU and get on with planning for next season, selling season tickets etc. Hearts might be offered some money to take their medicine and avoid any costly legal challenge. This is probably the best that Budge can expect at this point and I suspect she'll accept it and sell it as some kind of moral victory to Hearts fans.

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Is it because they are scared of angry Huns, as usual?

The SPL are simply waiting for UEAFA too come to their senses and accept the season is over . Probably still have two weeks 1st of May before player contracts cause major problems so SPL can wait.
Accept what Championship League 1/2 have asked for and pay out now prize money too keep them going

All SPL have to do in two weeks is say Hearts down ........Four points adrift . Partick and play off teams are unfortunate .

Oh happy days 👍

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Is it because they are scared of angry Huns, as usual?

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Nah even they seem to have concluded the season is done doing up their pitch.

The net is closing on Hearts. What the SPFL have cleverly in my opinion done is said, ok all clubs you have two choices: 1. Void season or 2. call it as it is. And while the premier league clubs also vote, the outcome of this cannot be confirmed until SPFL have spoken and advised UEFA (remember the point made by president that he didn’t want to hear about it in the press).

All 42 clubs getting a vote. Only teams impacted significantly will vote to void it - Rangers (bitterness), Hearts and Patrick. Maybe one or two more. 90%+ will vote to call it given other option commercial suicide.

Then we will see Dundee United promoted, no play off and Patrick down and same approach for league 1 and 2. For Premier League - Celtic champions, Hearts relegated and confirmed ONLY ONCE discussed with UEFA - so might be a couple of weeks.

Hearts are 99% down.

Do Brechin stay up? That’s what I heard recently.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.

It's a long way down this page....

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-fo...tention-scheme

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Looking at that CWG it states "A furloughed employee can take part in volunteer work, if it does not provide services to or generate revenue for, or on behalf of your organisation"

I have a vested interest in this, as a voluntary treasurer of a charity that is planning to continue paying full salaries to our small number of staff and furloughing them to recoup 80% of our costs. There might be some small opportunities for some staff to volunteer, but my reading of what I saw previously on that page suggested they couldn't. What could they do that is not providing a "service" to the organisation?

The penny is even starting to drop over on kickback...

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Originally Posted by Col2

The net is closing on Hearts. What the SPFL have cleverly in my opinion done is said, ok all clubs you have two choices: 1. Void season or 2. call it as it is. And while the premier league clubs also vote, the outcome of this cannot be confirmed until SPFL have spoken and advised UEFA (remember the point made by president that he didn’t want to hear about it in the press).

All 42 clubs getting a vote. Only teams impacted significantly will vote to void it - Rangers (bitterness), Hearts and Patrick. Maybe one or two more. 90%+ will vote to call it given other option commercial suicide.

Then we will see Dundee United promoted, no play off and Patrick down and same approach for league 1 and 2. For Premier League - Celtic champions, Hearts relegated and confirmed ONLY ONCE discussed with UEFA - so might be a couple of weeks.

Hearts are 99% down.

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Don't t disagree with anything apart from in sure UEFA said what happens with individual countries leugues is their decision.
Yes the are fronting up about European cups but if as expected we finish the leuges as they are then I doubt it will be a problem.

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So this is what’s happening with the Premiership..

“The resolution also recommends that matches in the Ladbrokes Premiership remain postponed for the time being, to give the best possible opportunity for the remaining 2019/20 fixtures to be played.
However, if the SPFL Board determines that the remaining Premiership matches cannot be played, the Ladbrokes Premiership would also be terminated, with final season placings determined on the same basis.”

Seriously? There is clearly no chance fixtures will be played. Placings being decided on a points per game basis in the lower leagues. They are apparently trying to figure out any possible way to complete the top league games before calling it.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

So this is what’s happening with the Premiership..

“The resolution also recommends that matches in the Ladbrokes Premiership remain postponed for the time being, to give the best possible opportunity for the remaining 2019/20 fixtures to be played.
However, if the SPFL Board determines that the remaining Premiership matches cannot be played, the Ladbrokes Premiership would also be terminated, with final season placings determined on the same basis.”

Seriously? There is clearly no chance fixtures will be played. Placings being decided on a points per game basis in the lower leagues. They are apparently trying to figure out any possible way to complete the top league games before calling it.

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To be fair I think they are covering all bases by doing that.
They can now go to uefa and say government have us in lock down. Can we finish the season with our teams qualifying for Europe?
Going to be really annoying when we win the cup again and don't get into Europe.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Do Brechin stay up? That’s what I heard recently.

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They stay up.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

So this is what’s happening with the Premiership..

“The resolution also recommends that matches in the Ladbrokes Premiership remain postponed for the time being, to give the best possible opportunity for the remaining 2019/20 fixtures to be played.
However, if the SPFL Board determines that the remaining Premiership matches cannot be played, the Ladbrokes Premiership would also be terminated, with final season placings determined on the same basis.”

Seriously? There is clearly no chance fixtures will be played. Placings being decided on a points per game basis in the lower leagues. They are apparently trying to figure out any possible way to complete the top league games before calling it.

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I think they are really just hoping UEFA come to their senses and there is no longer a threat to the European places before calling it

As others have said Rangers are digging up their pitch, think it's safe to say they know the season is done

Looking at Scotland’s 4 leagues the picture is actually pretty clear cut.

Assuming average points as a basis to square off the mis-match in games played, no team in League winning or automatic relegation spots change position.

Sellick, Dundee Utd and Cove are miles ahead (even the most idiotic hun can’t really think sellick will lose at least 4, half of their remaining games, when they’ve lost just 2 all season so far).

Of the relegation spots, only herts and Partick could claim to be ‘in the mix’, but both have been bottom for ages so it’s hardly nip n’ tuck.

Those in the play-offs will be narked, but there’s no guarantee here and the set-up is weighted against them. Net/net, they’d be arguing for ifs, but’s and maybe’s.

In summary, herts are toast.

Good. 😊

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Originally Posted by ElginHibbie

As others have said Rangers are digging up their pitch, think it's safe to say they know the season is done

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They don’t want the season to finish cos they know they can’t win it. The only option they’ll support is to void the season.

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Originally Posted by Hibernianinc

Looking at Scotland’s 4 leagues the picture is actually pretty clear cut.

Assuming average points as a basis to square off the mis-match in games played, no team in League winning or automatic relegation spots change position.

Sellick, Dundee Utd and Cove are miles ahead (even the most idiotic hun can’t really think sellick will lose at least 4, half of their remaining games, when they’ve lost just 2 all season so far).

Of the relegation spots, only herts and Partick could claim to be ‘in the mix’, but both have been bottom for ages so it’s hardly nip n’ tuck.

Those in the play-offs will be narked, but there’s no guarantee here and the set-up is weighted against them. Net/net, they’d be arguing for ifs, but’s and maybe’s.

In summary, herts are toast.

Good. 😊

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Agreed - although the worst impact is on Partick: 1 point behind with a game in hand. Has to be average points to make it fairer.

Also a bit tight on Falkirk.

If the resolution is approved, the SPFL has also committed to consulting with Clubs over the possibility of League restructuring ahead of Season 2020/21.

From the SPFL statement

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

They don’t want the season to finish cos they know they can’t win it. The only option they’ll support is to void the season.

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It will be an extraordinarily vote where 2 against 10 won’t have a chance of winning. Hearts only chance of staying up is league reconstruction- why would clubs in the top league want less old firm cash and why would clubs in the championship vote to say cheerio to Dundee Utd and Inverness and be happy with no Hearts going down when they will be desperate for money?

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Originally Posted by munchar

Is it a majority vote? Not very fair that Patrick have a winnable game in hand to keep them up. Can’t believe that wouldn’t come into the argumen?

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There will be clubs that aren’t happy with the majority outcome but that’s the reality of the situation unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Blaster

If the resolution is approved, the SPFL has also committed to consulting with Clubs over the possibility of League restructuring ahead of Season 2020/21.

From the SPFL statement

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Which will be turned down but at least it’s lip service to Partick and the Lowland/highland teams.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Which will be turned down but at least it’s lip service to Partick and the Lowland/highland teams.

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I hope you are right 👍

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

They don’t want the season to finish cos they know they can’t win it. The only option they’ll support is to void the season.

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Voiding not an option according to reports, so they will just have to deal with claiming Celtic only have 8 and a half in a row

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Originally Posted by Del Boy

The penny is even starting to drop over on kickback...

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They've still got a penny? Bloomin' benefactors, always bailing them out.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Suspect the reason they're dealing with the Prem differently is to allow them to come to their own inevitable conclusion through discussion ..

Option 1 - Wait for what could be months until games are allowed again, with no financial payout from the SFA/SPFL, running the real risk some clubs going bust (incl Hearts & Sevco)... only to end up with the same likely outcome - Celtic win the league, and Hearts get relegated. That could be extremely costly to many Prem clubs, just to give Hearts and Sevco a straw to clutch to.

Option 2 - Hearts and Sevco accept the inevitable, lifeline payouts are made to all clubs, tell UEFA to STFU and get on with planning for next season, selling season tickets etc. Hearts might be offered some money to take their medicine and avoid any costly legal challenge. This is probably the best that Budge can expect at this point and I suspect she'll accept it and sell it as some kind of moral victory to Hearts fans.

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Budge will sell it as they have been unfairly treated even though they won't have been.

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Originally Posted by PatHead

To be fair I think they are covering all bases by doing that.
They can now go to uefa and say government have us in lock down. Can we finish the season with our teams qualifying for Europe?
Going to be really annoying when we win the cup again and don't get into Europe.

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I would settle for that.

So, that will be Hearts all but relegated :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Liking the empty offer of league reconstruction as well.

Jambos Kickback will be a hoot these next couple of days. :na na:

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Budge will sell it as they have been unfairly treated even though they won't have been.

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That's what annoys me - they'll forever say they were cheated into relegation, despite being the worst team in the league for the last year.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Budge will sell it as they have been unfairly treated even though they won't have been.

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That's it in a nutshell, although her nutshell will be 1600 words whereas you only took 16.

Y'know.

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Originally Posted by The Spaceman

So, that will be Hearts all but relegated :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Liking the empty offer of league reconstruction as well.

Jambos Kickback will be a hoot these next couple of days. :na na:

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Hoping reconstruction is an empty offer and not an attempt for some dodgy deal to save them.