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17-07-2019, 07:15 PM
04Sauzee

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Originally Posted by AlbertK86

I reckon it will be 4-2-3-1

With Mallan and Vela sitting with Allan ahead of them at no 10.

However expect it to get mixed up dependant on who we are playing

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I reckon the 4-3-3 will also be more of a 4-2-3-1
17-07-2019, 07:33 PM
Speedway

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Careful now. You’re almost sounding positive.

I’m positive that I’d like nothing more than the manager and players to prove me completely wrong and that we see silverware and Euro qualification at ER this season.
17-07-2019, 07:40 PM
mjhibby

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

Indeed. Hecky must be looking at another striker as we can't go into the season with just two main strikers. Plus of course a CDM. If we can get two quality players for those two positions then I'd be happy. Boyle and Allan aren't bear match sharp yet so when they are they will add greatly to the team. I trust heckys judgement. So much doom and gloom on here it's unreal. After one glorified friendly. Be glad when the league season kicks off.

And right on cue Hecky does it again. Even some on keekback have admitted he's a very good signing. Just the striker now. When we least expect it of course.
17-07-2019, 08:04 PM
Stuart93

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Originally Posted by Speedway

I’m positive that I’d like nothing more than the manager and players to prove me completely wrong and that we see silverware and Euro qualification at ER this season.

To be fair, silverware is a massive ask especially with the rangers looking the strongest they have since they’ve been back

I’d be happy with a cup run
17-07-2019, 08:06 PM
PatHead

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

To be fair, silverware is a massive ask especially with the rangers looking the strongest they have since they’ve been back

I’d be happy with a cup run

They can't come back they died.
17-07-2019, 08:08 PM
Stuart93

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Originally Posted by PatHead

They can't come back they died.

When the old rangers died and a new company was set up that have absolutely no affiliation to the company that used to exist
17-07-2019, 08:11 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

I reckon the 4-3-3 will also be more of a 4-2-3-1

The thing about the new systems most teams use is they are very versatile, they can go from attacking shape to defensive pretty quickly, you need fit energetic players to play them but as we've seen with Barca, Man C, Liverpool etc when you get the right players it can be very very good.
17-07-2019, 08:30 PM
nellio

Delighted with Vela. Cardiff were looking at him for a while. A fantastic signing.:flag:
17-07-2019, 09:33 PM
brog

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Originally Posted by HibbyAndy

Fantastic call guys , Well done :aok:

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I’d really like to see someone compete with Mallan for his position.

He’s got ability and we’d miss his set pieces but he’s not consistent enough from open play for me. That’s not to say he can’t be a useful squad player and he has the ability to win his place back throughout the season but I just think someone like Omeonga would be an instant improvement on him right now.

Yep because Omeonga with his 1 assist is much better than Mallan with his double figures goals & assists.
17-07-2019, 09:39 PM
Souter96Mac

Pleased with Vela's signing, sounds exactly what we need. If, and it's a big if, we can get McNulty and Omeonga in this window, it would be some summer. I imagine Kamberi will probably leave, to help make way for those two.

I would still like cover out wide, possibly a loanee as backup.
17-07-2019, 09:41 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by brog

Yep because Omeonga with his 1 assist is much better than Mallan with his double figures goals & assists.

How did Aberdeen and Killie manage to survive without a midfielder with these stats?

You’re judging him on his stats but there’s more to football than stats. Mallan is a very good technical football player but from open play he’s not as good as his stats suggest.

That goal against Livingston showed what a good player he can be, he didn’t do that anywhere nearly enough from open play for me though, if he can add that to his game then great.

Do you think Mallan would have got his game for Killie or Aberdeen last season? Personally speaking I don’t think he would have.
17-07-2019, 09:42 PM
04Sauzee

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Originally Posted by Souter96Mac

Pleased with Vela's signing, sounds exactly what we need. If, and it's a big if, we can get McNulty and Omeonga in this window, it would be some summer. I imagine Kamberi will probably leave, to help make way for those two.

I would still like cover out wide, possibly a loanee as backup.

Read somwhere today Llyod Isgrove but I think that was an old rumour, played for Barnsley so I think it's probably a lazy guess
17-07-2019, 09:45 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by bingo70

How did Aberdeen and Killie manage to survive without a midfielder with these stats?

You’re judging him on his stats but there’s more to football than stats. Mallan is a very good technical football player but from open play he’s not as good as his stats suggest.

That goal against Livingston showed what a good player he can be, he didn’t do that anywhere nearly enough from open play for me though, if he can add that to his game then great.

Do you think Mallan would have got his game for Killie or Aberdeen last season? Personally speaking I don’t think he would have.

Mallan would have got a game in that Killie team, in his proper position, with Dicker and Power doing the things he isn’t very good at and him doing what they can’t. IMO of course.
17-07-2019, 09:51 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Mallan would have got a game in that Killie team, in his proper position, with Dicker and Power doing the things he isn’t very good at and him doing what they can’t. IMO of course.

Fair play but I’m not so sure.

Killie players were all disciplined, I’m not convinced Mallan was/is, I think he tends to float about a bit and relies on his abilities to strike a ball from distance to hide the flaws in his game.

Time will tell next season but I’m not sure Mallan will start as many games next season as he did last.
17-07-2019, 09:57 PM
Eyrie

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Originally Posted by PatHead

They can't come back they died.

That's what zombies do.
17-07-2019, 10:01 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Fair play but I’m not so sure.

Killie players were all disciplined, I’m not convinced Mallan was/is, I think he tends to float about a bit and relies on his abilities to strike a ball from distance to hide the flaws in his game.

Time will tell next season but I’m not sure Mallan will start as many games next season as he did last.

Thing is, there were too many games when we didn’t play him in a position where we could make the most of those attributes.

Waste of a jersey playing deeper. On the open play thing, most of his goals were from open play but he needs to be in the right part of the pitch to do it.

If he was to find himself out of the team it’s a lot of goals/assists to replace. For that reason, I think we need to find a way to get the best out of him.
17-07-2019, 10:01 PM
Hibee Mac

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Fair play but I’m not so sure.

Killie players were all disciplined, I’m not convinced Mallan was/is, I think he tends to float about a bit and relies on his abilities to strike a ball from distance to hide the flaws in his game.

Time will tell next season but I’m not sure Mallan will start as many games next season as he did last.

I couldn't agree more that he needs competition for his spot. I've probably done this point to death but it should be Allan/Mallan fighting it out for one spot in our midfield.

Like you say there is far more to a footballer than his goal/assist tally.
17-07-2019, 10:03 PM
we are hibs

Omeonga is a better footballer than Mallan.
17-07-2019, 10:11 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Thing is, there were too many games when we didn’t play him in a position where we could make the most of those attributes.

Waste of a jersey playing deeper. On the open play thing, most of his goals were from open play but he needs to be in the right part of the pitch to do it.

If he was to find himself out of the team it’s a lot of goals/assists to replace. For that reason, I think we need to find a way to get the best out of him.

I think when he plays more advance he can’t deal with the lack of space. He gets a bit over crowded. I think Scott Allan has the same problem.

Playing a bit deeper allows them to pick up the ball in space.
17-07-2019, 10:11 PM
S4uzee

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

Omeonga is a better footballer than Mallan.

Who contributed more last season?
17-07-2019, 10:14 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by S4uzee

Who contributed more last season?

Define contribution?

If it’s based purely on stats such as goals and assists then you could basically judge a footballer by a spreadsheet.

I think our form improved dramatically and we looked a better side when Omeonga came into the team.
17-07-2019, 10:21 PM
Torto7

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

Omeonga is a better footballer than Mallan.

Not with the ball. He's superior without it though.
17-07-2019, 10:23 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Define contribution?

If it’s based purely on stats such as goals and assists then you could basically judge a footballer by a spreadsheet.

I think our form improved dramatically and we looked a better side when Omeonga came into the team.

I think you’re right that there is more to it than just creating and scoring goals. Omeonga played a lot of games in quite advanced positions though and didn’t contribute enough in the final third, part of the reason we could hardly score a goal towards the end of the season.

The one thing with Omeonga is that I’m not quite sure what he is. I think he’s neat and tidy and probably capable of more.
17-07-2019, 10:34 PM
PH91

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Define contribution?

If it’s based purely on stats such as goals and assists then you could basically judge a footballer by a spreadsheet.

I think our form improved dramatically and we looked a better side when Omeonga came into the team.

We did. But that only makes the point that omeonga is better than hyndman.

Probably not a popular opinion but I think omeonga is a bit overrated on here. As very good as we was at some things (energy, knicking the ball in midfield) he was equally bad at others (passing longer than 5 yards, attacking threat). I would have him back as a squad player, though. And for the song.
17-07-2019, 10:41 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by PH91

We did. But that only makes the point that omeonga is better than hyndman.

Probably not a popular opinion but I think omeonga is a bit overrated on here. As very good as we was at some things (energy, knicking the ball in midfield) he was equally bad at others (passing longer than 5 yards, attacking threat). I would have him back as a squad player, though. And for the song.

I’d agree he’s over rated on here. A good player who id be happy to have back, but if he signed I doubt we’ll be selling him on for big bucks in the future.
17-07-2019, 10:43 PM
Nicho87

I like omenonga and would have back in a heart beat. Would I want hibs to pay a big transfer fee, no.

we need strikers badly.
17-07-2019, 10:45 PM
Torto7

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Originally Posted by PH91

We did. But that only makes the point that omeonga is better than hyndman.

Probably not a popular opinion but I think omeonga is a bit overrated on here. As very good as we was at some things (energy, knicking the ball in midfield) he was equally bad at others (passing longer than 5 yards, attacking threat). I would have him back as a squad player, though. And for the song.

That's how I see him too. He's a useful player to have in the squad. A guy who can play all over the midfield and bring you energy. He's excellent at closing off passing lanes something Scottish players are truly dire at. He suits certain games. The rest of his game needs work-passing length especially.

It depends on cost for me. Same as MM.
17-07-2019, 10:55 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by Nicho87

I like omenonga and would have back in a heart beat. Would I want hibs to pay a big transfer fee, no.

we need strikers badly.

I wouldn’t say we need strikers badly, although quite a lot seem to disagree.

I think we might bring one in but, even then, it might be because one leaves. With the way Heckingbottom looks like setting the team up I don’t think we’re going to carry four strikers and definitely not five.

The right balance in midfield is most important for me and we’ve then got a number of players (Allan, Mallan, Horgan, Boyle) who should be contributing at least 6-8 goals each. Kamberi getting back to form is really important though.
17-07-2019, 11:10 PM
Ozyhibby

Mallan will perform better with a better holding mid behind him.

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17-07-2019, 11:11 PM
badabing67

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I wouldn’t say we need strikers badly, although quite a lot seem to disagree.

I think we might bring one in but, even then, it might be because one leaves. With the way Heckingbottom looks like setting the team up I don’t think we’re going to carry four strikers and definitely not five.

The right balance in midfield is most important for me and we’ve then got a number of players (Allan, Mallan, Horgan, Boyle) who should be contributing at least 6-8 goals each. Kamberi getting back to form is really important though.

I think you should include Murray and Slivka in that. For me particularly Slivka. He has scored in big games but one of the things that got on my nerves about him last season was that lack of shoots he took at goal even though he did get in positions to do so

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